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  • JonMarsh
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    • Aug 2000
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    Building a new DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) based around 2014 Mac Pro

    As I mentioned recently in another post I'm putting together a new DAW (well, actually it will be used for more than that, but the DAW aspect is a big part of the configuration choice, particularly as regards storage and connectivity).


    Because of the extensive experience I have with Macs in this area, and at this point also some key hardware like the Metric Halo LIO-8 which only configures and functions fully with a Mac (DSP based virtual mixer, for example), some decisions and options I consider tend to be skewed, relative to those who work mostly with PCs, as I did before 2005.





    What audio tasks am I going to be doing with this system? A number of things, actually, though acting as a music player for entertainment won't be one of them! :W

    • Capturing quad rate PCM digital audio streams over S/PDIF from a Fireface 800 connected to modified Universal/SACD player, Oppo and Pioneer, using Audiofile Engineering Triumph
    • Editing PCM digital audio from these captures into music tracks and adding in meta data for use on music server
    • Recording and multi-channel mixing using Metric Halo LIO-8 and Logic Pro X (I can't say enough positive about the value proposition and performance of the new version) and Garageband (which GF is comfortable with)
    • Acoustic measurements using Spectre and Fuzzmeasure









    Mamba Patch Bay from DB25 connectors



    This has taken a long time to pull all these pieces together... slow work takes time.


    In addition, I expect to use this system for photography work, power systems simulation, PCB CAD, technical writing and training materials, etc. And with a drive for Windows 7, I'll run some specific Windows Apps like LspCAD, MathCAD, SIMetrix, Altium Designer.

    So, nothing really all that complicated, but taxing enough that the flexibility and expandability of the new Mac Pro does appeal, over say, an iMac. I'd give more consideration to an iMac if they had a wider gamut backlight for the display, but the Apple displays can't do AdobeRGB1998, so I end up sticking with NEC and Dell... yes, Dell. You should see or read about their new 4K displays. Hope Apple has something coming out like that soon...

    My choice of a Promise Pegasus J4 for a "primary external drive" likely seems strange at first glance, and perhaps warrants some explanation.




    Thunderbolt based storage and accessories are still in an early stage of development. Particularly, there's not so much choice available yet in user configurable units, compared with say, a configured drive assembly like a Western Digital Velociraptor Duo (which I have two of- two high speed (10K) server drives in one enclosure). I looked at some other units, like the Dobro Mini (perhaps the most direct competitor) but decided to go with the Pegasus. It came in yesterday, and I assembled and set it up and tested it, and I'm not disappointed. But it's not for everyone.

    So, what are the strange points or down sides of the Pegasus J4?
    • This is a Mac only peripheral- (not that that has much impact, considering the miniscule number of Windows PCs with Thunderbolt ports.... hello out there? (crickets chirping...)
    • It is not bootable, and in current form requires a small device driver to be loaded to work.
    • It does not include a built in RAID controller. This can be viewed as a downside, or on the Mac, as an upside... (Mac OS is very capable for configuring RAID0, RAID1, and JBOD just through the OS with whatever attached storage is used).
    • The size duplicates a Mac Mini, and while the build quality is not quite as high as a Mac Mini, by user configurable drive standards, it's actually quite high
    • Market price is very inconsistent- selling for $767 without drives on Amazon, down to $339 on OWC MacSales (where I bought it, along with 4 HGST 1TB 9.5mm high drives)
    • Which brings up the other point, in order to hit that form factor, it only works with notebook sized 2.5" drives, no more than 9.5 mm high. That's less of a drawback these days, with parts like the HGST 1TB high rel drives available, but at introduction, only 500GB HD's and a selection of consumer SSD's would fit- the larger capacity enterprise grade 2.5's need not apply
    • The original pre-loaded configuration used Toshiba 500GB drives, 5400 RPM. Performance was pretty good, if you were only familiar with HD based computers in the past.


