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  • Brandon B
    Super Senior Member
    • Jun 2001
    • 2189

    #1

    TV shows on DVD

    Informal poll:

    Every time I see a TV show being released on DVD that I want, I find myself put off by the price, and have not, to date, bought a single one. Seems like everything out there is priced at $40-50 per one or two season set.

    I realize they are approaching this from the "hours of material" pricing model, and since you are typically getting 10x or more material time-wise, compared to a motion picture, this seems a logical price point, given that movies go for $15-20.

    However, my emotional response prevents me from framing it in these terms. This is usually material I've already seen, it lacks the production value of a film (on average), was FREE (discounting buying a TV and cable/satellite costs) when first viewed. It's also probably that I am less likely to fire up the FP for something like this, so it sure doesn't feel as valuable.

    What brought this home was noticing that the first 3 years of Scooby-doo cartoons are available as a set. 25 episodes before all the mayhem of scrappy and other variations was done to the show. $50. Come on, it's a freaking 30 year old cartoon, and I have half of the episodes on the hard drive of my satellite tuner (mostly for my kid, but I like them too). Now I could burn them to DVD from there, or just keep them on the HD perpetually, but if the DVD set was anywhere close to $20 I'd pop for it.

    Now recent big budget series where they releasing the DVD is denting the value of syndication of the series, it makes sense for this type of pricing (in which case I would probably wait out discounting). But they don't seem to follow the model of movies, where older titles typically get discounted up to 50% eventually. It just seems they've chosen a pricing structure that disourages mass purchasing, and the they'd make more money at a lower price point.

    The only show I have come close to actually buying was Farscape, but that is even pricier per episode. A small poll of friends/coworkers, results in near complete agreement with my feelings, but they are not the DVD buying fiends we are, so thought I'd find out if I'm the anomaly, or if there's a decent percentage of you who react similarly.

    Pipe in.

    BB
  • aud19
    Twin Moderator Emeritus
    • Aug 2003
    • 16706

    #2
    Ditto. I happen to feel we get ripped off on most software. The music, movie and computer software companies expect us to spend sometimes ridiculous amounts of money on their shiny little discs and yet scream bloody muder at people who pirate. Did it ever occur to any of these people that if they actually priced their wares affordably and reasonably there'd be far, FAR less piracy? Why bother pirating a DVD if you can buy one for $10-$15CA. Why pirate a CD if you can buy it for $5-$10CA etc. (Don't even get me started on Mickeysoft :evil: over $200 for arguably and inherently flawed software, no matter how "usefull"?!?!) Too most people it wouldn't be worth the cost of the burner, blank media and time. Sure you'd still have the odd person who will steal for the sake of stealing but unfortunately you're never going to stop those people. I'm not saying that we shouldn't pay for quality products and all the people that work hard bringing them to us. I'm saying we shouldn't have to pay through the nose to support already wealthy executives. Most of the people who do the real work hardly see any of that overpriced media money...

    End of rant :B

    Jason
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    • Glen
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      • Dec 2003
      • 867

      #3
      I'd be in the minority of people who do not have cable T.V. ( 4 channels of CRTC approved programming on a good day :B ).

      Because I can't always see the T.V. shows in their first run - I've resorted to buying a few series. I get the full ( unedited for commercial time ) episodes in much better quality. So far I've picked up 3 seasons of the Simpsons, 2 of Futurama and 1 Family Guy ( do you see a pattern here ). I can watch them over and over again ( which I do because I love them ) whenever I choose.

      I do agree their overpriced and we're getting ripped of on some.

      E.G. - my wife picked up the last episode on Friends on Monday ( IT JUST AIRED LAST WEEK!!). Special features : all ten different opening themes from over the years (Wow). She didn't tell me what she paid for ( because I'd probably freak ).

      So anyway, although I'm for the box sets in general - there should be some quality there, and the prices should come down.

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      • Burke Strickland
        Ultra Senior Member
        • Sep 2001
        • 3159

        #4
        I know what you mean...

        I've been a big fan of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show", but when the first season came out on DVD priced at $50 I said "no way, Jose". Guess what? Sales of that set have been way below studio expectations, to the point that they may not issue later seasons. If it had been $25 - $30, probably a lot of fans would have gladly added the set to their collections.

        For example, the first season of "M*A*S*H" was issued on DVD for only $25, (at least that was the price I got it for at Best Buy during release week), as was season two a few months later. The price has gone up to nearly $30 for succeeding seasons, but that's still a lot more reasonable than $50. They've had enough sales each time to warrant releasing additional seasons -- the sixth is on its way.

        Generally the "M*A*S*H" sets are well produced, with an entire season at a time, and episodes on disc in the order they originally aired. The sound is good, and they offer a soundtrack without the annoying "laugh track". However, the video quality varies widely episode-to-episode from pristine to almost unwatchable (with "snow" intermittently hashing out the video image on a few episodes). I guess that is to be expected from TV material that old. One thing I don't like, though, is that despite their promise to issue the episodes "uncut", some of my favorite scenes are missing on a couple of episodes.

