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  • amdan
    Member
    • Sep 2006
    • 72

    #1

    Rack between speakers

    Anybody know if placing the equipment rack between the speakers causes problems? I have a pair of 802Ns and have them 7.5 feet apart. I have a feeling that the soundstage is not as good as it should be. The rack sits between the speakers.
  • Kal Rubinson
    Super Senior Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 2109

    #2
    It can't help.

    Kal
    Kal Rubinson
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    • audioqueso
      Super Senior Member
      • Nov 2004
      • 1933

      #3
      It will lessen your soundstage having any large solid object in between. Try to move the speakers a bit in front of the rack to lessen the effects of the rack.
      B&W 804S/Velodyne SPL-1000R/Anthem MRX720

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      • chinets
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2005
        • 855

        #4
        Yes, try and move your speaker forwards, and that should help, but IMO I don't think a rack would change the sound stage that much. I have a center speaker in a cabinet between both front speakers, and my sound stage is wonderful ,so I can't comment on your set up. Have you also tried to Toe in the speakers a bit ,and try and move them forward and experiment.

        Curious here so keep us in the loop?
        Cheers

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        • amdan
          Member
          • Sep 2006
          • 72

          #5
          I have moved the equipment rack behind the speakers. It has made a small difference to the soundstage for the better.

          I did discover that if you put the equipment rack to one side of middle, the soundstage will follow the rack.

          I also can confirm that the depth of the soundstage moved back with the rack.

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          • D-bucket
            Member
            • Jun 2005
            • 50

            #6
            Originally posted by amdan
            ...I also can confirm that the depth of the soundstage moved back with the rack.
            Are you saying that the depth of the soundstage increased or decreased as you moved your equipment rack back?

            In my ht, I noticed a significant improvement in SQ when I moved all 3 LCR speakers in front of the tv stand used to house my av equipment. Before the L&R speakers were in a plane even with the front edge of the tv stand with the center on a open shelf inside the tv stand. Now the trio sits in a plane with their back edges completely in front of the tv stand by several inches with the center speaker now on its own dedicated stand. The improvement to me is very noticeable.

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            • akhter
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2005
              • 266

              #7
              Originally posted by amdan
              Anybody know if placing the equipment rack between the speakers causes problems? I have a pair of 802Ns and have them 7.5 feet apart. I have a feeling that the soundstage is not as good as it should be. The rack sits between the speakers.
              I noticed having any large object in the forward of the tweeters tends to ruin the soundstage. Try moving you speakers a bit forward so that the plane between the tweeters is well ahead of the rack.

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              • amdan
                Member
                • Sep 2006
                • 72

                #8
                Originally posted by D-bucket
                Are you saying that the depth of the soundstage increased or decreased as you moved your equipment rack back?

                In my ht, I noticed a significant improvement in SQ when I moved all 3 LCR speakers in front of the tv stand used to house my av equipment. Before the L&R speakers were in a plane even with the front edge of the tv stand with the center on a open shelf inside the tv stand. Now the trio sits in a plane with their back edges completely in front of the tv stand by several inches with the center speaker now on its own dedicated stand. The improvement to me is very noticeable.
                The depth increased when I moved the rack back. I have a window with curtains behind the system. When I open the curtains the depth perception of the soundstage is much better. It seems like the depth of the sound stage is defined by where the front wall reflection emanates.

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                • RobP
                  Ultra Senior Member
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 4747

                  #9
                  Amdan, have you tried any treatments on your front wall to deal with reflections?
                  Robert P. 8)

                  AKA "Soundgravy"

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                  • amdan
                    Member
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 72

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Soundgravy
                    Amdan, have you tried any treatments on your front wall to deal with reflections?
                    The front wall is covered with thick curtains.

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                    • Jesse111
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 335

                      #11
                      For me I think it's more of a matter of illusion and mind games. I keep my wall clear which allows me to imagine the stage without visual obstruction. In my mind, it's better. Whether or not it's a measured differnence I'd never know for sure because I'm determined not to like it before I even hear it if I'm visually distracted. Closing my eyes helps but is not practical. But if my wall is not clear of visual distractions then my enjoyment of the stage presentation is hindered in my mind. I can't have it any other way.
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                      • Race Car Driver
                        Super Senior Member
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 1540

                        #12
                        Oh how badly I would love to have a pair of 800s





                        (and the room to go with them)
                        B&W

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                        • Briz vegas
                          Super Senior Member
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 1199

                          #13
                          Hifi listening party at Jesse111s place. First game is called 'how many hifi nuts can we squeeze into the sweet spot".

                          Akhter has the right idea with the low rack. I try and keep my gear as low as possible as well - my centre speaker only goes in if I am watching a movie.

                          Amdan - it may also be your source, other components, where you sit, or the room as previously suggested - why is nothing ever simple when trying to tweek a hifi system.
                          Mac 8gb SSD Audirvana ->Weiss INT202 firewire interface ->Naim DAC & XPS2 DR->Conrad Johnson CT5 & LP70S-> Vivid B1s. Nordost Valhalla cables & resonance management. (Still waiting for Paul Hynes PS:M)
                          Siamese :evil: :twisted:

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                          • Jesse111
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 335

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Briz vegas
                            Hifi listening party at Jesse111s place. First game is called 'how many hifi nuts can we squeeze into the sweet spot".

                            Not many but sounds like fun trying. Sweet spot is about 8 inches either side of my head but let me tell you when you're in that spot... it is absorbing, and simply astonishing. I can listen to music for hours. No time limit. Real music. Ghost like imaging. No fatigue. Just ear honey and mind illusion for as long as necessary.

                            C'mon over. Drinks on the house. :T

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                            • EastCoaster
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 183

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jesse111
                              Not many but sounds like fun trying. Sweet spot is about 8 inches either side of my head but let me tell you when you're in that spot... it is absorbing, and simply astonishing. I can listen to music for hours. No time limit. Real music. Ghost like imaging. No fatigue. Just ear honey and mind illusion for as long as necessary.

                              C'mon over. Drinks on the house. :T

                              You have 8 inches? I'm getting "sweet spot envy" here... :B I only have about 4...

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                              • amdan
                                Member
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 72

                                #16
                                Originally posted by EastCoaster
                                You have 8 inches? I'm getting "sweet spot envy" here... :B I only have about 4...
                                On the assumption that we are still talking about hifi here , my sweet spot is at one position i.e. 0 inches to either side.

                                Do you guys have much in the way of room treatments? Is that why you have such a 'large' sweet spot?

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                                • chinets
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Jun 2005
                                  • 855

                                  #17
                                  Size isn't everything guys: It isn't the size of the ship, but the motion in the ocean!! :rofl:
                                  For most, 6 Inches is more than average :E Mine was 12 Inches the last time I looked or rather heard :jawdrop:
                                  The only sweet spot I know is: :boobies: :demon:

                                  Cheers

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                                  • Jesse111
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Jul 2005
                                    • 335

                                    #18
                                    I feel the need to revisit and clarify.

                                    At the most critical listening my sweet spot technically has virtually no movement. However, by moving my head 8 inches from one side to the other, I"m able to maintain a relatively accurate soundstage. But I would agree that the ultimate accuracy is little more than an inch or two of latteral movement.

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