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  • spykids777
    Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 69

    Any experience with Classe CA 5300

    Hi,

    I had posted this quest in the Classe Club with no response from owners. Anyone who has purchased / auditioned the CA 5300 - what are your thoughts? Have you compared it to the Mac's?

    Any input is appreciated.
  • wettou
    Ultra Senior Member
    • May 2006
    • 3389

    #2
    Originally posted by spykids777
    Hi,

    I had posted this quest in the Classe Club with no response from owners. Anyone who has purchased / auditioned the CA 5300 - what are your thoughts? Have you compared it to the Mac's?

    Any input is appreciated.
    I heard it and it is very nice, I am contemplating the CA-M600
    Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    • spykids777
      Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 69

      #3
      Any likes or dislikes? Any reason for going with the CA-M600 and not CA 5300?

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      • wettou
        Ultra Senior Member
        • May 2006
        • 3389

        #4
        Originally posted by spykids777
        Any likes or dislikes? Any reason for going with the CA-M600 and not CA 5300?
        Sound is very detailed, I worry about fan failure! I am contemplating 800Diamonds so I will need the power :T
        Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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        • spykids777
          Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 69

          #5
          Originally posted by wettou
          Sound is very detailed, I worry about fan failure! I am contemplating 800Diamonds so I will need the power :T
          Thanks for your input. How is the fan sound? I am thinking of Bi-amp my front two 803D with them and get the full 600W!

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          • Kal Rubinson
            Super Senior Member
            • Mar 2006
            • 2109

            #6
            Originally posted by spykids777
            I am thinking of Bi-amp my front two 803D with them and get the full 600W!
            You will not "get the full 600W" by bi-amping. You will only get an incremental increase in effective available power.

            Kal
            Kal Rubinson
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            • wettou
              Ultra Senior Member
              • May 2006
              • 3389

              #7
              Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
              You will not "get the full 600W" by bi-amping. You will only get an incremental increase in effective available power.

              Kal
              Correct now you could bridge the CA-5300 and get more power!

              Kal what is you opinion with 800Diamond

              - Monoblocks CA-M600
              or
              - CA-5300 Bi-Amping?
              Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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              • mjb
                Super Senior Member
                • Mar 2005
                • 1483

                #8
                Originally posted by wettou
                Correct now you could bridge the CA-5300 and get more power!
                Probably not. Its probably already internally bridged, the CA-M400 is...
                - Mike

                Main System:
                B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
                Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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                • Kal Rubinson
                  Super Senior Member
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 2109

                  #9
                  Originally posted by wettou
                  Kal what is you opinion with 800Diamond

                  - Monoblocks CA-M600
                  or
                  - CA-5300 Bi-Amping?
                  Dunno but I am expecting the monoblocs soon. :T
                  Kal Rubinson
                  _______________________________
                  "Music in the Round"
                  Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                  http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                  • spykids777
                    Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 69

                    #10
                    Hi, I am new to this but I am learning. What do you mean by bridging?

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                    • stuofsci02
                      Super Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 1241

                      #11
                      Bridging it where you take two channels of an amplifier and tie them together (bridge them) to drive a single load. In essense this doubles the output voltage. Assuming the amp has enough current capacity it is said that this can mean 4 times the power output. In most cases this is not accurate however. If the amp was stable into an 8 ohm and 4 ohm load non-bridged it really should only be used on a 8 ohm load bridged.
                      Main System:
                      B&W 801D
                      Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
                      Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
                      Oppo BDP-105
                      Squeezebox Touch


                      Second System:
                      B&W CM7
                      Emotiva UMC-1
                      Emotiva UPA-2
                      Oppo BDP-83SE
                      Grant Fidelity DAC-09

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                      • spykids777
                        Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 69

                        #12
                        Originally posted by stuofsci02
                        Bridging it where you take two channels of an amplifier and tie them together (bridge them) to drive a single load. In essense this doubles the output voltage. Assuming the amp has enough current capacity it is said that this can mean 4 times the power output. In most cases this is not accurate however. If the amp was stable into an 8 ohm and 4 ohm load non-bridged it really should only be used on a 8 ohm load bridged.
                        So how would I do that with the CA5300? Any place that you can refer me to - like with pictures?