    The HGST part I chose:

    Travelstar™ 7K1000 is the industry's only seventh-generation 7200 RPM mobile hard drive and ideally suited for notebook PC upgrades and portable, high-capacity personal storage products. At 500GB/platter, this 2.5-inch hard drive offers a 1TB capacity and leverages Advanced Formant, which increased the physical sector size from 512 bytes to 4,096 (4K) bytes to improve drive capacities and error correction capabilities. The Travelstar 7K1000 is the industry's first high-performance 1TB 2.5-inch HDD with a 6Gb/s SATA interface (with OWC 3Gb/s enabled firmware) and delivers the highest mobile HDD performance in PCMark© Vantage benchmark testing.

    So, how does it work?
    • It's very fast to disassemble and mount the four drives, which can be a mix and match setup if you wish- only one screw to secure each drive
    • Software driver installation is trivial and has worked on every Mac OS I've tried it on from Snow Leopard through Mavericks.
    • There is a provided software tool for firmware installation, which could come in handy considering they promise a major firmware update with booting once all the work for the new MacPro peripherals is finished.
    • Configuration of a RAID1 setup took almost no time at all- initially, this unit looks like four separate drives, and can be used that way, but with Mac OSX, you can setup mirrored or striped arrays quickly using the Disk Utility. I think even my daughter could do it, it's that easy... easier than setting up a new convenitonal drive on Windows 7.
    • Now, this last part depends on the drives you use... with the HGST drives I bought, this thing is fast- transferring folders with many small fles (thousands) it still manages 300-450MB per second through put from the SSD on my Macbook Pro.
    • Quiet. No more noise than a Mac Mini, which means you have to listen close to hear the fan.


    In summary, not for every one, and if you use it in striped raid like I am, use high reliability drives, and back it up regularly. I read a number of online reviews by users who have been using these since they first came out and have even upgraded the drives for capacity reasons, and have had no issues, and been very pleased with performance. I've also read online reviews by people complaining that the bought it and thought it would work with Windows.... I guess not every one reads the brochure or online descriptions very carefully.

    I would recommend this for any heavy disk user for video, music, or photograph, and actually, if you're doing a Mac Mini music server, this would make a great companion disk for putting both conventional and high res files on (how long to you want it to take to load your album from a quad rate 4.7GB file?)
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  • JonMarsh
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    #2
    One other interesting thing... when I originally ordered the Mac Pro at 1AM in the morning, I was not particularly alert and didn't pay attention to the shipping type- so wound up with standard shipping, and a quoted ship date of December 30 with an arrival at home of Jan 7, in the confirmation email sent later that day. The Jan 7 part was a surprise and didn't make me happy- going back online, there was no way to edit the order and change the shipping type and expense.

    Well, this Saturday morning I called up Apple customer service, and a cheerful young lady named Stephanie (obviously not with a call center in Pakistan or India!) fixed me up, upgrading me to next day shipping... at no charge. That pretty much made my day!
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    • impala454
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      #3
      Wow, nice. Which specs did you go with on the new Mac Pro?
      -Chuck

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      • JonMarsh
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        #4
        Just the standard upgrade version- 6 core, dual D500 GPU's, 16GB of RAM. The built in 256GB PCIE flash is not really a suitable user drive, but it's fine for the boot system, Library and Application support folders and applications, plus an Admin account. By moving my main user folder off to the Pegasus, I'll have 4TB of very fast storage for all my main folders. Then I also have a 6 TB LaCie Thunderbolt array for other storage, and a 2TB Velociraptor Duo for Windows. Sort of bastardized, but should be pretty flexible. I have a copy of Parallels 9 that I got at a discount with the Pegasus; I don't know if I'll just use that for a Windows or setup Bootcamp too.

        This should be fun...
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        • JonMarsh
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          #5
          A customer service story

          Last Thursday at 1AM in the morning I ordered the new Mac Pro (purely on a whim, of course), but didn't think to upgrade from standard shipping until I got the confirming email later in the day showing that while shipping on Dec 30, it wouldn't arrive until Jan 7. I tried to change this online, but there was no way I could find to do this.

