Large.. Dual 15" RL-p Unit

[steve nn]

I'd sand for a few beers.

I wouldn't mind some help and if a few beers will do it, then I'll pick up a case. The sanding and the staining has been done minus the varathane. The stripe took one coat while the enclosure took about five or six. I definitely under estimated the finish process which is turning out to be a week long project as apposed to taking three days to build the sub itself. If I would have bought full 48 X 96 panels of veneer it would have helped out immensely, instead of fitting the 24 X 48 sheets. After three or four coats of varathane I'll need to tackle the baffle mounts with paint..black or brown and do the veneer like I did a few projects back?? No complaints so far though..it's taking on the look I envisioned.

[Hdale85]

Thats awsome looking! :B

[Exocer]

Looking good :T

[ThomasW]

I definitely under estimated the finish process which is turning out to be a week long project as apposed to taking three days to build the sub itself.

Welcome to the world of finish carpentry.....:wink:

[dyazdani]

Yeah, mine went the exact same way...

[Brian Bunge]

Steve,

Imagine doing it in a non-airconditioned, humid shop where the poly never dries completely....even after a week!

Hey, post some links to higher rez pics will ya!

[steve nn]

Thats awsome looking! :B

Looking good :T

Thanks guys! After the first coat of varathane it's taking on another look.

Welcome to the world of finish carpentry.....

Is that what this is?..maybe I can put that on my resume if I ever get the boot then.

Yeah, mine went the exact same way...

You know I wouldn't say the staining or varathane takes that long, but it's the multiple applications that it takes if your looking for a certain shade along with all the prep. Each one of the stripes had to be done individually and then glued in place after the unit was stained first. Getting the cuts straight required sanding on account of the cheap box knife wasn't so straight, not mentioning getting them laid straight. Each piece required filler under it, which required more fitting and sanding..I better quit ranting, but I think you get the idea and know from doing it yourself.

[steve nn]

Imagine doing it in a non-airconditioned, humid shop where the poly never dries completely....even after a week!

That would be horrible! Another thing about heat is the overlap it makes so easy to happen on a larger project.

Hey, post some links to higher rez pics will ya!

Sure!..after I have all the mistakes hidden away.:B No I would be glad to when its finished.

[---k---]

Looking real good.

there is a reason mine are flat black paint.

[steve nn]

Looking real good.there is a reason mine are flat black paint.

I'm with ya Ryan. Putting varathane on a project is like putting a magnifying glass to it. It's not perfect by a long shot, but hopefully at least the builder will be the only to notice...it is troublesome though. In a certain light a guy can see where I should have sanded the MDF more. Luckily it's home is a darker corner with curtain panels behind it. There's plainly to many arias for a greenhorn like me to go wrong. ops:

[SteveCallas]

Very nice. Any plans on doing something with the port? Maybe spray it black, or use a grill?

[steve nn]

Very nice. Any plans on doing something with the port? Maybe spray it black, or use a grill?

I was eyeing a grill at our local RS, but the idea of painting it seems logical to. Since it's capability exceeds my requirements in headroom, I think the grill is the way I'll go. I had planned on picking it up the day I was in there, (RS) but I got sidetracked on what ever my main purpose was at the time.

[dyazdani]

Very nice. Any plans on doing something with the port? Maybe spray it black, or use a grill?

Better use a grill, that thing could suck in a cat or small child :rofl:

[SteveCallas]

I was eyeing a grill at our local RS, but the idea of painting it seems logical to. Since it's capability exceeds my requirements in headroom, I think the grill is the way I'll go. I had planned on picking it up the day I was in there, (RS) but I got sidetracked on what ever my main purpose was at the time.

Small tip - go for a 15" grill. 10" won't fit and 12" will barely give you any clearance.

[steve nn]

Small tip - go for a 15" grill. 10" won't fit and 12" will barely give you any clearance.

It was a 12" that I was looking at, but after measuring it off I can see maybe 15" very well could be way to go. I'll have to take a look over at PE and see what they have. I'm pretty sure 12" was the largest RS had? I'll be sure to check their site out first and see what the skinny is.

Better use a grill, that thing could suck in a cat or small child:rofl:

We do have a cat come to think of it.:E

[steve nn]

I decided to call it quits for now since the drying time with the varathane is coming in at least a day before I would feel comfortable sanding...the 3-4 hr suggested drying time isn't cutting it. I'll finish it off over the next month or so. There's to many things piling up around here and I'm tired of the mess, not to mention the wife.

I decided to mix a little kona brown paint with some stain for the baffle to see how it would turn out due to I had no veneer left. After another coat along with picking up a port grill, I think it'll look good. Not to brag, but imo it's the nicest looking and performing sub I've ever had. This project definitely put me over the top regarding my obsession with DIY for awhile though. Worth all the effort considering the feeling a guy gets when he looks over in the corner and views something he built himself. :td:

[chasw98]

Steve:
Now that is pretty damn nice :T You could probably put another months work of time in and only be a little bit better. I found that was true when I went for glossy piano black on my sub and it ended up taking more time to finish than anything else! It looks great. Good job.

