Pictures of your B&W Set-up

[d52232dole]

Thanks to Shadow and Steve!

I just moved the Evo back for about an inch, and HTM2D forward for about an inch, and guess what, feel a bit more open sound, thanks Steve.

I'm looking for a pair of Krell/Nordost CAST MMF interconnect cable, since I have tried it once on my friend's similar system, and it sounded much more details.

d52232dole,

Very nice setup. Beautiful to look at and awesome sound.

I have one thought. Move the center channel out an inch or two. The Evo's will likely create a bit of a box effect on the center. Moving it forward should open the sound up a little. It will also get it closer to being on the same plane as your main speakers.

With your system, every little tweak can be noticed.



Hope this helps.

[Relentless]

Krell Evo 400 and Pre 222

Very nice. How do you like the Evo equipment?

[robercy]

Just before CES 800d Doom !

Just before the CES 2010 doom, I upgrade my center to the last HTM1D-Rose found in Brasil, and I love it...
This is really a "lying" 802D, and sound as great as...
I'm done, at least, till the next upgradetis Virus!!



I'm done, at least, till the next upgradetis Virus!!

Greattings from Brasil !

[KyaDawn]

Wow, excellent set-up, robercy! :T

What are you using for your rears?

[ninja12]

Very nice setup robercy. Are those DD-18s I see?

[robercy]

Wow, excellent set-up, robercy! :T

What are you using for your rears?

Hello KyaDawn,

My surround are 2 x DS8 and Surround Backs 2 x SCMS. Both B&W.

[robercy]

Very nice setup robercy. Are those DD-18s I see?

Hi Ninja,

Unfortunatly not. This was my BIG mistake. Those are DD-15s.

Greetings.

[ninja12]

Hi Ninja,

Unfortunatly not. This was my BIG mistake. Those are DD-15s.

Greetings.

A BIG mistake in what way?

[robercy]

A BIG mistake in what way?

I mean , not about quality, but oportunity. I could bought two DD18s by a little diference, and I didnt do it. Just this. Now is to late.

Those DD15s are awesome, amazing , bla bla ..... Good friends to 802s, and my ears.

[wettou]

I mean , not about quality, but oportunity. I could bought two DD18s by a little diference, and I didnt do it. Just this. Now is to late.

Those DD15s are awesome, amazing , bla bla ..... Good friends to 802s, and my ears.

Cool you should try different set up with the subs for better bass coverage

[Race Car Driver]

Just before the CES 2010 doom, I upgrade my center to the last HTM1D-Rose found in Brasil, and I love it...
This is really a "lying" 802D, and sound as great as...
I'm done, at least, till the next upgradetis Virus!!



I'm done, at least, till the next upgradetis Virus!!

Greattings from Brasil !

What size TV is that? Just so I can put the HTM1D into perspective.

Ive always ;x( over the HTM1D

Also, how do you like those 2 Denon pieces? Almost bought them myself back in 08.

[robercy]

Cool you should try different set up with the subs for better bass coverage

Hello ,

I have both set as Left and Right, and a Third one, a Velo CHT15, set as LFE, in the back.

I decide this setup to really have a good match to listen Stereo Music.

Greetings.

[robercy]

What size TV is that? Just so I can put the HTM1D into perspective.

Ive always ;x( over the HTM1D

Also, how do you like those 2 Denon pieces? Almost bought them myself back in 08.

Hi Christopher,

This is a Pioneer 43 pol TV.

About the AVP/POA combo, this is really a Perfection in Person. Drive both 802 and HTM1 very very well.. Tons of punch and precision.

Not so expensive as others Hi-End gears, but at the same level and powerfull as.

IMHO, Go back on time, and repair this terrible mistake :P !

Greetings.

[1oldguy]

Congrats on your new HTM1D.

[wettou]

Hello ,

I have both set as Left and Right, and a Third one, a Velo CHT15, set as LFE, in the back.

I decide this setup to really have a good match to listen Stereo Music.

Greetings.