          This morning I called Apple Customer Service, talking to a cheerful young lady named Stephanie who clearly by her accent was not in a call center in Pakistan or India. She changed the shipping method to next day air... at no charge. I wished her a happy holiday, and got off the phone feeling like they had made my day. Should be here now on the 31st.

          Happy Holidays, guys!
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          • JonMarsh
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            #6
            Christmas is coming!

            Woo Hoo!

            Shipped today instead of December 30 as scheduled!

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            • JonMarsh
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              #7
              Arrived yesterday evening- looking forward to setting it up and snapping a few computer pron pics tomorrow!
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              • JonMarsh
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                #8
                Computer Porn...

                Well, it's been so busy I can't say I've made huge progress setting things up - the Pegasus J4 RAID is setup with my main working User folder, and that has performed flawlessly and quickly loading up about 2TB of data from existing systems and drives- it will be nice to be able to consolidate so much of this.

                You know, with this unit, booting up your system takes on a different meaning....



                The normal online pictures just don't convey the scale properly....


                At the moment it's just driving a 24" Dell 1920X1200 display, though I really ought to hook up the big NEC to it for grins.

                I did order a new Dell 24" 4K display,




                But they're as backordered as Apple currently is on the Mac Pro, and it won't ship until early February. The combination should look like this image from a Japanese site...



                At this point, we'll finally have a desktop "Retina" display, something I've been waiting for....

                As inexpensive as the Dell is, and considering the color gamut and calibration, I'll probably go for a second this size when I can afford it, rather than a big 32" 4K display. I've really become addicted to the smaller retinal display concept.
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                • wkhanna
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by The Maestro
                  You know, with this unit, booting up your system takes on a different meaning....
                  :roflmao:
                  _


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                  • PewterTA
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                    • Nov 2004
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                    #10
                    Looks awesome Jon!!!

                    I'd love to have that display (I was trying to get the 27/28" -- older version) for work, but they put the foot down on that... oh well, at least I got the laptops maxed out with everything I wanted it to have.
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                    • JonMarsh
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                      #11
                      For standard displays, the 2560 27"-28" are a great way to go.

                      I'm not really normally a "Dell" fan, but for select professional displays with wide gamut they have been doing a pretty kick ass job of late, with excellent pre-calibrated response and very low delta-e. The new 4K displays look to be a further step in that direction, and with my Retina Macbook Pro (15") and iPads, I'm hooked on Retina displays. With QuickRes I can get any Apple display output to work in HiDPI, so this should be a slam dunk.

                      When I get it in, just for fun I'll see if there's a way I can post a direct screen shoot via one of my online resources - of course, you'd have to scroll through it.

                      I don't even want to mention what joke of a Lenovo laptop I have at work, but as every one knows I don't do any work work on the Window's rigs at work, just email, my boss rightly figures I don't need anything better! But for any serious work, a decent 27" monitor is just too inexpensive for any company not to go for that, given the leverage on productivity. Just my 0.02, of course.
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                      • PewterTA
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                        #12
                        John... looks like that MAC you got is having problems with a lot (if not all) 4K monitors and displaying the correct resolution and instead upscales a lower (and not well it seems)

                        Apple's new Mac Pro offers beefy graphics hardware, but you may be out of luck if you want to use it with a 4K display - at least for now.
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                        • impala454
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                          #13
                          Glad you got the new Mac Pro in Jon! How do you like it thus far? As one who's primary "PC" at work is a boot camped Windows 7 Macbook Pro, I vote for the boot camp side. Parallels is nice but there's nothing like natively booting, especially for direct hardware access for various drivers and such.

