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  • wettou
    Ultra Senior Member
    • May 2006
    • 3398

    #46
    Sony SCD-XA5400ES First Review

    Sony SCD-XA5400ES review

    Unfortunately it does not comment on the multi-channel SACD performance of the XA5400ES which would for many the main reason to purchase




    Thanks to new technologies, Sony's long-awaited new CD/SACD player has state-of-the-art potential

    After four years in the wilderness, Sony is back with an incredible new flagship CD/SACD player, the SCDXA5400ES.

    It bristles with technology, much of which is new, or new at least, to Sony. At first glance, it's a dead ringer for Sony's previous SACD player, the SCD-XA9000ES. From the front they look practically identical, although the control functions have been shuffled around.

    The display is broadly similar, however, and the loading drawer and physical construction are closely related. The new model shares the 9000's superbly engineered smooth-running drawer mechanism, a headphone volume control and Sony's usual ratcheted track change rotary control that makes day to day operation so quick and so responsive. Viewed from the back the difference is more obvious.

    The biggest obvious difference from the 9000 is that the new model is stereo-only in its baseline standard trim. The ability to run a multichannel set-up has been retained, but is only accessible via HDMI.

    This typically means using an HDMI-equipped multichannel amplifier such as the new Sony STR-DA2400ES, which has four HDMI inputs (a sample of which was supplied by Sony for this test).

    This is also a moderately affordable AV receiver and, for that reason, a less than optimal choice than the more high-end SCDXA5400 in this application. More on this a bit later, which will also include something on what Sony's HDMI has to do with HATS (High-quality digital Audio Transfer System) . In the meantime, optical and coaxial outputs have been retained, but only for CD.

    Improved sonic purity


    This is not the first Sony SACD player to boast a digital output, but the optical and coaxial output on previous models, including the 9000, were limited to 16-bit CD resolution and Sony's iLink did not deal directly with DSD, but a PCM (and inevitably degraded) representation of it. DSD is the native file format of SACD, though some SACD's take their DSD from PCM files.

    This is also the first Sony player with an uncompressed digital output from DSD and the first Sony player to include HATS technology on its HDMI output.

    One of the claimed benefits in this application is that the HDMI interface doesn't mutilate the signal in pass-through mode, so the number of D/A and A/D conversions is reduced, the simpler circuit path translating into upgraded sound quality.

    Sony talk of enhancements to sonic purity and staging, better focus and atmosphere and improved bass and power.

    HATS technology

    HATS addresses the problems of simultaneously communicating six channels of digital data at 2.8224MHz, which would otherwise result in timing (jitter) errors.

    HATS uses an algorithm that rejoices under the title of 'command-based rate control of isochronous data flow' and includes variable speed transmission from the player and a buffer memory in the receiver, an arrangement mediated by a command signal which controls transmission speed, so that jitter performance defaults to the inherent accuracy of the receiver and player master clocks.

    No separate clock connection is required and HATS is unresponsive to the marginally different clock rates you can expect to find in the player and the receiver, which are typically a few tens of ppm (parts per million). An earlier version of HATS was available on the 9000, but using iLink rather than HDMI.

    Even with HATS, the HDMI output is still compatible with the HDMI inputs on other equipment. But full-on DSD with HATS requires a compatible receiver/decoder, such as is fitted to the Sony STR-DA5400ES. The lower-end Sony STR-DA2400 decimates DSD to linear PCM which, if Sony's word is to be taken as read, must be at the cost of ultimate fidelity.



    This is chosen according to data type, a noise shaper for CD and a multi-level D/A converter, which is designed to marry the benefits (preserving dynamic range) and minimise the disadvantages (reducing granularity, edginess and loss of resolving ability) of 1-bit and multi-bit converters.
    A 1-bit decoder LSI handles the table of contents, track number status, timing data and text. CDs are played using the same hardware chain.

    Output is available from single-ended or XLR balanced outputs, which, in turn, are driven by a balanced symmetrical source. This is achieved without introducing rounding-off errors – commonplace with normal SACD digital filters.

    This stage includes an eight-times oversampling digital filter, noise shaping and a multi-level 64fs DAC for SACD and CD alike, as well as a low pass filter for SACD to reduce the burden on the analogue filters. Overall this is a sophisticated and promising package.

    SACD performance

    In many ways, the prospect of a completely new Sony SACD player, especially at the ambitious end of the market, carries particular weight. If for no other reason, than the fact that there's a perception in the industry that SACD is not being promoted proactively and with full vigour by its principal protagonist.

    Generally well-supported by the high-end community, confidence in SACD is also being undermined by other producers and consumers alike.

    In fairness to Sony, the company actually has a good track record in bringing budget SACD models and players to market, but high-quality models have been few and far between and Sony's track record with its SACD release schedule (which has tended to concentrate on PCM transfers) has done little to help. Hopefully this model will do something to redress the balance.

    On merit, it should, as this is a very good player providing the qualities that are required by its target audience. It also does its job with considerable subtlety and grace and, crucially, without costing
    a king's ransom.