[Paul H]

... There's to many things piling up around here and I'm tired of the mess, not to mention the wife.

A guy could get in trouble with his wife depending on how that was interpreted


Beautiful job on that sub :T

Paul

[Hdale85]

That thing just looks amazing :B, I'm undecided what i want to do when i build my towers i want to do baltic birch ply because it'll be lighters but i love the look of the veneer's so much better I'm just not sure of my ability to veneer. You did an awsome job though!

[steve nn]

You could probably put another months work of time in and only be a little bit better. I found that was true when I went for glossy piano black on my sub and it ended up taking more time to finish than anything else! It looks great. Good job.

Confirmation on my suspicion, admittedly I'm also a little afraid of fowling it up. I'll wait until the urge drives me to put some more time into DIY and kill two birds with one stone. She is fully dried now though. I also still have that last project to finish that Ilkka simmed up for me that I want to keep.

A guy could get in trouble with his wife depending on how that was interpreted

I noticed that and thought about editing, but in the end I decided to post the plain truth depending on how you read it...either way works to a degree actually.

I'm just not sure of my ability to veneer.

If you can build the Tower's, I have full confidence you could certainly do the veneer. Doing each side with a single panel really simplifies the project and gives you much latitude, as long as you understand a few simple concepts in applying it.

I humbly Thank you all for your compliments.8) The last descriptive I heard concerning this sub from the wife was Monstrosity although she does take pride in it herself. We viewed the Incrediles last night with company and it was all over it with little fanfare...

[ssabripo]

i wish I could post some clever reply on how good it looks, etc, but why? in a nuthshell: Job WELL DONE!!

:T

[steve nn]

i wish I could post some clever reply on how good it looks, etc, but why?

I know how it is Sherv, but coming from a long time acquaintance/friend like you I totally understand and always appreciate your input. You know if I had one thing to do over again with this sub it would be poisoning the bottom driver a little higher. I treated it as two sep enclosures in marking them off. I didn't factor the middle as having X 2 in distance when standing back and looking at it.

[bobgpsr]

Steve,

I am very impressed with the outcome of your project. ;x( Subwoofer performance without compromise and it looks very good! That nice low tune, huge diameter port vent, and two best value 15" drivers. What better use for that space next to your couch. :T

Bob

[SteveCallas]

;x( ;x( ;x( ;x(
Kick ass performance and a kick ass finish, really a great job from start to end.

You know if I had one thing to do over again with this sub it would be poisoning the bottom driver a little higher. I treated it as two sep enclosures in marking them off. I didn't factor the middle as having X 2 in distance when standing back and looking at it

You know what though, the vertical space between the drivers, small as it may be, may actually help cut down on a vertical room node.

Not to brag, but imo it's the nicest looking and performing sub I've ever had. This project definitely put me over the top regarding my obsession with DIY for awhile though. Worth all the effort considering the feeling a guy gets when he looks over in the corner and views something he built himself.

And that's probably half of the satisfaction right there, which is saying a lot when you consider what the sub is capable of.

[FlashJim]

That beast of a sub looks pretty darn nice. Well done!

[WillyD]

I am amazed. What a work of art, both visually and sonically.

[Rene D]

I love it. I almost wish I did something like that design for my mains. As for the sub, I'd do something like that. But if i came home with something that large, The wife would bury me in it. Not to mention I think it'd just be a TAD overkill for an apartment :W

Rene D

[dyazdani]

But if i came home with something that large, The wife would bury me in it.

As long as she leaves the port hole above ground...

[---k---]

Wow! I'm am so impressed! That has to be one of the nicest looking subs I've ever seen. I only wish that I could hear it.

As far as driver spacing, the closer the drivers are to the bottom and top edges, the less flex you will get in the baffle. I think you did it the right way and just didn't know it.

[ssabripo]

I know how it is Sherv, but coming from a long time acquaintance/friend like you I totally understand and always appreciate your input. You know if I had one thing to do over again with this sub it would be poisoning the bottom driver a little higher. I treated it as two sep enclosures in marking them off. I didn't factor the middle as having X 2 in distance when standing back and looking at it.

thanks man....same here on my end :T

I got inspired by you so I just purchased the veneer, the stains/dyes, the glue, roller, etc....all the tools to veneer my sub. Is good to get motivation from each other..hehehe. since I just finished my other project (the Dayton CC), I should have some time now.

as for the vertical distance, don't sweat it. Actually, you did good by leaving it that way: first, it looks better and more symmetric aesthetically. second, you avoid any possibility of vertical node interference in the room. I like it just like it is....keep up the good work! you, me, stevecallas, chuck, and the others, need to keep raising the bar for the new guys :B :rofl:

ps- in case you missed it, completed Center Channel project:

https://www.htguide.com/forum/showpost.php?p=254139&postcount=579

[steve nn]

bobgpsr, SteveCallas, FlashJim, WillyD, Rene D, dyazdani, ---k--- and ssabripo.. Thank you all so much for your nice compliments. I really don't know what to say except to shoot straight from the hip. Those that are in the know regarding myself will tell you I have a way of being my own worst critic, but you guys have given me reason for pause. I'm genially blessed to see how well this project has been received.