Three subs I see I wished I could do that but w don't allow

[robercy]

Three subs I see I wished I could do that but w don't allow

That´s why I love my Wife , forever.. :P

[ShadowZA]

Congratulations on your new HTM1D, robercy! Excellent setup too. :T

[BWzes03]

@Robercy:

So you've got a 7.2 system, and front L/R and Centre are bi-amped I guess ?
To state that its a "nice" system would be an understatement :drool: :amen: :5:

[d52232dole]

Rob,
I like your new Center, of course others look awesome too. What are your other sources (player, cables...)? Do you use projector?

[robercy]

Congratulations on your new HTM1D, robercy! Excellent setup too. :T

Thanks Shadow !

[robercy]

@Robercy:

So you've got a 7.2 system, and front L/R and Centre are bi-amped I guess ?
To state that its a "nice" system would be an understatement :drool: :amen: :5:

Thanks !!

In fact i have a 7.3 System. I have a Velo CHT15 doing LFE in the back of the room. Just to POWww !! and BANGsss !!

[robercy]

Rob,
I like your new Center, of course others look awesome too. What are your other sources (player, cables...)? Do you use projector?

Thanks Dole,


I use a Denon DVD3910, a PS3 to Bluray, and a MAC mini + Plex as Media Center, and a HP EX485 as NAS.

As Projector I use a Pana PT 2000 + 106 pol screen.
All my cable are developed and maded by myself (design locked under 7 keys) !! :P

Greetings.

[Relentless]

I like how the tweeters match up. That is one sturdy rack!

[robercy]

I like how the tweeters match up. That is one sturdy rack!

I wanna very hard this match up.

Yes, it is. Indeed, I made some tweakes in the original rack to keep safe this heavy weight (90Kg).

[wettou]

I wanna very hard this match up.

Yes, it is. Indeed, I made some tweakes in the original rack to keep safe this heavy weight (90Kg).

You should have tried 3 802Ds and move the rack to the side, still looks nice :T

[Hammie]

I finally took some pics of my rear surrounds installed.

The wife PREFERS them with the grills off.

[wettou]

I finally took some pics of my rear surrounds installed.

The wife PREFERS them with the grills off.

Very nice clean look and stylish, way to go. How big is your room it looks like it is 12 x 10 ?

[Hammie]

Very nice clean look and stylish, way to go. How big is your room it looks like it is 12 x 10 ?

Thanks for the compliment.

The room 15x11. The couch is along the 15 foot wall.

Here are a couple other views:

[wettou]

Thanks for the compliment. The room 15x11. The couch is along the 15 foot wall. Here are a couple other views:

Most welcome, who says you need a giant room hey! :T

[ryan.devry]

Very, Very, NICE........

[duketbrd88]

Very, very nice!! Looks excellent and i love the surrounds. I also have the 804s's, mine are light cherry and love them. What else could you need. Good thing you have all them now with the price increase, could you imagine paying double for the 804's now. Sweet setup. MIKE

[artv4]

I finally took some pics of my rear surrounds installed.

The wife PREFERS them with the grills off.

;x( ;x( ;x( ;x( ;x( ;x( ;x(

[aarsoe]

Louhamilton

Like your setup - however does the mirror not reflect lighting when you are watching a movie?
Also a pretty hard surface for the sound to reflect on..
But very nice clean look..

[wettou]

louhamilton

You might want to try putting some acoustic panels at the first point of reflection your sound will improve tremendously.

http://www.auralex.com/sonicprint/

They are a bit expensive but are not a soar eye for a living room

[emig5m]

Louhamilton

Like your setup - however does the mirror not reflect lighting when you are watching a movie?
Also a pretty hard surface for the sound to reflect on..
But very nice clean look..

When I moved my system around and put it on another wall I noticed something awful about the sound compared to how it was before. Looking at the bare wall directly behind the listening position I decided to to go buy a decorative rug from Walmart and place it directly in the center of the bare wall almost exactly in the place of Lou's mirror (just the rug is bigger). I couldn't believe the difference that hanging that one rug on the bare wall behind my listening position! There where definitely some reflections smearing the sound from that wall behind my listening position. Now I wonder how much better proper treatments would be over using a decorative rug from Walmart? My side walls are pretty well dampened from thick curtains, but I think I'm going to try some smaller decorative rugs directly behind the speakers.

[Hammie]

Louhamilton

Like your setup - however does the mirror not reflect lighting when you are watching a movie?
Also a pretty hard surface for the sound to reflect on..
But very nice clean look..