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                        • stuofsci02
                          Super Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 1241

                          #13
                          Originally posted by spykids777
                          So how would I do that with the CA5300? Any place that you can refer me to - like with pictures?
                          I would doubt that you can do it with the 5300. The manufacturer has to design the two bridging channels to be backwards from each other and then usually will have a bridge switch. This is often done on stereo amps so that you can run them in Mono. I have not seen it done on a Multichannel amp before.
                          Main System:
                          B&W 801D
                          Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
                          Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
                          Oppo BDP-105
                          Squeezebox Touch


                          Second System:
                          B&W CM7
                          Emotiva UMC-1
                          Emotiva UPA-2
                          Oppo BDP-83SE
                          Grant Fidelity DAC-09

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                          • spykids777
                            Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 69

                            #14
                            Originally posted by stuofsci02
                            I would doubt that you can do it with the 5300. The manufacturer has to design the two bridging channels to be backwards from each other and then usually will have a bridge switch. This is often done on stereo amps so that you can run them in Mono. I have not seen it done on a Multichannel amp before.
                            Thanks for the info.

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                            • Kal Rubinson
                              Super Senior Member
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 2109

                              #15
                              Originally posted by stuofsci02
                              I would doubt that you can do it with the 5300. The manufacturer has to design the two bridging channels to be backwards from each other and then usually will have a bridge switch. This is often done on stereo amps so that you can run them in Mono.
                              Actually, it can be done with most amps that are not already bridged internally. All you have to do is provide an inverted signal to one channel and a non-inverted one to the other. In the old days, there were adapters available to do this but, today, it is most easily done with balanced input amps by switching the internal wiring in an XLR cable.

                              I have not seen it done on a Multichannel amp before.
                              I cannot recall specifics but, somehow, I think this does exist.
                              Kal Rubinson
                              _______________________________
                              "Music in the Round"
                              Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                              http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                              • Glen B
                                Super Senior Member
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 1106

                                #16
                                Originally posted by spykids777
                                So how would I do that with the CA5300? Any place that you can refer me to - like with pictures?
                                When a stereo amplifier is bridged, each channel is driven out of phase to the other, so that one amplifies the non-inverted or positive half of the input signal and the other channel amplifies the inverted or negative half of the signal. The speakers are connected to each channel's positive output terminal. The negative output terminals are NOT attached to anything. In order for an amplifier to be bridged, it must either come with that feature built in, or an adapter can be used, which will feed the non-inverted/inverted signals into the appropriate amplifier inputs.



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                                • wettou
                                  Ultra Senior Member
                                  • May 2006
                                  • 3389

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by spykids777
                                  Thanks for the info.
                                  Classé had mentioned that he could be done with the CA-5200, I have the pdf from Classé :T
                                  Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                                  • spykids777
                                    Member
                                    • Dec 2010
                                    • 69

                                    #18
                                    Hi,

                                    I just talked to Classe tech support. I am told this amp is NOT bridgeable. My only option is to bi-amp the speakers. Thougght I would pass it along.

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                                    • wettou
                                      Ultra Senior Member
                                      • May 2006
                                      • 3389

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by spykids777
                                      Hi,

                                      I just talked to Classe tech support. I am told this amp is NOT bridgeable. My only option is to bi-amp the speakers. Thougght I would pass it along.
                                      Robert? Yes just get the best mono amp you can get
                                      Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                                      • stuofsci02
                                        Super Senior Member
                                        • Nov 2009
                                        • 1241

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                                        Actually, it can be done with most amps that are not already bridged internally. All you have to do is provide an inverted signal to one channel and a non-inverted one to the other. In the old days, there were adapters available to do this but, today, it is most easily done with balanced input amps by switching the internal wiring in an XLR cable.

                                        I cannot recall specifics but, somehow, I think this does exist.