    It could be described as a true high-end player without a high-end price and from this point of view it is probably comparable to the Yamaha CD-S2000 CD/SACD player. But without a sample of the Yamaha to hand, we fancy that the Sony is the better CD player of the two.

    Flat imagery


    We still have the Sony XA9000ES, however, so it was interesting to compare a recent SACD of Ravel piano works (on the Linn label).

    On the XA5400ES, the recording has a scintillating quality, a tactile, almost tangible feel as the fingers caress the notes and a palpable increase in tonal variety and colour compared to the 9000, which tended to sound warmer and slightly looser (and mildly defocused in direct comparisons, with flatter stereo imagery).

    We had similar experiences with a range of discs, including Bruckner and Beethoven symphonies from Gunter Wand on SACD, but then it's sometimes worth noting that SACD doesn't necessarily perform better than CD.

    The critical factor appears to be how the raw data is handled at the production stage. When SACD is done right, there is no questioning the final ranking order, with the higher-resolution format sounding more expressive and three dimensional than CD, which opens up the colours and textures of the music.



    One of the best surprises during our time with this player was hearing the way that old, familiar recordings scrubbed up clean under the XA5400ES's electronic gaze.
    A particularly good example was the excellent Keb' Mo' recording of his Just Like You album, where we could hear the improvement even on its first play using the new player, despite not having played it for months – though this was quickly confirmed with the 9000. Via the new player, the sound was simply fresher, more vivid and alive.

    The 9000 by contrast, sounded slightly detached and more distant. Singer Luka Bloom also retained that more tactile, closer quality, with no hint of aggression or the kind of digital evils that often attend a closer musical presentation.

    The future of SACD


    The Sony SCD-XA5400ES is a very impressive player with SACD, yet in some respects an even more impressive one with CD.

    It somehow manages to better the more elderly, but more expensively-engineered SCD-XA9000ES, from which it appears to have been derived. In its time the 9000 set new standards, that others have sometimes equalled, but that have only occasionally bettered.

    It's worth remembering at this point, though, that the old 9000 was no slouch in the same areas where the new model excels. All of which bodes well for the future of SACD and for anyone who cares about sound quality on 12cm optical disc. Excellent news indeed.








    Product Summary

    SCD-XA5400ES


    For

    Better than the previous high-end Sony SACD, the XA9000ES

    Incumbent in more ways than one

    Nice price


    Against

    Not MP3 compliant

    Only access to multichannel operation is via an external HDMI equipped multichannel D/A converter ?
    Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    • Kal Rubinson
      Super Senior Member
      • Mar 2006
      • 2109

      #47
      Originally posted by wettou
      Sony SCD-XA5400ES review

      Unfortunately it does not comment on the multi-channel SACD performance of the XA5400ES which would for many the main reason to purchase
      Mebbe. :W

      BTW, the official word from Sony is that the 5400 will switch to output PCM when connected to a processor that cannot handle DSD. Will try it for myself but not yet.
      Kal Rubinson
      _______________________________
      "Music in the Round"
      Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
      http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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      • wettou
        Ultra Senior Member
        • May 2006
        • 3398

        #48
        Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
        Mebbe. :W

        BTW, the official word from Sony is that the 5400 will switch to output PCM when connected to a processor that cannot handle DSD. Will try it for myself but not yet.
        Kal, Interesting please try because this is what I got from SONY today!!!

        "Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

        Unfortunately, the SCD-XA5400ES will not output multichannel linear PCM via HDMI 1.3, the output will be in stereo. Thank you for your time.

        The Sony Email Response Team"
        :M
        Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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        • wettou
          Ultra Senior Member
          • May 2006
          • 3398

          #49
          Kal's review is available on Stereophile? Anyone knows if Sony has it?
          Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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          • Johnloudb
            Super Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 1913

            #50
            Kal,

            In your review of the Sony XA5400ES you say that the Sony won't down mix a multichannel recording to 2 channel stereo. Do you mean it won't play some multichannel SACD's via it's stereo output?
            John unk:

            "Why can't we all just, get along?" ~ Jack Nicholson (Mars Attacks)

            My Website (hyperacusis, tinnitus, my story)

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            • Kal Rubinson
              Super Senior Member
              • Mar 2006
              • 2109

              #51
              Originally posted by Johnloudb
              Kal,

              In your review of the Sony XA5400ES you say that the Sony won't down mix a multichannel recording to 2 channel stereo. Do you mean it won't play some multichannel SACD's via it's stereo output?
              It will play the 2 channel SACD track. Better than a mixdown any day.

              Kal
              Kal Rubinson
              _______________________________
              "Music in the Round"
              Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
              http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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              • Johnloudb
                Super Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 1913

                #52
                Thanks Kal!!!
                John unk:

                "Why can't we all just, get along?" ~ Jack Nicholson (Mars Attacks)

                My Website (hyperacusis, tinnitus, my story)

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                • Gump
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 522

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                  It will play the 2 channel SACD track. Better than a mixdown any day.

                  Kal
                  Hey Kal!

