The Rotel look for Monster Power products

[Glenn]

I was searching the web looking for an RF splitter and came across the Monster Cable web site. Haven't looked it over for quite some time and was surprised to see Monster is now into the power amp business?! 2 channel and 3 channel. Maybe they've been offering these products for a while, and I just haven't noticed, but I still was surprised to see this.

The other thing I noticed was how similar they've set their product up to look like Rotel! Black with a silver centre section, as well as what looks like handles on both sides.

http://www.monstercable.com/power

[ejfiii]

Those are power conditioners and surge protectors and other overpriced, overhyped products that match their overpriced, overhyped wires and cables.

E. J.




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[SpOoNmAn]

Those are power conditioners and surge protectors and other overpriced, overhyped products that match their overpriced, overhyped wires and cables.

E. J.

I couldn't agree more. 8)




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[lcajiga]

Please clear my mind...if I read correctly, Monster is indeed selling amplifiers for speakers. They have two models, one is two and the other is three channels. Here is some info I found:

About Monster Reference Power Amplifier Signature Series:

Ultra High Performance, 2-Channel Power Amplifier with integrated Monster Power® PowerCenter design to complete the MonsterPower "backbone" of stable voltage, Clean Power and now, Monsterous amplification. Features Monster-Mirrored Amplifier Technology™, laboratory-grade digital power meters and maximum juice to deliver ultimate clarity, dynamic range and resolution to your home theater and audio system.

PERFORMANCE FEATURES:

Embossed plate with The Head Monster, Noel Lee's Signature.
Monster Mirrored Amplifier TechnologyTM ensures low distortion, greater clarity even at the highest power levels.
Laboratory-grade digital power meters monior acutal power output and dynamic range.
250 watts per channel, 500 watts total with all channels driven.
400 continuous watts all channels driven into 4 Ohms, instantaneous peak power all channels driven greater than
300 watts per channel/8 Ohms, 500 watts/4 Ohms.
Balanced complimentary push-pull input stage delivers ultra-wide bandwidth performance for best reproduction of
high resolution 192kHz DVD-A and SACD formats.




Regards,
Luis

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"It is not what you see and hear...it is how!"

[ejfiii]

Well crap, I couldn't have been more wrong. 3 channels, 250WPC for $3k. Looks like they are continuing the overpriced, overhyped model line into the power amplifier business. If I shake my head in disbelief any harder, its likely to snap off.

E. J.

What the hell is the world coming to?




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[lcajiga]

Ejfiii, I cannot agree more. I don't even wish to listen to them. If they give me one for free, then I may use it in my terrace :LOL:

I did purchase the less expensive power conditioner from them, but only connect there all devices but my amplifiers, processor and the DVD player. All those I connect to Richard Gray's RGPC.




Regards,
Luis

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"It is not what you see and hear...it is how!"

[vsarathy]

Speaking of Monster, I was thinking of buying their Power Conditioner HTS 2600 which is about $350 in order to connect my Rotel gear that I will shortly purchase (most probably, RSP-1098 + RMB-1095).

Are there better alternatives that someone here can suggest. Also, how much of a difference does all this hyperbole about "Clean Power" make?

Thanks for any input.
Sarathy

[aud19]

Damn!

Just when I ordered that Rotel crap I find out I could have got monster stuff! :x

Jus kidding! :LOL:




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[SpOoNmAn]

Speaking of Monster, I was thinking of buying their Power Conditioner HTS 2600 which is about $350 in order to connect my Rotel gear that I will shortly purchase (most probably, RSP-1098 + RMB-1095).

Are there better alternatives that someone here can suggest. Also, how much of a difference does all this hyperbole about "Clean Power" make?

Thanks for any input.
Sarathy

I only say this because just recently I learned about MOV's and their tendency to fail without warning, therefore I'm in the process of removing my Panamax conditioners and replacing them with Brickwall units.

Brickwalls seem to be a no brainer...they won't fail under any condition, their filtering/conditoning is great, and they won't restrict current.

They have several different units that are used for different applications. They have a regular line, and their AUD audiophile line. Do some reading before you run out and buy anything. A little research goes a looong way 8)

At their site, they mention MOV's and so on. I will never get another device that uses them. And believe me, a LOT of the higher end brands use MOV's, oh well 8O ...here's the link...

http://www.pricewheeler.com/

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[aud19]

Hey Spoonman,

Perhaps you can offer your expert opinion on these suckers http://www.apc.com/products/family/i...=67&tab=models

I purchased a couple of the 1200VA models a year or so ago. They seem to have offered a bit of improvement on some video signals as well as good surge and brownout protection (I've heard them click into action). I plan to connect my 1066 and I'm debating on testing them with my 1075 too (to keep this on Club Rotel topic ). Perhaps you can let let me know what kind of quality they are IYO. They were a fair bit less than the Brickwalls you mentioned so I don't expect them to quite stack up to them but...

Thanks,

J.R.




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[ht_addict]

If we could get 5 or more people to purchase a Brickwall we would get them at a discounted price. I'm interested in the PW8R15AUD for $249($194 for 5 or more).



Product #: PW8R15AUD
Product Name: 15 amp, 8 isolated receptacle point of use unit for audio use

This product has options. See product details below.
Description: General Information:

The 8R family of products represents the latest evolution of the Brick Wall Surge Filter. Refinements include better shielding, silent operation, a right angle plug and improved appearance. The product also now comes with two additional "fixed" (always on) outlets for use with amplifiers, tuners etc.

