Monster Cable copies B&W

[audioqueso]

OMG, I HATE THIS COMPANY!!!!
They sue half the world because these companies copied Monster, yet Monster Cable is making a speaker that is blatetenly copying B&Ws 800 series.

http://www.monstercable.com/thx/productPageTHX.asp?pin=2152&LastPage=Monster%20THX%20Speakers

I hate this company so bad.
B&W should sue them for copying the tweeter on top of the cabinet design. I wonder if they have that patented.

[tdiciple]

Precisely.

Let us all gather up and email B&W then. I am extremely unhappy with the way Monster behave. How can they crush small company for using monster word. Is monster word patented???

Let's hope that B&W sue Monster and that will be the end of Monster company.

[gostan]

Do you really care about this that much??

After all, good looks can always be very deceiving. The Monster look alike may sound like an old Realistic Radio Shack brand speaker. Or it may be great.

In either case, the entire way of the world today is to copy copy copy. Originality barely exists. How many reissued movies such as Lethal Weapon V of CSI Dubuque do we really need.

[greggz]

Actually B&W has sued and won for copying their "look". I think the term was "infringement on trade style". I believe Warfdale was one of those sued. I think they may have also gone after the Diva Swans too.

[RebelMan]

OMG, I HATE THIS COMPANY!!!!

Dude! This may sound lke a silly question. If you don't like the company what are you doing on their site??? :roll:

:lol:

[Lex]

Actually I am pretty certain B & W does have a patent for the tweeter mount on top, but I am sure there are certain guidelines that must be met to be infringing, perhaps not the total concept, I don't know.

Another patent I am aware of:
Sonus faber has a patent on the lute design cabinet.

[dan87951]

SPeaker kinda resembles a Nautilus 805... kevlar woofer, tweeter on top.. hmm

[george_k]

They even copied the location of the port (granted that it probably makes more sense acoustically to place it in front), it looks like an 805 knockoff.

I guess when you can charge a hefty premium for cables you can afford to go into the power conditioning, amplifer and speaker business.

[aphexist]

They even copied the location of the port (granted that it probably makes more sense acoustically to place it in front), it looks like an 805 knockoff.

Imagine that, a front-ported bookshelf speaker.

I'm no B&W fanboy, but there are a few major differences between the Monster offering and the B&W 805. The Monster speaker is ugly, but remember that it is $1500 cheaper. I haven't heard it, but it IS THX certified, so chances are that it sounds much better.

Now that I think of it, none of B&Ws speakers are THX...the company had better step up to the plate and get that THX technology if they want to keep up with Bose and Monster speakers.

[RobP]

THX is just a nice marketing stamp not a technology, It started out with great intentions in cinema market, it was a whole room concept, the room had to built to THX specs, dimensions, acoustical treatment, the house curve etc.... but when it entered the home market I think it lost some of its validity, yes the equipment meets THX testing standards, but once you get it in your non-THX approved living room, does it matter? No. Its funny that Lucasfilm uses B&W in the mixing room which would far exceed his standards, but yet we dont see a THX approved logo on them do we? I think that right there says alot.
As far as B&W keeping up with Monster and Blows, oops I mean Bose, I am sure that if B&W was a marketing company they would would have no problem, but I think that they are too busy putting their money into building great sounding speakers. Not ads on QVC.

[Herbonbay]

:rofl: :rofl: Me thinks that Mr. Aphexist is attempting to start a riot in B&W club. Keeping up with Bose and Monster indeed! I for one will not be biting! I will however mention that B&Ws, while not THX certified, are the speaker that are used in Lucas Studios.

[Lex]

I think Aphexist was putting a nice hex on them with a bit of fasciscist comments there. ( I know I butchered that word's spelling)

True THX Speaker certification originally meant at least bi-polar, if not di-polar sound. I think it was di-polar rears anyway. Uh help please... I forget. Now, it seems it's just brand certification that it meets some pre-defined set of standards, however low or high they may be. I don't think it means what it used to, that's for sure.

Lucus seems to have lowered their standards on that or such or changed them at the least.

[RobP]

Actually I am pretty certain B & W does have a patent for the tweeter mount on top, but I am sure there are certain guidelines that must be met to be infringing, perhaps not the total concept, I don't know.

Another patent I am aware of:
Sonus faber has a patent on the lute design cabinet.

Lex, this type of thing happens all of the time, they get away with it by changing the design just enough to get by with it. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen this happen in the Cinema market.
We would get new speaker systems in for testing from a manufactuer, and within one week, reps from a competitor would show up shaking hands, buying lunches and snapping photos, within a month or so, bam, their version of it would show up at our dock doors. It is unreal how they get away with it.

[RebelMan]

I am going to add fuel to the fire.... :hb

Do you suppose that it could be a rebranded B&W concept monitor? :twisted:

[audioqueso]

I am going to add fuel to the fire.... :hb

Do you suppose that it could be a rebranded B&W concept monitor? :twisted:

You should be banned for that. lol
And I found the link from surfing around the web today. I didn't actually surf around Monster's website.

You know, I could care less if the speaker is good. I could care less if it is wonderful. It's not the Monster products that I hate, it's the company's principals. They're practices are just.... I'm gonna buy that company someday and fire every one in the marketing and financial department.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
lol

[Race Car Driver]

I swore I saw other manufacturers with the tweeter on top as I was strolling through the local Ultimate Electronics..
Maybe it was a set of Klipsch?
I dunno..

[dan87951]

Are you serious my B&W's dont have THX technology? :E Time to sell them..

:rofl:

on a serious note last i heard it was just a set of rules and standards that the equipment/room had to meet.

[RobP]

How about these???

[Lex]

looks like those cover both the lute design (well, maybe) and the tweeter on top, lol.