                  I got my May subscription of Stereophile in the mail awhile ago and put it somewhere safe away from the little kiddies so I could read it later...well, I outsmarted myself cause I haven't been able to find it :E . Oh well, I can wait til it comes out on the website.

                  It sounds like you were impressed with the XA5400es. My first SACD player was an entry level Marantz. I always thought it sounded pretty good until I brought a Linn Unidisk into the house for a demo. The clarity, detail and dynamics of the Linn were stunning. It's still the best SACD player that I've heard to date. I've never heard the XA9000es.

                  Curious if you feel the XA5400es is in the same league (or better) than the Linn?

                  Thanks!

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                  • Kal Rubinson
                    Super Senior Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 2109

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Gump
                    Curious if you feel the XA5400es is in the same league (or better) than the Linn?

                    Thanks!
                    Hard to say specifically as it has been years since I had the Linn in my system.

                    Kal
                    Kal Rubinson
                    _______________________________
                    "Music in the Round"
                    Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                    http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                    • Gump
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 522

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                      Hard to say specifically as it has been years since I had the Linn in my system.

                      Kal
                      Hmmmm....Ok, thanks for the prompt reply.

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                      • wettou
                        Ultra Senior Member
                        • May 2006
                        • 3398

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                        Hard to say specifically as it has been years since I had the Linn in my system.

                        Kal
                        Hello Kal,

                        When is part two ready for the Sony
                        SCD-XA5400ES? Did you compare the sound to the Oppo BDP-83 especially for SACD! My interest are multichannel audio, no more stereo.

                        Of course I would hope that for three times the price it would sound better But then again!!!

                        Also when are you going to review the Classé SSP-800 the release of the new DSP isn't due for an other couple of months
                        Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                        • Gump
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 522

                          #57
                          Originally posted by wettou
                          Hello Kal,

                          When is part two ready for the Sony
                          SCD-XA5400ES? Did you compare the sound to the Oppo BDP-83 especially for SACD! My interest are multichannel audio, no more stereo.

                          Of course I would hope that for three times the price it would sound better But then again!!!

                          Also when are you going to review the Classé SSP-800 the release of the new DSP isn't due for an other couple of months

                          I have been quite impressed with the performance of the Oppo BDP-83 with SACD's. In fact, (at risk of committing the ubiquitous audio review cliche') I put on a SACD to just test the sound on a song or two and ended up listening to several of my SACD's all the way through. They really sounded great to me and a definite improvement over my Oppo DV-981 HD player.

                          Although it has been several years since I heard it, the Linn UniDisk is still the benchmark in my recollection for SACD. But, especially for the price, this Oppo BDP-83 is pretty darn good. I am also curious how it compares to the Sony XA-5400ES.

                          As far as the SSP-800 review goes, my guess is that Kal's reply will be similar to the last 10 or 20 times he's been asked that---He'll review it as soon as Classe sends him one :B .

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                          • peter_m
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 227

                            #58
                            Need suggestion

                            Any suggestion for a CD player to replace my 19 year old Sony player?

                            Doesn't have to be a Sony. My budget is $100-150 max.

                            Anyone know these:
                            http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product....A&Sp=C&topnav=

                            http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product....A&Sp=C&topnav=



                            Peter

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                            • Race Car Driver
                              Super Senior Member
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 1540

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Gump
                              Hey Kal!

                              I got my May subscription of Stereophile in the mail awhile ago and put it somewhere safe away from the little kiddies so I could read it later...well, I outsmarted myself cause I haven't been able to find it :E . Oh well, I can wait til it comes out on the website.

                              It sounds like you were impressed with the XA5400es. My first SACD player was an entry level Marantz. I always thought it sounded pretty good until I brought a Linn Unidisk into the house for a demo. The clarity, detail and dynamics of the Linn were stunning. It's still the best SACD player that I've heard to date. I've never heard the XA9000es.

                              Curious if you feel the XA5400es is in the same league (or better) than the Linn?

                              Thanks!
                              Ever listen to the Sony SCD-1?
                              B&W

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                              • Gump
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 522

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Race Car Driver
                                Ever listen to the Sony SCD-1?
                                Hey Christopher!

                                Actually, I had not even heard of the SCD-1. The reviews certainly make it sound like it's at the top of the CDP food chain. The reviews I read were from the 1990's; does Sony even still make it?

                                Besides, I strictly base all of my audio purchasing decisions on Kal's reviews and, frankly he needs to up his game here a little bit.... .

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                                • Kal Rubinson
                                  Super Senior Member
                                  • Mar 2006
                                  • 2109

                                  #61
                                  Originally posted by Gump
                                  Hey Kal!

                                  I got my May subscription of Stereophile in the mail awhile ago and put it somewhere safe away from the little kiddies so I could read it later...well, I outsmarted myself cause I haven't been able to find it :E . Oh well, I can wait til it comes out on the website.
                                  Page 47 in my copy.

                                  Kal
                                  Kal Rubinson
                                  _______________________________
                                  "Music in the Round"
                                  Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                                  http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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