I'm very short on time today, but I really want to make more of a post. I'll be looking forward to dropping back in tomorrow after work and addressing your posts in more detailed manner which they deserve. :T

[---k---]

Steve, if it makes you feel better, I'm sure if we were there in person, we could find fault. :B

[Hdale85]

Hmm now that you mention it, The enclosure could have been about 4mm Taller.

[SteveCallas]

Steve, if it makes you feel better, I'm sure if we were there in person, we could find fault

Hmm now that you mention it, The enclosure could have been about 4mm Taller.

Lol, and why didn't you fillet the edges? :T

[steve nn]

Steve, if it makes you feel better, I'm sure if we were there in person, we could find fault :B

Hmm now that you mention it, The enclosure could have been about 4mm Taller.

Lol, and why didn't you fillet the edges? :T

Lol..Now that I'm home (just in time for bed) I will say that's much better and I'll sleep well now that things are back on track.You guys got to remember I used to hang out over at AVS in the speaker-subwoofer section. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :Z

[ssabripo]

....You guys got to remember I used to hang out over at AVS in the speaker-subwoofer section. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :Z

AMEN brotha! ;x(

once in a while I'll peak over there, as well as Audioholics, and the more things change the more they stay the same :Z :gah: Same ol' clowns, same ol songs....soooooo boring.

pathetic really, when you think of it

[steve nn]

What better use for that space next to your couch. :T

I couldn't agree more! It was space that was never used, well after we moved in anyway. This sub doesn't take up any more room than some other options I've ran although it is admittedly taller. WAF better just figure the living room is mine, uh errr maybe the den to.

Kick ass performance and a kick ass finish, really a great job from start to end.

Thanks Steve. Ok I have a question> Have I earned the rite to be in the supper dupper elite monster sub club? Don't let me down br C. I want my card with the expectation of not having to pay any more due's. Friggin 22 cu ft 10" port subwoofer! Shees! :B Ah!..it's just what I need though.

I am amazed. What a work of art, both visually and sonically.

Can you really hear it from where your at King Willy?

Not to mention I think it'd just be a TAD overkill for an apartment

I have to be careful myself in a house. It doesn't go into compression unless your way out there at reference or above. Actually I should be listening to it now before the neighborhood comes home from work. You know I went pretty much all day with out thinking about subs..for me that's a miracle and speaks how satisfied I am with this rig. I guess I should break the eq out and fine tune it now.

As far as driver spacing, the closer the drivers are to the bottom and top edges, the less flex you will get in the baffle. I think you did it the right way and just didn't know it.

You know I think your on to something Ryan. I always wondered why many of my past options were off center as far as driver placement goes. I now know. You see the sub Gods were with me after all. I would like to point out that both drivers are the same distance from the top and bottom though, the pic doesn't reflect that very well. Lol

I got inspired by you so I just purchased the veneer, the stains/dyes, the glue, roller, etc....all the tools to veneer my sub. Is good to get motivation from each other..hehehe.

Man your going all out!..good for you. I'll be looking forward to your final result then. Your center looks incredible! Just remember you got to do this veneer thing on your own with some help from the Forum if need be. I know you can do it, it's really not that hard unless your piecing panels.

AMEN brotha!

I know what you mean Sherv, but I think we need to remember there are good people at all the Forums even though we're the elect.

[SteveCallas]

Thanks Steve. Ok I have a question> Have I earned the rite to be in the supper dupper elite monster sub club? Don't let me down br C. I want my card with the expectation of not having to pay any more due's

Welcome to the club, you've earned it :B

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(Woulda looked a little nicer but you caught me right as I was preparing to leave work)

[steve nn]

(Woulda looked a little nicer but you caught me right as I was preparing to leave work)

Hey that'll work just fine including the via part The DIY section is still a place I like to hang out. 8)

[WillyD]

Oh...I can hear it, in my heart.

I dream of your sub....

[steve nn]

I dream of your sub....

What sub do you run King Willy?

[WillyD]

Haha, something that does not deserve to be called a sub.

My very next project is to build a sub.

[steve nn]

My very next project is to build a sub.

That's Great! I don't know why, but I've developed a personal interest in your next project. If there is any way I can help, please LMK. Sorry!.. all out of $$ though. :lol:

I decided to dial mine in yesterday with the FBQ2496 and it looks like I'm coming in at +- 2.5 from 15 up to the cross at 80 Hz. It could still use a little more tweaking at 55 I guess.

[WillyD]

Thanks, I will let you know as soon as I make any decisions.

And that looks pretty friggin good to me (the graph).

[Scott Simonian]

Bumped for dual vented Rl-p15d4 reference...

:P

You'll be mine soon...