[RebelMan]

Anybody intrested in a pair of "concept" 803's?... :lol:

Hey audioqueso, aren't your 805's due for an upgrade? :rofl:

[greggz]

I haven't heard it, but it IS THX certified, so chances are that it sounds much better.

Lucas sold THX brand to Creative Labs. Would you feel better if B&W speakers had a sticker on them that said "Soundblaster Compatible"

[DrJRapp]

How about these "Vincents"

[RobP]

Looks like KEF is getting in the game as well.

[RebelMan]

LOL. Time for all of us B&W owners to upgrade??? :lol:

BTW SG, I heard those KEF's and found the Klipsch RF7's to sound much better and I'm not even a fan of Klipsch. Proponents claim that KEF's sound good. Yeah right! I think NOT.

[Pieter]

Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery?

[bimmer528]

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc.pl?spkrmoni&1133404814&1132271485

[Ryx]

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/bizzyb/AURALERSATZ.html

Oh my, now that is what I call a copy, right down to the flow port and 800 model branding. my oh my what is the world coming to lol.

[RobP]

WOW!! Those last two pics really infringe on the B&W trademark design, Ill bet it wont be long before B&W sicks the legal hounds on them!

[MarkR]

Leave the Kefs alone!!

Soundgravy, it could be argued that Kef pioneered the 'Pod' technology they were doing it in 1977(see attachment).

Rebelman, thanx for sharing your views on Kef. I personally don't like Klipsch speakers but I respect other peoples decision to own and enjoy them.

[Kens1]

I've read some older material (magazine reviews, websites) and it seems KEF and B&W use to battle it out pretty good in the 70's and early 80's. KEF had a very loyal customer base and had a lot of glowing reviews.

[Shane Martin]

Swans still makes their tweeter on top speakers

[Claude D D]

It's funny the whole THX thing. Look what they use at Skywalker Ranch for doing "THX" mixes.(B&W 802's)

[RobP]

Yeah, and arent even THX certified. :

[RebelMan]

Rebelman, thanx for sharing your views on Kef. I personally don't like Klipsch speakers but I respect other peoples decision to own and enjoy them.

My appologies newb didn't mean to offend anyone. I guess when you expect a product that's has been well received in the "community" yet misses the mark completely is very disappointing. I felt the same way about ARCAM. I expected the FMJ series (pre/pro/pow) to excel also but for me it fell flat (literally). Nothing personal, just my opinon. Truce?

[MarkR]

Hey no problem, I was probably being a bit precious after seeing what many consider an outstanding speaker given a bad rap.

I have always thought the B&W shared a similar sound to the Kefs whereas the Klipsch was different altogether. Having said that it has been I while since I seriously demo'd any of the mentioned speakers.

I suppose I should get out more :B

[Fraise]

Now that I think of it, none of B&Ws speakers are THX...the company had better step up to the plate and get that THX technology if they want to keep up with Bose and Monster speakers.

he's got a good point. the lifestyle system clearly outperforms the 805s in overall detail and balance and for a fraction of the price. plus they're so small and cute. :P

[RobP]

:laughat: :laughat: :laughat: :roflmao: :roflmao: stop it !!! Really before I wet myself!!!!

[audioqueso]

That's not completely accurate. The DS6 (dipole speakers) from the 600 series were THX certified. Only one's I ever recall having the THX logo on it.

[Fraise]

I haven't heard it, but it IS THX certified, so chances are that it sounds much better.

To add further stupidity to your arguement, it would appear by your logic that this 7.1 speaker system should sound better than my martin logan/ classe system. Are you sure you really meant what you said?

[audioqueso]

I think he was being sarcastic.

[bimmer528]

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/bizzyb/AURALERSATZ.html

Oh my, now that is what I call a copy, right down to the flow port and 800 model branding. my oh my what is the world coming to lol.

I FOUND IT FIRST!

[Mike Gehring]

Monster Cable copy.....

Well let's all thank God that anyone that has a brain and an ear drum knows that monster cable merchandise it overpriced and crap. Their speaker wire is like cutting off the power cord to your favorite lamp in your living room and running it from your amp to your speakers.

Unfortunately people are going to Radio Shack, Best Buy, Circuit City and seeing the overpriced wire etc., and thinking that it must be better because it cost's more.

As far as them stealing the looks of the B&W's.... Let the poor saps that want to save a buck or two because the speakers look "expensive" do what they want to do. Their either tone deaf, have friends with bad advice or just have no idea what in the hell their doing.

Hey, I've mad my bad decisions buying audio equipment, If they want to do the same..... have at it.

Live and Learn... :T

[Mike Gehring]

Thx????

Hey maybe I have no sense of hearing but the difference between hearing a movie that is "THX" certified thru "THX certified" speakers and thru my B&W's,
there was no difference. And who the hell wand’s to put another penny in George Lucas's pocket anyway.

Imagine that, a front-ported bookshelf speaker.

I'm no B&W fanboy, but there are a few major differences between the Monster offering and the B&W 805. The Monster speaker is ugly, but remember that it is $1500 cheaper. I haven't heard it, but it IS THX certified, so chances are that it sounds much better.

Now that I think of it, none of B&Ws speakers are THX...the company had better step up to the plate and get that THX technology if they want to keep up with Bose and Monster speakers.

[Ryx]

I FOUND IT FIRST!

Yes you did, I just wanted to post there main page. That and add my 2 cents!

[bimmer528]

Well monster did have the best buy on some cables for like 40 dollars a pair (RCA). Or best cable in that category.

O wait i just remembered there arn't any cable companies that offer cheap priced cables except radio shacks's. Maybe someone will come out with one and price it the same as monsters so they can sue for copying thier price.


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does or has anyone actually emailed b&w and gotten a response?