Oppo BDP-103 and BDP-105 News

[Blindamood]

Some very interesting new features coming...click the link below and scroll waaaaaaay down to see CEDIA coverage on the forthcoming models.

CEDIA 2012 - Oppo

[stuofsci02]

Some very interesting new features coming...click the link below and scroll waaaaaaay down to see CEDIA coverage on the forthcoming models.

CEDIA 2012 - Oppo

That is huge... The BDP-105 has digital inputs so you can use it as a DAC!

[bigburner]

That is huge... The BDP-105 has digital inputs so you can use it as a DAC!

I'm a BDP-95 owner but I'm not tempted to upgrade to this new Oppo because I enjoy my external DAC just as much as I enjoy the Oppo's DAC. Having a choice is a luxury that I really appreciate.

Having said that I am full of admiration for Oppo. They are a leader in this industry.

Nigel.

[Blindamood]

I'm tempted primarily because I skipped a generation...I'm still on the BDP-83. What I like most about Oppo is their excellent support and continuing updates to their existing models.

[madmac]

Oh MY!!!!

Oppo is great.....The best actually.

[impala454]

Same as Brad, still have the 83. Doubtful I'll upgrade though until I get a newer TV. Looks awesome though, as does the tons of other stuff in that guy's blog!

[stuofsci02]

The fact that it does digital input is huge IMO.. I have been very happy with my 83SE, but I wish I could run my Squeezebox through it.

I have compared a number of DACs to my 83SE including the Bryston BDA-1 at $2k. The Oppo compared very well with each and I could barely tell a difference if any when going between the Oppo and the BDA-1.

If the BDP-105 can be used as an external DAC, and is as good as the 83SE, the decision will be very easy for me..

[audioqueso]

Wow. They listened.
People have been asking to be able to use the BDP-95 as a DAC for a long time... and now it's happening. Awesome.
I never picked one up, but now I have reason to. :B

[aarsoe]

Digital input is nice but to me the bigger news is HDMI input. This means you can use the picture processing on your crummy cable box or setopbox. That is a first for a blue-ray player or DVD player as far as I know.
So just waiting for the website to accept orders.

[Blindamood]

BDP-103 Officially Announced!

Oppo now has the BDP-103 details listed on their site!

And so far a placeholder for the BDP-105...

[Blindamood]

What do you think is the coolest new feature on the BDP-103? I like the HDMI *IN* connection. Now you can run your cable box (or other device) into the Oppo and use its video processing capabilities to enhance the picture. In addition, you would potentially not need an HDMI switch if only using the two devices (as I have). This would be great for those with a two-channel setup with no video switching...

[HedgeHog]

I think being able to use its internal vid proc and DAC is cool but does that means you have to run the Oppo everytime you watch TV?

I wished it would upgrade its tray to something more stout as well.

[Ovation]

I'm covered with my existing gear but if I were looking for a universal player, this would be at the top of my list (and will be my recommendation to anyone who wants such a player).

[Blindamood]

I think being able to use its internal vid proc and DAC is cool but does that means you have to run the Oppo everytime you watch TV?

Yes, you'd have to run the Oppo whenever you want to watch a source plugged into either of the HDMI IN inputs (back or front). The same would be true when using it as a DAC, just as you would with any external DAC. If you've got a universal remote, this would be pretty straightforward though.

[Blindamood]

I'm covered with my existing gear but if I were looking for a universal player, this would be at the top of my list (and will be my recommendation to anyone who wants such a player).

Yeah, it's pretty nice that they're adding features, but keeping this one at the same price as the previous generation...$499. It appears that the BDP-105, however, may go up a bit ($1199 vs. $999).

[Chris D]

Very cool. I'm STILL using my original PS3 as my BD player, and it's doing just as well as ever. Whenever I do buy another BD player, though, it will almost certainly be an Oppo.

[Ovation]

My original "fat" PS3 is going strong for BD and SACD too. But Oppo's new offerings, WITHOUT fans, are tempting. My only issue with my PS3 is the fan noise--I cope by having it in another room, tethered by a long HDMI cable to the AVR and relying on the excellent bluetooth remote (all remotes should be bluetooth).

[Blindamood]

Additional details...

Oppo BDP-103 and BDP-105 Interview

[John Holmes]

Very cool. I'm STILL using my original PS3 as my BD player, and it's doing just as well as ever. Whenever I do buy another BD player, though, it will almost certainly be an Oppo.

+1

And like Ovation, my only issue with my original 80gb PS3, is fan noise at low level listening. Other than that, still a very solid Blu-ray player.

[Blindamood]

The BDP-103 is now in the hands of (or on the way to) many who signed up for notification. The general public should see it in another week or two, apparently.

[madmac]

The BDP-103 is now in the hands of (or on the way to) many who signed up for notification. The general public should see it in another week or two, apparently.

OH MY GADDD!!!! :E

[bigburner]

Mein Gott im Himmel!!!!

[Ovation]

Mon Dieu!!!!!

[Blindamood]

BDP-103 Now available

Received an email from Oppo yesterday afternoon announcing that the BDP-103 is now available for regular order!

Thank you for your interest in the new OPPO BDP-103. The wait is over - the new OPPO BDP-103 is now available for purchase on our website at http://www.oppodigital.com.

We thank you for your patience and greatly appreciate your support.

High Definition Video and Audio from All Sources.
The BDP-103 represents a marked evolution in OPPO's design and engineering. New to this model are exciting features such as 4k video up-scaling, 2D to 3D conversion, dual HDMI inputs and MHL compatibility. A new dual-core System-on-Chip processor delivers quick startup and fast disc loading speed. With improved network streaming applications and an enriched media playback interface, the BDP-103 is a versatile player that delivers quality picture and premium sound.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

[Chris D]

Wow, huge price jump from the 103 to the 105.