When I moved my system around and put it on another wall I noticed something awful about the sound compared to how it was before. Looking at the bare wall directly behind the listening position I decided to to go buy a decorative rug from Walmart and place it directly in the center of the bare wall almost exactly in the place of Lou's mirror (just the rug is bigger). I couldn't believe the difference that hanging that one rug on the bare wall behind my listening position! There where definitely some reflections smearing the sound from that wall behind my listening position. Now I wonder how much better proper treatments would be over using a decorative rug from Walmart? My side walls are pretty well dampened from thick curtains, but I think I'm going to try some smaller decorative rugs directly behind the speakers.

Thanks for the compliments.

I agree that it is not an optimal object for the room. That is part of the compromise of a shared room. Need to factor in the WAF.

Ideally, I will be sewing a cover for over the mirror. I will either leave it as just a cloth to drape over it to eliminate the reflection back to the TV (which there is), or I will sew in some acoustical treatment to also help with the sound reflection off the hard surface.

[Hammie]

louhamilton

You might want to try putting some acoustic panels at the first point of reflection your sound will improve tremendously.

http://www.auralex.com/sonicprint/

They are a bit expensive but are not a soar eye for a living room

Acoustical treatment is something I need to learn about. I don't even know what a "first point of reflection" is or where I can locate it.

I would love to do some treatments, but again, they need to be aesthetically pleasing to the wife's eye.

[wettou]

Acoustical treatment is something I need to learn about. I don't even know what a "first point of reflection" is or where I can locate it.

I would love to do some treatments, but again, they need to be aesthetically pleasing to the wife's eye.

Yes Auralex Sopnic Print will give you the aesthetics

What Is The First Reflection Point?
The first reflection point is the most discernible echo in a room; it is also the most disruptive. This reflection is the next sound you hear after the direct sound from the monitors or the loudspeakers.

The reflection can confuse the listener because it adds extra information in the direction of the listener and makes it very difficult to distinguish the true sound projecting from the speakers because it adds unwanted clutter.

It is only after you have eliminated this first reflection can you truly appreciate stereo imaging and soundstage and achieve a clean sound.

After the first reflection has been removed you will appreciate increased definition, enhanced accuracy and better timing. The treatment of the first reflection point is vital in mixing rooms, listening rooms, home cinema rooms, editing suites or control rooms.

Where is the first reflection point?

The first reflection point is the mirror point between the monitor or loudspeaker and the listening position. These are on the two walls either side of the mixing or control desk.

The third first reflection point is found on the ceiling between the monitors and the listening position.

To find the first reflection point you will need a mirror and an assistant, your wife :B

While sat in your listening position get your assistant to drag a mirror along the left hand wall starting from the position of the monitor. When you can see the left monitor through the mirror you have found the first reflection point for the left channel. Do the same with the right hand side.
In most cases this will be same distance from the corner as the left but depends on the position of the two monitors in relation to each other. The next point to find is the one of the ceiling. Directly in front of the listening position get your assistant to drag the mirror along the ceiling until you can see the two monitors in the mirror. If you only have a small mirror you may have to do each channel separately. Once you have found these three points you have the most vital positions of your acoustic treatment.

What acoustic treatment should I use?

In these areas that you have found you need install single acoustic panels . The thickness of acoustic foam you choose is also important. If you only install thin acoustic treatment then there is a smaller and higher frequency range that is going to be absorbed. The thicker the acoustic foam the lower it can absorb to. The maximum thickness you would want to install at the first reflections points is 4” (100m) thick.


At these points you are only going to effectively absorb from the lower of the mid range frequencies upwards. The panels will absorb the low end frequencies but only a small proportion will be absorbed. After you have treated these three areas you will notice a big improvement in the sonics of the room. You will find that the sound emitting from the monitors or loudspeakers will be cleaner and more direct. The slap echoes will be totally eradicated enabling you to better distinguish between each channel. After you have treated you room for the first reflection points you will widen the soundstage and remove the clutter that comes from over reflective surfaces giving you a cleaner sound.

Why don't I just cover all the walls and ceiling with foam?

