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Originally posted by HarmoniumWell, for me it is hard to beat an AES/EBU balanced digital cable (I'm using Siltech as cable between SSP-600 and CDT-300) and I've never heard sound from an HDMI cable.
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The only multi channel and AES/EBU will do is DD and dts from DVD-Video discs. It won't do multi channel PCM for things like DVD-Audio, and SACD (which the CDT-300 doesn't do). It also won't do DD+, Dolby TrueHD, dtsHD, and dtsHD Master Audio so you will never find it on BD players unless someone does it for two channel audio only.
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Originally posted by HarmoniumWho said it was only for 2 channels ?
A digital audio flow from a transport to a processor is not only 2 channels to me.
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Originally posted by hifiguymiThe only multi channel and AES/EBU will do is DD and dts from DVD-Video discs. It won't do multi channel PCM for things like DVD-Audio, and SACD (which the CDT-300 doesn't do). It also won't do DD+, Dolby TrueHD, dtsHD, and dtsHD Master Audio so you will never find it on BD players unless someone does it for two channel audio only.
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So, will the sound will be better through an HDMI cable for a DVD-Video ?
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Originally posted by HarmoniumSo, will the sound will be better through an HDMI cable for a DVD-Video ?"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by RebelManYes and no, but yes. No because the signal quality between both types of cables are audibly indistinguishable. Yes because the equipment supporting the HDMI interface has been improved over the equipment supporting the AES/EBU interface. Therefore, the overall net result will be yes.
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Originally posted by HarmoniumWhat would you suggest as a HDMI cable ? I believe in cables and now I have a Siltech Golden Ridge as digital cable. But for the HDMI I have no idea what to choose. FrançoisLast edited by wettou; 21 April 2008, 15:04 Monday.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by RebelManUPDATE I
Given the number of piecemeal threads floating around regarding the SSP-800 I felt it would be more useful to consolidate the information we currently know about the upcoming processor into a dedicated thread.
Will it have a USB port to support digital music!Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by wettouWill it have a USB port to support digital music!"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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I heard that the Classé-SSP800 is delayed again until late June as more testing is needed! RebelMan any news?
At this rate it will be September before anything happens! August is a dead month in Canada just like in Europe everyone is on holiday, lucky them
Also maybe they will just release it with the new chips and new codec.
I would rather wait and have the quality instead of buying the first one off the assembly line and have all sort of problems even with 5 Years warranty.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by wettouI heard that the Classé-SSP800 is delayed again until late June as more testing is needed! RebelMan any news?
Also maybe they will just release it with the new chips and new codec."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Release update for SSP-800
I have some release data and it is from Dave Nauber. He said that there are some software issues with the video card which might push the release date past the anticipated "end of May' target date. I sold my SSP-600 and am anxiously awaiting its replacement, as you all are, since I am dead in the water as far as home theater goes.- Bottom
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Originally posted by sikonikoWith May being next week, wouldn't they be well past QA and ramping up production to prepare to ship?Last edited by RebelMan; 26 April 2008, 20:48 Saturday."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Better they test them well rather than ship units that are defective at $8G it better works perfect out of the box!!
I had a Classé amp once DOA and they exchanged it immediately so their customer service is first class as far as I am concernedFarming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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HDMI vs AES vs Toslink etc...
We will have to wait ...
Denon processors have a better sound using denon link than HDMI!
External DACs have to be synchronized on incoming data and this is very difficult.
Many ways are used or combined to do so : PLL, ASRC, buffering + servo, etc...
The sound of my SSP600 depends on the source. The sound of the same record coming from my Sonos box is more detailed and clean than from my Marantz 8400. This probably means that the jitter of the Sonos+cable+SSP-600 is lower. This also means that the ability of the SSP-600 to reject jitter is not as good as Benchmark DAC1 one.
Jitter is very important if we really want to process 24 bits signals. The jitter limits the resolution.
The best way to reduce the jitter is to use a single clock near the DAC. This is why integrated players generally sound so good compared to transport+ usual external DAC.
Very good DACs have 'solutions' to reduce the jitter.
Wadia's DAC sends its clock to the transport. But the Transport has to be a Wadia... so where is the gain compared to a One box solution?
Benchmark DAC1 use a local clock. The incoming signal is synchronised using a PLL + an ASRC. The jitter rejection is very good but the local clock run at a single (110 Khz?) frequency meaning that the DAC input signal is always calculated by the ASRC. this is no longer the original signal. (N.B: The DAC1 is very good and not only for its price despite this theoric limitation. )
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Which Denon are you using?