        On another site where a discussion was going on about "M*A*S*H", I mentioned one sequence in particular that is missing in the episode where Colonel Potter takes command after Major Burns had a brief stint as commander (where Major Burns is seen precisely lining up the condiments in the mess tent among other manifestations of his "leadership" qualities). Someone "assured" me that I was remembering something that had occurred in different season. Well, now all the seasons with the main character in the scenes (Major Frank Burns) have been released and the scenes never showed up.

        So even at a comparatively reasonable price, they are not "perfect". But what in the world is? At least the episodes on DVD aren't interrupted by commercials. :>)

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        • Lex
          Ultra Senior Member
          • Apr 2001
          • 27460

          #5
          I can't say I agree with the pricing structure. From my own perspective, I said no to one series that I sort of wanted recently. Season 1 Smallville. I enjoy the series. But at 50.00, I had to think closely on that. I also said no to Highlander season 2 and 3 for like 65.00 each!!! I said, screw that.

          Friends and Frazier, I will buy them all, and they have been priced around 35.00. But those are my 2 favorite comedies of all recent time. So, I'd buy probably buy them if they were 50. I'm glad they aren't though! But in general, for TV material, I feel that 25.00 or less is fair for 1 season. 50.00 for 1 season is not fair.

          I think part of it is just greedy networks, and the "pricing model". Get all you can from the innovators at the highest price, then eventually reintroduce at a lower price. Maybe this will happen. In fact, they may trickle down to the 5.50 Walmart bin before it's over.

          Now, I do realize, there are production costs and if those costs can't be spread out over as many discs, it raises the per disc production cost. For example, Spiderman 1 sells 3 million copies. But Smallville only sells 300,000. Just an example, I don't know about the true numbers.

          But I also realize, the show's money was made in some cases very long ago, and it is gravy from that perspective, and could justify a lower price to sell more.

          Lex
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          • Brandon B
            Super Senior Member
            • Jun 2001
            • 2189

            #6
            Originally posted by aud19
            Ditto. I happen to feel we get ripped off on most software. The music, movie and computer software companies expect us to spend sometimes ridiculous amounts of money on their shiny little discs and yet scream bloody muder at people who pirate.
            I am not keen on CD prices, and hence buy very few (haven't ever downloaded so far as I don't have any interest in Mp3's). Computer software, well if there was real competition that would probably come into line, but that's a whole other issue.

            I personally feel, however, that $20 or under is an absolutely fair price for a movie DVD. While there are many movies I wouldn't buy unless marked down to under $10, any recent release quality picture is an absolute steal at $15-20 IMO, given what it would cost me and my wife to go the the Maulplex (spelling intentional), and the enjoyment I get out of watching things in my HT.

            TV series don't fall into that same category for some reason.

            BB

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            • Danbry39
              Super Senior Member
              • Sep 2002
              • 1584

              #7
              Yes, very costly, but I find I must have some.

              Off the top of my head, we've bought pretty much all of The Avengers (Emma Peel was my fantasy for many years), lots of I Spy, all of The Sopranos, two seasons of The Dick Van Dyke Show, Kung Fu (Season 1), and I imagine quite a bit more. With the exception of The Sopranos, all have been childhood or teen favorites brought back for nostalgia. Still haven't even watched them all. My wife buys ones like The Andy Griffith Show, although I ask, "Why, when it's still on TV all of the time?"
              Keith

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              • David Meek
                Ultra Senior Member
                • Aug 2000
                • 8934

                #8
                I haven't "bought in" to the TV-series DVDs either. Pricing is just way over the top. Besides which, there aren't that many series I care to own other than X-Files, Smallville, Angel and Buffy. The one exception to this is Band Of Brothers - that was a must-have, and it made its way home very quickly. Once the price structure becomes more realistic (yes, about $25 US per season), then I'll start collecting my favorites.
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                • JonMarsh
                  Mad Max Moderator
                  • Aug 2000
                  • 16071

                  #9
                  Well, I guess it's all relative...

                  I don't have cable- it's available, but to get a good package, even without HD, the tariff is dearer than I care to pay, and with the amount of travel I do, I'm away too much and wouldn't get to watch the main things I want to see.

                  Now, let's consider TV on DVD.

                  First, let's recognize that some shows are 1/2 hour and others are 1 hour. I think a season of 1/2 hour shows should cost less than a season of 1 hour shows.

                  If you want to talk about "excessive" pricing, I think you can definitely make a case for the shows like Xfiles and many of the Trek series, which are pushing $100 for a season. Even $85 for Babylon 5 makes me blanche.

                  OTOH, I don't have any problem with ~$45-50 for a season of 1 hour shows like Angel or Smallville. And I"ve even stepped up to the plate for Highlander, but I have a bit of a soft spot for that show, due to the European locations used.

                  Other shows I've popped for include Alias and Buffy, and with careful online shopping for price, Babylon5. OK, let's not forget Farscape, Andromeda, and Earth: Final Conflict. Hmmm, guess you can tell I'm a bit of a SciFi nut.