This is the last thing you want to do unless you are building an anechoic chamber or a very tight vocal booth. When it comes to treating mixing rooms, control rooms and the like the basic treatment of the first reflection points are, apart from bass trapping, usually all that's needed. By treating every surface area with acoustic foam you create a room that is too 'dead'. A room that is too dead is very difficult to work in or enjoy music in. By removing all the reflective surfaces you take all the life out of the room which means you have built a room the is very tight and can b claustrophobic.

Are there any other areas that would benefit from acoustic treatment?

Yes there are some other areas that you could treat if you are still suffering from excessive reflections or echoes. If you are less then 10ft (3m) from the rear wall then you would benefit from a little acoustic treatment spaced along the wall to reduce the reflections back to your listening position, however you will not require more than 40% coverage. Another area that could be considered for treatment is the area between the two monitors or loudspeakers on the front wall. By treating this area with a small cluster of acoustic tiles or one or two acoustic panels you will reduce the interactions between the two speakers and so improve the stereo imaging of the room.

One area of treatment that must not be forgotten but is in most cases taken for granted is the use of bass trapping. This is especially important if the mixing room is small. Low end frequencies will congregate in the corners of rooms especially behind the monitors. The congregation of these low end frequencies can result in the level of certain frequencies being raised by as much as 10dB.

Only by installing bass traps are you going to be able to calm these frequencies. Once you have completed the installation of the bass traps the room will be more balanced as you will have absorption along the whole frequency range and not just mid range upwards. The best places to position the bass traps are behind the two monitors and also on the front wall at the ceiling height in the wall/ceiling seam. Depending on the width of the room depends on the amount of bass trapping to install but in most cases one or two bass traps along the ceiling will be sufficient.

It is not absolutely necessary to treat the corners behind the listing position however f you have the budget for it the treatment o these two corners will be of benefit to the room. Low end frequency is a big problem in small rooms and it is quite often that we would say that you can't have too much bass trapping in a room.

Hope this help

[Relentless]

Here is a quick picture before I can clean up the wires and set up the HTM!D better. I just changed amps so there custom stands are not here yet either. The third EVO600 is under the display. The room is temporary for the moment.

[ShadowZA]

Here is a quick picture before I can clean up the wires and set up the HTM!D better. I just changed amps so there custom stands are not here yet either. The third EVO600 is under the display. The room is temporary for the moment.

Superb! How do you find the synergy between the EVO600's and the 800D's? I imagine that those 800D's are well and truly controlled.

Fantastic setup, Relentless! :T :T :T

[wettou]

Here is a quick picture before I can clean up the wires and set up the HTM!D better. I just changed amps so there custom stands are not here yet either. The third EVO600 is under the display. The room is temporary for the moment.

NICE the EVO600 look like the Emotiva XPA-1 from the picture

[Relentless]

Superb! How do you find the synergy between the EVO600's and the 800D's? I imagine that those 800D's are well and truly controlled.

Fantastic setup, Relentless! :T :T :T

I was using a pair of EVO400 to drive the 800D's. They had no problem driving the speaker but had to be turned up to get that incredible bass that the 800D's are capable of. I went up to the 600 thinking that they would have the same sound signature but the bass would come on sooner. It turned out to be a surprising boost and warmth in the mid bass and I wish I would have started with the 600 all along. To answer your question they are a great match.....

UPDATE: after spending a lot of time with the 600's I now think the 400 and 600 sound are close but the 600 allows you to go louder before sounding too aggressive.

[Hammie]

NICE the EVO600 look like the Emotiva XPA-1 from the picture

At about 15x the price.

[Relentless]

At about 15x the price.

I am going to check stereofile to see if they put the XPA-1 on the bench. Just curious about its numbers at 2ohm. I have read nothing but good things though.

[erich]

my humble home theater

this is my humble home theater

Speakers:
Fronts - B&W 685
Center - B&W 685
Surrounds - B&W DS3
Rear Surround - B&W 685
Subwoofers - SVS PB12NSD x2
Display: Panasonic PT-AE3000u
Screen: 106" Dalite Video Spectra 1.5
Source: HTPC w/ Blu-ray/HD-DVD drive
AVR: Onkyo TX-SR706
Amplifier: Rotel RMB-1075
Seats: 4 Seater recliner

grills on


grills off


closer look


seats


right side


left side


diffuser


projector


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