I have been debating between the new pre/pro from Denon and the Classé SSP-800.
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Update II
I have updated the original post with information regarding the SSP-800's new release dates and provided some concrete information regarding sample rates and DSD support among other useful tidbits. I also modified the post somewhat to improve readability. Enjoy."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Rebel Man, thanks for the continued updates.
Did you get any feel for how confident Classe' felt about the Dealer Shipments (May/June) and Customer Delivery (June/July) dates?"If 'A' equals success, then the formula is 'A = _ X + Y + Z.' 'X' is work. 'Y' is play. 'Z' is keeping your mouth shut." -- Albert Einstein- Bottom
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Originally posted by RebelManI have updated the original post with information regarding the SSP-800's new release dates and provided some concrete information regarding sample rates and DSD support among other useful tidbits. I also modified the post somewhat to improve readability. Enjoy.
At this stage I think we might be looking at Cedia in September for the release! That is fine by me I probably will wait until the SSP-800 ships with the new chip and supports all new codec DD True HD and DTS-Master HD so I have a unit where all the kinks have been worked out!Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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My pleasure Hberg.
Classé confidently expressed that they will meet the release dates (the video board issues have been fixed). But by the same token they also indicated that it will take some time to process their three month back log making the processor tough to get throughout the summer."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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You are welcome wettou.
The SSP-800 will surface long before CEDIA, however, I am certain that Classé will be making their big announcement about it at the show. In both cases the product will not include the dual-processor board. If you intend to wait until it does then plan on it for next year."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Next year hey! Oh well I guess patience has it's virtues may I will buy it at the same time as their Blu Ray players.
Hopefully by then a few people will have tested it, reviewed it, analyzed it every which way and I will be able to make a better informed purchase decision.
I am still on the fence and would like to compare it with the new Denon pre/pro behemoth.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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well i have to admit....this thing is looking pretty damn good. The promised update for those wanting to bitstream makes this about as "future proof" as anyone could ask for.
Honestly on the audio side I just cant see any new or "better" things around the corner like I have been able to in the past. My gut is starting to tell me there is a lot of value in this thing. Its also pretty enough that I dont have to hide it in my rack.
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One question for you ya rebelman..
When you say 2 CH is supposed to be the best yet from teh delta series does that mean sending a digital 2 channel source to the 800 from say optical or coax will yield a better result then the CDP-502 sending an analog signal and bypassing the 800?
Basically the 800 is the best 2CH performer of all products in the delta series regardless?- Bottom
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May be in the Delta series but not in the omega series, especially when you look how much they sell the Omega Preamplifier Mark III $16,000.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by Vancouverwell i have to admit....this thing is looking pretty damn good. The promised update for those wanting to bitstream makes this about as "future proof" as anyone could ask for.
Honestly on the audio side I just cant see any new or "better" things around the corner like I have been able to in the past. My gut is starting to tell me there is a lot of value in this thing. Its also pretty enough that I dont have to hide it in my rack.
I also agree that it's difficult to see how all things audio could get better but rest assured that Classe' is working on it!"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by VancouverOne question for you ya rebelman..
When you say 2 CH is supposed to be the best yet from teh delta series does that mean sending a digital 2 channel source to the 800 from say optical or coax will yield a better result then the CDP-502 sending an analog signal and bypassing the 800?
Basically the 800 is the best 2CH performer of all products in the delta series regardless?Last edited by RebelMan; 29 April 2008, 19:36 Tuesday."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by rystHow come they left out an AES/EBU input?"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by HbergRebel Man, thanks for the continued updates.
Did you get any feel for how confident Classe' felt about the Dealer Shipments (May/June) and Customer Delivery (June/July) dates?
I ordered now a SSP 800 in Germany. It will be shipped in July at 8500€ including a free upgrade to the HD formats later in the year 2008. Great:-))"...Life is for living... with...Classe CDP502, SSP800, CA 5200, Toshiba HD-XE1, B&W 802D, HTM2D, 2xDS7, ASW825, Mitsubishi HC 6000...."- Bottom
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Originally posted by kloepfrI ordered now a SSP 800 in Germany. It will be shipped in July at 8500€ including a free upgrade to the HD formats later in the year 2008. Great:-))Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by wettouDo you have an official press release stating that the upgrade will be free?
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Originally posted by wettouOk well, when I see a press release I will believe it sorry I have heard to many rumors out there!!"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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