                  OK, guilty pleasures all, but at least I get to watch them at a time convenient to me, scaled up on my NEC presentation monitor on an HTPC, not over some crappy cable connection on an NTSC TV.

                  For me, it's worth it, both the quality difference and the convenience. Especially since I'm not paying $60+ a month for local cable. Gives me a working budget of one good DVD set per month. And of course, I can take them and watch on my widescreen laptop while traveling, after having transferred them to the HD.

                  Cable doesn't compare.

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                  • Brandon B
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                    • Jun 2001
                    • 2189

                    #10
                    For your circumstances, it is a no-brainer.

                    I'd wager you represent a minority situation though (both in terms of your not having cable/sat, as well as having a display setup where the quality difference is so noticeable).

                    Since we all know the industry doesn't market things based on fringe inhabitants like us though, wondering if they aren't missing the sweet point on the market curve.

                    BB

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                    • George Bellefontaine
                      Moderator Emeritus
                      • Jan 2001
                      • 7636

                      #11
                      Not being much of a tv watcher today, I would only be interested in certain series from yesteryear, if the price was right, which it isn't. Those that I would buy from a bargain bin include: HAVE GUN WILL TRAVEL, WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE, early SNL stuff, anything from the old POLICE STORY series, anything fro m some of those great old variety shows such as The Frank Sinatra or Dean Martin shows ( I would and have paid top prices for these) plus anything from the old Johnny Cash and Sonny and Cher shows.

                      But they really oughta do something about their stupid pricing.
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                      • Robbie
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                        • Aug 2000
                        • 256

                        #12
                        I to would buy TV DVDs if they were reasonably priced. Was looking at the first season of Malcom and was on the edge at $30. Had it been 20 I would have grabbed it. Of course that's just my cheap self talking.

                        However the ONE series I would definently get is Star Trek. But at 20.00 for 2 episodes. 26 episodes per season, that's $520 per season. 8O Now I realize they were the first TV series to make it to DVD and since they were trailblazers they had no clue how to package it and they somehow came up with an arbitrary episode/cost factor but come on. :roll:

                        Maybe I can find some TV DVDs that made it to the used section. :W

                        Robbie

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                        • Chris D
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                          • Dec 2000
                          • 16875

                          #13
                          Nope, I've never bought any TV show DVD's either. But I'd REALLY like to buy a complete set of my all-time favorite show, The Outer Limits. (the new series, not the original black and white) The only problem is, they have a few shows on disc, but not the complete set. I'm waiting for the complete set, and then I'll buy it. Just ironic that the one show I want I can't get.
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                          • Brandon B
                            Super Senior Member
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 2189

                            #14
                            Well, I finally found a TV show disk priced low enough to tempt me at Costco last week:



                            6 2-part episodes for $16. Have to pick up the 1st volume now. Kid really likes 'em.

                            They had Jonny quest too, but $30. And they're on Boomerang all the time, so no sale.

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                            • Burke Strickland
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                              • Sep 2001
                              • 3159

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Robbie
                              Maybe I can find some TV DVDs that made it to the used section.
                              There is a problem with that at my local Hollywood Video (which I go to exclusively to check out the "used section" since I have never rented a DVD). They "unbundle" the TV-series sets and sell each disc individually for something between $9.99 to $14.99 per disc. For most series, by the time you buy all the discs in a particular set (if you can find them all), you would be paying MORE than for a new set of the same thing. NO SALE!

                              Burke

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                              • gd
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                                • Jan 2003
                                • 583

                                #16
                                Can't justify that kind of expense.

                                With one - and only one - exception...

                                The Simpsons

                                Not much good on TV anyway... would rather listen to music anyway.
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                                • JonMarsh
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                                  • Aug 2000
                                  • 16071

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Brandon B
                                  For your circumstances, it is a no-brainer.

                                  I'd wager you represent a minority situation though (both in terms of your not having cable/sat, as well as having a display setup where the quality difference is so noticeable).


                                  BB

                                  Well, I've tried some of my favorite TV shows on the "big screen", with the Zenith DVB318 and my new NEC-9PG+ projector... for me, it is literally jaw dropping- this isn't my dad's TV, that's for sure.

                                  Now, these are shows with well above average special effects, and released in 16X9 widescreen format for DVD- and the DVD mastering is quite a bit better than some other shows released in 4:3. In this latest season, both Smallville and Andromeda overall video quality are pushing what's out on good movies, and upscaled by the Zenith player to 1080i, it's simply lovely- no scanlines, no pixels, no interlace artifacts, it's the most film like "TV" experience I've ever had.

                                  Especially for shows like this, or "Alias" also, for example, with good original source, the quality upgrade compared with the chroma bandwidth limited OTA NTSC "original" version is pretty stunning. Even though I do think ADV's policy of releasing Andromeda in two disk sets is a bit of a rip off- however, their season price for the full season one was OK.

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                                  • Lex
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                                    • Apr 2001
                                    • 27460

                                    #18
                                    Burke, I would think even used that is bordering on being illegal as far as the studios go. Breaking a set, I just don't like it at all.

                                    Lex
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