                                        Agreed, but modification is necessary (or external device).
                                        Main System:
                                        B&W 801D
                                        Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
                                        Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
                                        Oppo BDP-105
                                        Squeezebox Touch


                                        Second System:
                                        B&W CM7
                                        Emotiva UMC-1
                                        Emotiva UPA-2
                                        Oppo BDP-83SE
                                        Grant Fidelity DAC-09

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                                        • Kal Rubinson
                                          Super Senior Member
                                          • Mar 2006
                                          • 2109

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by stuofsci02
                                          Agreed, but modification is necessary (or external device).
                                          The modification is in the external device, a cable.
                                          Kal Rubinson
                                          _______________________________
                                          "Music in the Round"
                                          Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                                          http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                                          • wettou
                                            Ultra Senior Member
                                            • May 2006
                                            • 3389

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                                            The modification is in the external device, a cable.
                                            Yes, pm me if you want the pdf
                                            Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                                            • Kal Rubinson
                                              Super Senior Member
                                              • Mar 2006
                                              • 2109

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by wettou
                                              Yes, pm me if you want the pdf
                                              Of what?
                                              Kal Rubinson
                                              _______________________________
                                              "Music in the Round"
                                              Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                                              http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                                              • wettou
                                                Ultra Senior Member
                                                • May 2006
                                                • 3389

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                                                Of what?
                                                Of the Classé document showing how to bridge the older Delta Amps.

                                                Have you reviewed the CA-M600, I can't remember if I asked the question. Hopefully you are using them with the B&W 800Diamond
                                                Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                                                • Kal Rubinson
                                                  Super Senior Member
                                                  • Mar 2006
                                                  • 2109

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by wettou
                                                  Of the Classé document showing how to bridge the older Delta Amps.
                                                  No thanks.

                                                  Have you reviewed the CA-M600, I can't remember if I asked the question.
                                                  Nope. Nope.

                                                  Hopefully you are using them with the B&W 800Diamond
                                                  I will be.
                                                  Kal Rubinson
                                                  _______________________________
                                                  "Music in the Round"
                                                  Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                                                  http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                                                  • whoaru99
                                                    Senior Member
                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                    • 638

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Glen B
                                                    When a stereo amplifier is bridged, each channel is driven out of phase to the other, so that one amplifies the non-inverted or positive half of the input signal and the other channel amplifies the inverted or negative half of the signal. The speakers are connected to each channel's positive output terminal. The negative output terminals are NOT attached to anything. In order for an amplifier to be bridged, it must either come with that feature built in, or an adapter can be used, which will feed the non-inverted/inverted signals into the appropriate amplifier inputs.
                                                    Point of clarification...the whole waveform is amplified on the normal and inverted channels (basically mirror image output), not just the positive half and negative half, yes?
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                                                    There are some things which are impossible to know, but it is impossible to know which things these are. :scratchhead:

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                                                    • whoaru99
                                                      Senior Member
                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                      • 638

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by stuofsci02
                                                      Bridging it where you take two channels of an amplifier and tie them together (bridge them) to drive a single load. In essense this doubles the output voltage. Assuming the amp has enough current capacity it is said that this can mean 4 times the power output. In most cases this is not accurate however. If the amp was stable into an 8 ohm and 4 ohm load non-bridged it really should only be used on a 8 ohm load bridged.
                                                      Bridged power is easy to figure based on the amp's non-bridged ratings.

                                                      Say the amp is rated 100wpc @ 8 ohms, 150wpc @ 4 ohms, and 200wpc @ 2 ohms.

                                                      Bridged, this amp would be 200W @ 16 ohms, 300W @ 8 ohms, and 400W @ 4 ohms. Since the example amp is not rated for 1 ohm stereo operation, bridged operation at 2 ohms would not be recommended.
                                                      There are some things which are impossible to know, but it is impossible to know which things these are. :scratchhead:

                                                      ----JAFFE'S PRECEPT

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                                                      • Kal Rubinson
                                                        Super Senior Member
                                                        • Mar 2006
                                                        • 2109

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by whoaru99
                                                        Point of clarification...the whole waveform is amplified on the normal and inverted channels (basically mirror image output), not just the positive half and negative half, yes?
                                                        Yes.
                                                        Kal Rubinson
                                                        _______________________________
                                                        "Music in the Round"
                                                        Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                                                        http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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