I'm intruiged.

[HedgeHog]

Oppo posted the official specs for the BDP-105: http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/

[Hdale85]

Well the price of the one with the ESS Sabre DAC has always been a good bit more.

[Hdale85]

Looks like they've really upped the quality of their transports these days as well.

[madmac]

When someone actually buys one of these units, I am interested to hear a review. I hope they up'd the quality of the drawer from the BDP-95 unit.

[HedgeHog]

I'm actually want to replace my 95 with the 105...HDMI in, headphone jack, no fans, better tray, upconverting PVR... :drool:

For the record, manual's up too: http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP9...ual_v1.5.1.pdf

[Chris D]

Got an E-mail this morning that the 105 is now available for purchase.

[aarsoe]

Has anyone actually compared CD playback using analogue XLR out between the BDP-95 and the BDP-105?
Have looked at all the available tests but none of them give a clear answer.
Supposedly the BDP-105 have better layout and implementation but the BDP-95 was stacking the DACs to get better S/N numbers. So in the end it could mean a tie or that the old one was better.
Can someone with access to both help with an answer before I get the 105.

[HedgeHog]

Has anyone actually compared CD playback using analogue XLR out between the BDP-95 and the BDP-105?
Have looked at all the available tests but none of them give a clear answer.
Supposedly the BDP-105 have better layout and implementation but the BDP-95 was stacking the DACs to get better S/N numbers. So in the end it could mean a tie or that the old one was better.
Can someone with access to both help with an answer before I get the 105.

I have mine since last week.

According to Oppo, the 105 benchmarks better (slightly higher S/N) even though they are no longer stacking the dedicated stereo outs. They made improvements elsewhere which compensates/surpasses the 95's performance. I know the ppl on diyaudio is apprehensive about the design of the 105 (especially about coupling capacitors...I'm not an EE so I forgot which got what). Also, the 105 reduces clocks from 3 to 1.

For me, I found out-of-the-box the 105 to be as good as the 95 (now 1 yr old). Still as airy and open sounding but slightly warmer. It's not night-and-day so I wouldn't replace the 95 just for sonics; although, doing so is not a bad thing.

The other benefits are nice...I've only tried 2 headphones on it and both sound good. The Grado SR60i is easier to drive and I run it at volume level 50-55. The Senheiser 540 Reference takes 90-95 to drive it and it gets a bit sharp, to my ears.

On the video side, BD looks better (sharper and richer colours) even though it's the same processor and nothing really changed. I found the DVD I tried didn't upconvert as nicely as the 95 (although I don't really play DVD anymore).

Back to audio, the Gracenote is nice but you have to have the TV on so it won't display on Pure Audio mode. Wished it can pump that info over to the remote app (was told they did not license for outputting to that).

No fans is good but now I can hear the drive motor more since the chassis top is perforated. Not as irritating (to me) as the fan but definitely not silent.

Faster processor is not noticeably faster to load a disc. The 95 is still very fast. The StandBy does boot the unit up faster and is required for the remote app to wake the device up. Energy Saving mode is good for very low power consumption when off.

The actual remote control is now white light instead of amberish. I like it. Still not super responsive (requires clicking again to register sometimes).

Anyway, that's that. I'm awaiting the final upgrade mods from Modwright to see if it's worth making the 105 into a giant killer.

Cheers,
-Hedwig

[Hdale85]

Hmm...maybe I can pick up a BDP-95 for a good price if people are upgrading lol

[HedgeHog]

Hmm...maybe I can pick up a BDP-95 for a good price if people are upgrading lol

Apparently, there are lots on 'gon. Guess the 105 is worth double-dipping. Dan Wright (of Modwright) evens says the stock 105 is excellent: http://www.modwright.com/blog/post.p...103-and-bdp105 .

[Hdale85]

Well upon reading some publicity out there supposedly a "popular modder" for the Original 93SE did the work on the analog sections of the 103 and 105.

[aarsoe]

HedgeHog

Thanks - you are somehow confirming what I had come to believe - namely that this is more a sidestep than anything else - as long as we are talking sound wise.

So the question now for me is how long this player will last.

We know that the 4K mode on it is not what will most likely be the new standard for HDMI. 4K in 24P is simply not enough, so I consider that a nice to have spec more than anything else. The scaling and HDMI in is nice but in all honesty the only real new thing.
Should point out that I have never been hearing the fan in my BDP-95, so no issue there.
Hmm - difficult..

[HedgeHog]

Hi Aarsoe,

If that's the case, you may want to consider someone in your area that offers mods. Modders over here like Ric Shultz of EVS (www.tweakaudio.com) and Dan Wright of Modwright (www.modwright.com) do some magic to improve the unit a lot.

I might consider doing mods to mine even though the stock unit is very good. I'm awaiting a few early adopters to review the mods first.

For the record, I've pulled out my headphones and have been listening till 2-3am lately. Reminds me of when I was younger.

Cheers,
-H

HedgeHog

Thanks - you are somehow confirming what I had come to believe - namely that this is more a sidestep than anything else - as long as we are talking sound wise.

So the question now for me is how long this player will last.

We know that the 4K mode on it is not what will most likely be the new standard for HDMI. 4K in 24P is simply not enough, so I consider that a nice to have spec more than anything else. The scaling and HDMI in is nice but in all honesty the only real new thing.
Should point out that I have never been hearing the fan in my BDP-95, so no issue there.
Hmm - difficult..

[Hdale85]

Shouldn't be anything wrong with 4k at 24p, your projector would scale the 24p to 48hz or 72hz (hopefully the later) to make a smooth picture. The same thing it does currently for 108024p content. Scaling 4k material on this machine is meant for blu-ray content, there isn't any need to scale the refresh rate, just the resolution.