Anyone have any details about the redesigned XT4?

[Adeeb]

It was shown in prototype form recently at CEDIA.

Redesigned XT4

[WI Rotel]

Not a peep. From what I read elsewhere, the prototypes were self powered units and had a redesigned mid driver.

[Adeeb]

Interesting, but what would be the purpose of having them self powered? Any links?

[style]

Hi,


from a new subwoofer CM linie I have read in a Germany book's, but for a new black color is really a news.


Black piano lack will be great. (in this forum pictures see....)

Powered?? uhm.. maybe only the center...


Greetings Omar

[hifiguymi]

Interesting, but what would be the purpose of having them self powered? Any links?

It's something B&W showed at CES this year. They are not replacing the current XT models (that I know of), this will be an addition to the line.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/htib/b-w-liberty

The last time I asked my rep about them he didn't have a ship date.

Eric

[WI Rotel]

It's something B&W showed at CES this year. They are not replacing the current XT models (that I know of), this will be an addition to the line.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/htib/b-w-liberty

The last time I asked my rep about them he didn't have a ship date.

Eric

That is what I had seen too! It looks like it would be pretty cool. Probably bluetooth connections to tie everything up. The only issue that I see with something like that (certainly not an issue to most people) would be how to do 7.1, could you add more satellites? Will the wireless pre have that option? Inquiring minds want to know. I've seen no news forthcomming from BW. It certainly looks like it would be pricey since instead of one amp you're buying 5 ice modules (one per speaker). The surrounds could probably do with the 100 watt modules but what about the mains? questions, questions........
All in a box systems are very convinient (though probably all that most buyers need) but they always limit you're options significantly.

[WI Rotel]

For slightly more info google "BW liberty" which is the name of the system.

[Linki]

I have heard that there will be an addition the the XT series wich will have a FST midrange unit. It will be a passive speaker though.
Also I don't think liberty will be happening anytime soon.... they didn't show it on CEDIA and it came with a DVD player whereas I think that at that price point you need HD.

[btf1980]

they didn't show it on CEDIA and it came with a DVD player whereas I think that at that price point you need HD.

No kidding, what's the point really? I heard an arrogant dealer hawking Meridian and Mcintosh MVP players telling potential buyers the wonders of upscaling and how it was just as good as blu-ray. :roll:

[WI Rotel]

No kidding, what's the point really? I heard an arrogant dealer hawking Meridian and Mcintosh MVP players telling potential buyers the wonders of upscaling and how it was just as good as blu-ray. :roll:

Yep dealers can be full of it. Upscalling is as good as blueray "IN A STANDARD DEF TV! :rofl: "
I think one of the big issues with BD is that licensing is so high that if you were not part of the original group or a very big company you are kind of screwed. I think that is also part of the "problem" of putting DTS HD-MA in players, DTS wants an arm and a leg for the license rights, I hope that DTS gets screwed and the studios choose dolby HD more, that is another market "screwup" Dolby HD was part of the HD DVD format but not of blueray, another PITA however there are a lot more DTS MA movies than dolby HD in blueray argggh! AS far as the DTS website (checked yesterday) the only player on the market that will internally decode DTS MA is the PS3. All others can only output the signal via HDMI ver 1.3 (of the ones that can handle it at all). Unadulterated pure crap for the consumer.

[RebelMan]

AS far as the DTS website (checked yesterday) the only player on the market that will internally decode DTS MA is the PS3. All others can only output the signal via HDMI ver 1.3 (of the ones that can handle it at all).

The dts list is incomplete. There are players from Denon (3800BDCI), Panasonic (DMP-BD50K) and Sony (BDP-S550) that will decode all of the formats including dts-HD MA.

[hifiguymi]

The dts list is incomplete. There are players from Denon (3800BDCI), Panasonic (DMP-BD50K) and Sony (BDP-S550) that will decode all of the formats including dts-HD MA.

You can add the Pioneer BDP-51FD and the Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD to that list as well. The first units will not do it out of the box, but there will be a firmware update to add it in a few months.

Eric

[WI Rotel]

The dts list is incomplete. There are players from Denon (3800BDCI), Panasonic (DMP-BD50K) and Sony (BDP-S550) that will decode all of the formats including dts-HD MA.