For the audiophile we have added isolated receptacles (preventing the "cross talk" between digital and analog components).

And of course as a surge suppressor/line filter, both in its endurance and performance capabilities, Brick Wall Surge Filter still sets the world's standard. There is no better powerline protection product available today.

Made in the USA


6' grounded 3-wire #14 SJT line cord, right angle plug.

Two unswitched grounded outlets.

Six switched grounded outlets.

Magnetic shielding steel cabinet: Black.

Self-test circuit with visual indicator.

Specifications:


Load Ratings: 15A @ 120 volts, single phase, 50-60 Hz; full load regulation 1%.

Receptacle Isolation: Low pass filter isolation assures >40db load to load isolation for EFT bursts.

Endurance Test: 1,000 surges, 3,000 amperes, 6,000 volts, SVR=330, actual Suppressed Voltage 100,000 amperes (unlimited due to current limiting) (8 x 20 microseconds).

Endurance, C62.41-1991(formerly IEEE 587) Category B3 (C1) pulses (6kV, 3kA): 2kv>100,000; 4kv>10,000; 6kv>1,000 (NRTL verified).

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[SpOoNmAn]

Hey Spoonman,

Perhaps you can offer your expert opinion on these suckers http://www.apc.com/products/family/i...=67&tab=models

OK, first off.. the term "Expert" does not belong in that sentence, LOL. I have no electrical background, well not any schooling/training of any type. A friend and I did some research, which led to installing our own dedicated circuits, which then led too further research on what is the most dependable, and what isn't. Unfortunately, I learned about the MOV breakdown after I had already bought some Panamax gear.

I don't want to rub anyone the wrong way here. Panamax and others are great products. Even if the MOV's inside DID end up melting, Panamax will cover it correct? Yes, so on that end, you're covered. But I know damn well I can't be the only one who appreciates his gear..so why skimp? The Brickwalls are cheap too, considering how dependable they are.

Now for an audio setup where you want to power things on in order, the Brickwalls don't offer this. To me, thats the Only drawback, but I am happily living without it

The APC's you linked too are a different beast altogether. They are voltage regulators. I am trying to find out what the insides are made of but can't. If they don't use MOV's, excellent. If they do, well you can either stay with what has been working thus far, or think about changing.

Brickwall has links on their site that go directly to Competitors sites...

http://www.pricewheeler.com/compete.htm

Here's a little blurb from that page..

Now don't get us wrong. Some of these companies manufacture excellent products. We do hear good things... about their power line conditioners. To be honest we don't have a clue to how a Brick Wall compares with this aspect of their performance. They are universally kind of mum about their technology. However, the rank and file have not been as kind as far as praising their surge protection abilities. Some do not provide any at all. For the rest it apparently was not a priority.

Most companies make conditioning/filtering their top priority, leaving their surge protection 2nd rate. I have never once heard anything negative about a APC unit, and for that matter, the Panamax, Monster, PS Audio names are all very popular for a reason.

Funny how the Brickwalls are bulletproof units, yet not many people know of them. They don't market their gear like the others.

I say stick with your APC if it's been this good to you. But if you have literature on it, break it out and see if it uses MOV's. I do however wish that Brickwall made a regulator of some type. I'd be interested in getting one down the road. I have a decent electrical system in my current house so I can't complain.

As far as audible differences I heard when I switched out the Panamax to the Brickwall, certain sounds seemed lighter. Female voices are more airy and natural sounding. Piano seems to have more attack a laid back attack, if that makes any sense. Bass is definitely rounded off better, I think thats the biggest thing I noticed. I have sat friends down and made the switch a few times, and some of them picked up on tiny nuances, some that I didn't. But knowing my 1075 is plugged into the Brickwall is an awesome feeling indeed. I didn't buy it to obtain an audible difference, that was just icing on the cake 8)

Like I said above, I'm not here to try and persuade people on what to get or what to replace. But I do feel it my duty to let the Rotel brethren in on any knowledge I have, and this is about the best I can do for now




Life is short, Play it LOUD!

[Glenn]

Does anyone have any comments (good or bad) regarding the Richard Gray's Power Company 400 MK II product?

http://www.richardgrayspowercompany.com/index2.html

[aud19]

Well apparently we didn't keep this "Rotel relevent" enough...lol

Spoonman, thanks at least for the :non-expert" opinion you offered :LOL:

Does anyone else have any opinions on the APC's or other Voltage regulators? Also does anyone foresee an issue with plugging my 1075 in to one? I know current draw can be an issue but they're rated for 15 amps and 1200VA's... as long as I don't plug in equipment that requires more than 1200VA's at their max when added together I shouldn't have any problems, correct? I believe the 1075 is rated at 800 isn't it? If I add in things like DVD players etc that pull very little power I should be ok...right?

J.R.




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[Glenn]

I think you're right. Actually, my original post meant to be mostly with how closely the new Moster products look like the silver and black Rotels. But, the power conditioner aspect kind of took over.

I think I'll repost my power question under a new clearer subject title, with perhaps some feedback.

[aud19]

By the way Glenn although I know nothing about them I've heard the Richard Gray's are awesome... If I only had the budget...lol

J.R.




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