                          Dan that's a bummer on the 4K support. I'm not terribly surprised though, as a couple guys at work had a really tough time running two thunderbolt displays on their MBPs, until Apple finally came out with updated drivers.
                          -Chuck

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                          • mjb
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by JonMarsh
                            I'm not really normally a "Dell" fan, but for select professional displays with wide gamut they have been doing a pretty kick ass job of late, with excellent pre-calibrated response and very low delta-e.
                            I'm not a Dell guy either, and my - not even a year old - Dell display (at work) died today too - reconfirming my reluctance to buy anything Dell.
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                            • mjb
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                              • Mar 2005
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                              #15
                              The Mac Pro looks sweet, from every aspect. There's some FUD floating around already, probably mostly schadenfreude. Sure, its going to have a few teething problems, but probably nothing an optimised driver or two can't fix. And Apple can be trusted to produce.
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                              • JonMarsh
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                                #16
                                Both drivers and software will need to mature some to get the most out of it, but I'm getting great results so far, and my favorite photo site by Lloyd Chambers is already showing some remarkable benchmarks with very early updates to software.



                                Mind you, the oder 2010 Mac Pro with the Radeon GPU (like my old one) also provides GPU support for the right software- but note the degree to which the 6 core 3.5GHz new Mac Pro (the configuration I bought) smokes the 12 core 2010 model.

                                I do have HiDpi up and working via Quick Res on my Mac Pro, running on the 4K 24" Dell display. For giggles, I should do a full screen capture and post- of course, you'd have to be panning like mad to view it, just like the case for a retina iPad capture. Only more so. So, the "apparent" resolution for a 24" 16X9 is 1080P, but there's oodles more visual detail in images with software that supports retina displays, and of course it's great not having visible pixels finally on a desktop. the only downside is how displays handle the resolution and refresh over Display port- the MacPro with the current driver configuration will only support the Dell at 30 Hz, apparently the Dell doesn't have MST implemented in a way that is compatible, unlike the Sharp and Asus 31.5" displays. But at $1399, it has the right combination of clarity and resolution for most of the work I need to do- I'm seriously considering getting a second so I have dual displays- but the practical thing to do might be to hold off six months and see how things develop. HOPEFULLY there is a wide gamut 4K display from Apple in our future... (needed for photography- my NEC 30" display and this new Dell and an older 24" Dell 1920X1200 monitor all support 100% Adobe 1998 RGB color gamut.)
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                                • musiclear
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by JonMarsh
                                  Both drivers and software will need to mature some to get the most out of it, but I'm getting great results so far, and my favorite photo site by Lloyd Chambers is already showing some remarkable benchmarks with very early updates to software.



                                  Mind you, the oder 2010 Mac Pro with the Radeon GPU (like my old one) also provides GPU support for the right software- but note the degree to which the 6 core 3.5GHz new Mac Pro (the configuration I bought) smokes the 12 core 2010 model.

                                  I do have HiDpi up and working via Quick Res on my Mac Pro, running on the 4K 24" Dell display. For giggles, I should do a full screen capture and post- of course, you'd have to be panning like mad to view it, just like the case for a retina iPad capture. Only more so. So, the "apparent" resolution for a 24" 16X9 is 1080P, but there's oodles more visual detail in images with software that supports retina displays, and of course it's great not having visible pixels finally on a desktop. the only downside is how displays handle the resolution and refresh over Display port- the MacPro with the current driver configuration will only support the Dell at 30 Hz, apparently the Dell doesn't have MST implemented in a way that is compatible, unlike the Sharp and Asus 31.5" displays. But at $1399, it has the right combination of clarity and resolution for most of the work I need to do- I'm seriously considering getting a second so I have dual displays- but the practical thing to do might be to hold off six months and see how things develop. HOPEFULLY there is a wide gamut 4K display from Apple in our future... (needed for photography- my NEC 30" display and this new Dell and an older 24" Dell 1920X1200 monitor all support 100% Adobe 1998 RGB color gamut.)
                                  What is up with that? Is there more internal memory in the 6 core? Was the software not able to optimize for 12 cores? What?

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                                  • JonMarsh
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                                    #18
                                    A few things to keep in mind...