The sony and panasonic are not released yet, interestingly, they have been in the "pipeline" for a while. The Dennon, DTS, "claims" it can only downstream??? The Dennon costs over 2K and I haven't seen it, it would be nice if someone around here that has used it would report on it.

One point I'd love to understand however, why use either DTS MA nor Dolby True HD at all?????
Double layer BD has more than enough space for a 1080p movie plus a 7.1 LPCM track at 48K!!!!!!
This fact is patently obvious with 3:10 to Yuma: full 1080p24 video plus 7.1 LPCM, (which my Sony ES will happily work with), plus bonuses (which I could care less about)!
This entire situation is STUPID!!!!!!!!

[WI Rotel]

You can add the Pioneer BDP-51FD and the Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD to that list as well. The first units will not do it out of the box, but there will be a firmware update to add it in a few months.

Eric

Again 2 more players that don't DO IT. There will probably firmware for the Sony BDP s2000ES as well (as they did for the PS3)..............SOME DAY :roll: Again, its time these companies stop screwing with us!

[Adeeb]

Hi Guys,

Can we please keep the discussion on topic? :-)

Thanks.

[hifiguymi]

The sony and panasonic are not released yet, interestingly, they have been in the "pipeline" for a while. The Dennon, DTS, "claims" it can only downstream??? The Dennon costs over 2K and I haven't seen it, it would be nice if someone around here that has used it would report on it.

One point I'd love to understand however, why use either DTS MA nor Dolby True HD at all?????
Double layer BD has more than enough space for a 1080p movie plus a 7.1 LPCM track at 48K!!!!!!
This fact is patently obvious with 3:10 to Yuma: full 1080p24 video plus 7.1 LPCM, (which my Sony ES will happily work with), plus bonuses (which I could care less about)!
This entire situation is STUPID!!!!!!!!

I can verify that both of the Denon BD players will bitstream all audio codecs and that the player will decode all audio codecs. I have both of them on display and they function as advertised.

The movie studios use those codecs because of extras I would guess. I wouldn't doubt that money has a little to do with it as well. It wouldn't suprise me if the encoders are sold at a fraction of their cost, if not given, to the movie studios so those companies are names are everywhere. On BD players, receivers, preamps, etc. I maybe wrong though.

Eric

[RebelMan]

The sony and panasonic are not released yet, interestingly, they have been in the "pipeline" for a while. The Dennon, DTS, "claims" it can only downstream??? The Dennon costs over 2K and I haven't seen it, it would be nice if someone around here that has used it would report on it.

Only the Sony has yet to be released and they planned it for Fall since CES. As I said the Denon decodes em all.

One point I'd love to understand however, why use either DTS MA nor Dolby True HD at all?????
Double layer BD has more than enough space for a 1080p movie plus a 7.1 LPCM track at 48K!!!!!!

Just because it can hold the data doesn't imply that it should. Efficiency in all forms is encouraged.

This entire situation is STUPID!!!!!!!!

Not really, but it can be frustrating to see history repeat itself and early adopters have come to expect this. I suggest you wait it out if it bothers you that much.

[WI Rotel]

[Not really, but it can be frustrating to see history repeat itself and early adopters have come to expect this. I suggest you wait it out if it bothers you that much.[/QUOTE]

I should have, but once HDDVD died (I had the Xbox player and my Quosmio computer has one too) I went out for the BDP 2000 ES! The player is flawless otherwise, the video is second to none and the audio is fabulous (the loading waiting has been mostly fixed by updates). What irritated the hell out of me is that though they trumpeted DTS HD decoding, they slighted the fact that HD MA was not included :evil: only HD HR for which I haven't found a single movie! Thus after spending, 2000 bucks for a 1069 and 1200 bucks for the player (part of the whole HDMI transformation to go with my Elite plasma, another 5K!), I'm still not guaranteed that I'll be able to play all formats. Personally, I think that's real BS!

Sorry for the off topic diatribe :M

[WI Rotel]

Not really, but it can be frustrating to see history repeat itself and early adopters have come to expect this. I suggest you wait it out if it bothers you that much.[/QUOTE]

You can say that again!
Blue ray won the format war but its a mess. HDDVD had the High rez formats as part of the format not optional like blueray!