Marantz DV 9600 question about Kris Deering's Secret's Review?????

**JonMarsh** · 13 June 2006, 15:56 Tuesday

If you use the built in bass management capability of a player like the DV9600, the DSD has to be converted to PCM to be processed and provide the time offsets, (internal DSP), then is converted to analog via PCM output of the processor.

If your processor provides bass management, then it's doing the same thing. None of the available DSP chips used in surround processors can process a DSD signal.

Personally, I think one is better having separate music and HT systems, partly to avoid these kinds of issues, but of course that's not always possible. You still may be very happy with the results. Personally, I find the setup typicall required in HT to accomodate screen placement is less than optimum for music reproduction, but quite adequate for what most folks expect of HT.

OTOTH, have you ever heard HT on a setup well optimized for imaging and wideband audio without a conventional HT processor? i.e., high grade 2.1? that can be a real treat....

~Jon

**chinets** · 14 June 2006, 08:26 Wednesday

Thanks JonMarsh,
I really appreciate all your kind comments.

What I did not understand and still can't figure this out, is where is the bass Managment on my Marantz DV 9600. I can't find it in the manual althought everyone states that the DV 9600 has bass management. I can only bass manage on my Rotel processor 1098?? Can you help me find this DV9600 bass management everyone is talking about??

From what I understand from you JonMarsh is that true SA-Cd will not sound correct or in its original form DSD in 5.1 right???????
In multi-Channel DVD-A ,does sound correct in 5.1 and that is analog? Well when I put an SA-CD and flip it into extension or Multi-Channel in Analog wouldn't that give me the correct DSD sound in 5.1 that i am looking for.?? Well the DVD-A and the SA-CD sound very much the same in Multi-Channel 6 ouput Analog ,so isn't this way correct or am I loosing the point or did not understand you well. So how would you get true DSD??????????

I don't like 2 channel , so NO, I have never heard HT on a setup without a processor in 2.1!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would very much appreciate you answering the above questions as I am totally lost here.

Thanks in advance for your kind help and advice,
Cheers,
Chinets

**JonMarsh** · 14 June 2006, 11:20 Wednesday

There are many variables in a system, and the conversion from DSD to PCM prior to D/A is only one- many other factors may be the limiting issue, not high resolution PCM or it's differences.

One reason conversion of DSD to PCM has gotten a bad name in some quarters is some of the players (like an early Pioneer two channel universal model), which did so in the main DAC, and had rather lackluster sonics. It's as much a question of the quality of the implementation as the principle. High grade high clock frequency PCM (say, 24/96 or 24/192) can sound very good. And it can also be mediocre, as clock quality and overall design practices become even more critical as you raise the operating frequency and bit depth for PCM.

I prefer two channel SACD in most cases, and the performance of the higher end stereo players, but you can get very good multi-channel SACD; there's just no reason you have to run it through an HT processor; you can use the direct analog outputs in 3, 4, or 5 channel (some of my favorite multichannel SACD recordings are the Living Stereo RCA SACD releases which reproduce the original 3 channel/ 3 microphone mix from the recordings.

Like Widescreen review, I do subscribe to the concept that multi-channel shouild be implemented with speakers of identical capability and voicing. But that is expensive and takes up more room than many are willing to give. An interesting surround effect can be had with a more conventional HT speaker setup, and for many that will suffice, as the novelty of discrete surround and ambiance reproduction is what they're looking for. Still, you wouldn't want to set up most HT's with the surrounds in the front, and that should give you a clue about their adequacy by some standards for full range music.

The nice thing about this technology is that there are different ways to implement your system depending on what your preferences, desires, and budget are. Most folks wouldn't ante up for Cardas Golden Reference speaker cables for a 5 channel system, now, would they? But they can put a nice sounding system together at a price that makes sense for them.

I've never used a Marantz DV9600, so I can't speak to any bass management features it may have. This are normally available only on the analog multi-channel outputs, and considering it's universal format, with DVD-V and DVD-A, it "should" have bass management.

**chinets** · 20 June 2006, 08:09 Tuesday

Thanks JonMarsh,
You are so knowlegable about this stuff ,it really impresses me!!!!
I appreciate the time you took to help me!!!! Sorry, as I took a lot of your time judging from the Long answer that you responded.
Have a wonderful day,
Cheers

Marantz DV 9600 question about Kris Deering's Secret's Review?????

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