                                    • Other than video encoding/re-encoding, most software tasks are difficult to distribute among many cores, due to data and logical dependencies, and apps like Adobe Photoshop are pretty typical, showing best relative perfomrance at the 4-6 core level; above that, things just tend to bog down and actual core utilization is not that good
                                    • This is a specific type of work load- RAW file conversion- which can take good advantage of Open CL co-processing- and is highlighting new software starting to take advantage of this capability. Adobe Lightroom can use GPU's also; most package currently can't. That will change with time.
                                    • For a given processor configuration, few cores allows higher clock rates per core due to fundamental thermal and power issues- cores running at 2GHz don't do as much work as those running at 2.8 or 3.2 GHz nominal in multi-core mode.
                                    • Memory bandwidth- the newer processors from Intel have upped the memory bandwidth by about 25% compared to those older 12 cores systems- so six cores can really run fairly close to top speed.
                                    • The GPU system in the new Mac Pro is quite high performance AND a relative bargain- for software that is coming to support Open CL and use it for calculations, this gives the new Mac Pro a bigger boost in performance, even though the older 12 core sytem had the fastest aftermarket card available at that time.
                                    • Peak clock rates (turbo mode, thermals permitting) are highest on the new 4 core and six core models (identical, in fact). This gives some advantage, too, though not so much for multi-core operation- it's more of a factor when running workloads that aren't optimized for multi-core operation. Lots of those out there still... like Office, and some older CAD programs.
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                                    • benchtester
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                                      #19
                                      Jon,
                                      I have a friend who wants to measure amps, dacs, adcs. He's used to using an Audio Precision 2. But is now in between jobs, doing contract work. We were thinking of a DAW with SoundEasy (or other low-cost speaker THD measurement software) and a low-noise outboard DAC and ADC inputing to the SPDIF on the sound card. Do you know of any show stoppers and/or other advice?

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                                      • JonMarsh
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                                        #20
                                        There's a few different units and software packages optimized for just that task.. I'd have to go search my archives for "details", but fundamentally it should be viable- partly depends on how much resolution you need/want in the measurements. The guy that designed the TotalDAC ended up building his own measurement system, partly because of the limitations of many standard commercial products.


                                        I'll try to get back to you on this later- work keeps me tied up during the week.
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                                        • JonMarsh
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by benchtester
                                          Jon,
                                          I have a friend who wants to measure amps, dacs, adcs. He's used to using an Audio Precision 2. But is now in between jobs, doing contract work. We were thinking of a DAW with SoundEasy (or other low-cost speaker THD measurement software) and a low-noise outboard DAC and ADC inputing to the SPDIF on the sound card. Do you know of any show stoppers and/or other advice?

                                          Charlie Laub is using a moderate cost MAudio audio interface with ARTA, and getting pretty nice results- you might want to look at this combination.


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                                          • JonMarsh
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                                            • Aug 2000
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                                            #22
                                            Almost have all the pieces together now- the new LaCie 2Big Thunderbolt arrived Friday- it's setup now at a 3TB RAID1 instead of stripped 6TB RAID0, but it's redundant and fast enough, and after copying all the files I need work with and edit for now, still has 1TB of working space available. I should probably buy stock in LaCie, (expect that they got bought out by Seagate!) considering how many of their drives I have, including the new NAS.



                                            Main job will be editing down raw SACD rips to tracks and conversion to 88.2/24 FLAC.
                                            the AudioWorx
                                            Natalie P
                                            M8ta
                                            Modula Neo DCC
                                            Modula MT XE
                                            Modula Xtreme
                                            Isiris
                                            Wavecor Ardent

                                            SMJ
                                            Minerva Monitor
                                            Calliope
                                            Ardent D

                                            In Development...
                                            Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
                                            Obi-Wan
                                            Saint-Saëns Symphonique/AKA SMJ-40
                                            Modula PWB
                                            Calliope CC Supreme
                                            Natalie P Ultra
                                            Natalie P Supreme
                                            Janus BP1 Sub


                                            Resistance is not futile, it is Volts divided by Amperes...
                                            Just ask Mr. Ohm....

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