Sharp Takes on Plasma with 57-inch LCD TV

[Bing Fung]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050920/tc_nm/japan_sharp_dc

Not until Christmas and won't be to cheap $13,448.96 USD

[Shane Martin]

I can't really see how Sharp plans on competiting when you can get 60" Plasma For $8k and a 50" for $3k. 7 more inches for $10,000 more. Yep that's competition. WTG Sharp.

[Bing Fung]

1920x1080 resolution = 1080P :P

Good bye screen door effect with the finer pixel pitch, and the image will be tack sharp with out the mottled Plasma look.

Less power consumption

No Burn in

No dimming of the screen overtime

Yes it's expensive, such is the price of early adoption :B

[aud19]

I tell you I was looking at some of the mid-20" widescreen Sharp Aquos a couple weeks ago.... Sure would make a sweet computer monitor :P

Have to agree with Shane though, at that price, it's not much "competition" :lol:

Nevermind for that price you could get a pretty nice ED-plasma/LCD or RPTV unit, a projector and screen and a light control scheme

Heck you could get that new Sony 3-chip SXRD projector Shane posted last week and save up for the rest :lol:

[Bing Fung]

Alrighty then, sorry for wasting everyones time

[aud19]

Alrighty then, sorry for wasting everyones time

Oh Bing, don't be upset now : :smootch: I'm sure it's a very nice overpriced TV :B : :rofl:

[Bing Fung]

Not upset, just taking my news and going home with it before.... :lol:

[crstrand]

I tell you I was looking at some of the mid-20" widescreen Sharp Aquos a couple weeks ago.... Sure would make a sweet computer monitor :P

Have to agree with Shane though, at that price, it's not much "competition" :lol:

Nevermind for that price you could get a pretty nice ED-plasma/LCD or RPTV unit, a projector and screen and a light control scheme

Heck you could get that new Sony 3-chip SXRD projector Shane posted last week and save up for the rest :lol:

Doesn't ED = low res?

[aud19]

:lol:

[Bing Fung]

What is this "Unfrozen Caveman Displays" :roflmao:

[crstrand]

I'm just a caveman, your display devices scare me!!!!

I was frozen in some ice and your scientists thawed me out...

:roflmao:

Early adopters pay the R&D for companies to continue development. If everyone waited for the 110" perfect flat panel for $999.99 then we'd all still be watching B&W fishbowls.

[aud19]

Doesn't ED = low res?

Well, lo-res is relative. Would I buy an EDTV as my primary display? No, not likely. But you can get something like a 42" Panasonic 1024x768p or 853x480p plasma for a relatively low price for viewing daytime TV, News or generally casual viewing that doesn't require or in most cases even have available a HD signal. Having something like that with a 1280x720p projector for more critical nightime, HD and movie watching on a BIG screen is a rather ideal setup IMO

EDIT:Though if it was my money I likely still wouldn't buy a plasma for a secondary set, probably stick with a CRT or a LCD/DLP RPTV. For me, plasma's too expensive and uses to much electricity for what you get. However, I'm in the minority there mostly :lol: Plus those DLP/LCD RPTV's in particular tend to have a brighter picture as well. Great for daytime viewing and no risk of burn-in (even though it's small anyways )

[crstrand]

I hear ya on the 720p projector. That's what I'm running.
However, if you watch regular TV on a plasma won't you get some variant of burn-in? Unless, of course, you watch the 4x3 stuff stretched which you don't want to get me going on.

[aud19]

I hear ya on the 720p projector. That's what I'm running.
However, if you watch regular TV on a plasma won't you get some variant of burn-in? Unless, of course, you watch the 4x3 stuff stretched which you don't want to get me going on.

I edited my post already :B You can get burn-in on plasma's (or CRT's) but really the risk is minimal on a properly setup and run display and there are things like grey bars, pixel shifting etc to help reduce the risk even further. I myself use my stretch modes on nearly all 4:3 material on my Hitachi CRT-RPTV. Once you get used to them ( acouple days for me) you don't even notice it anymore IMO.

[Shane Martin]

Panasonic has a 1080P Plasma coming anyway

65" only 9k msrp. The dimming of the screen issue is a non-issue because it only happens around 30,000 hours or so. The lifespan of a plasma is so misunderstood

Panasonic 65" 1080P plasma

[aud19]

I don't believe anyone mentioned dimming...? But yes it's not really an issue, same as CRT

[Shane Martin]

Bing did. Scroll up you hoser. oke:

[aud19]

Bing did. Scroll up you hoser. oke:

Touche yankee! : :lol:

[David Meek]

Oooh, calling an Okie a "yankee"? :

Personally, I'm looking to the SED units to answer most of the questions. Now, if they'd only get here - and with good prices.

[aud19]

Don't expect good prices on SED until ~2007-2008+ unfortunately David But when I need a new display in ~5'ish years... :P

Well "hoser" is really an Eastern Canadian term David

[Bing Fung]

II myself use my stretch modes on nearly all 4:3 material on my Hitachi CRT-RPTV. Once you get used to them ( acouple days for me) you don't even notice it anymore IMO.

Don't even get Crstrand going on aspect stretch or he'll get all "Ratio Ugly" on your ass :smackbutt: :roflmao:

Panasonic has a 1080P Plasma coming anyway

65" only 9k msrp. The dimming of the screen issue is a non-issue because it only happens around 30,000 hours or so. The lifespan of a plasma is so misunderstood

That's fine and dandy, but Plasma will probably always look like it is comprised of a bunch of Contac C pixels anyway :lol:

oke:

[Trevor Schell]

:laughat::laughat:

[crstrand]

Panasonic has a 1080P Plasma coming anyway

65" only 9k msrp. The dimming of the screen issue is a non-issue because it only happens around 30,000 hours or so. The lifespan of a plasma is so misunderstood

So does the screen start to dim at 30,000 hours or is its lifespan 30,000 hours?
What is the brightness curve for a plasma display? Is it linear, logarithmic, exponential?
Help me understand. 8O

[Snap]

take a look at this and maybe it will answer some questions for you about "half life" and life span.

http://www.plasmavision.com/lthb.htm

[Bing Fung]

That link might be more creditable if Fujitsu wasn't one of the biggest pimps of Plasma

Whats critical to me, of what I have seen of Plasmas, they do not look as good as LCD or CRT in general. Mottled, fuzzy with a perceived crystal grid pattern. Not that I'm a big fan of LCD either :lol:

[crstrand]

Different people like different things.
Heck, some people will even watch 4x3 stretched on a 16x9.
:rofl:

[Bing Fung]

Hey, I ressemble that remark

The gray bars on the side of 4:3 bother me more that the stretch. And seeing as most general 4:3 stuff is crappy NTSC that looks terrible anyway, being stretched is the least of the images crimes :lol:

[Snap]

I was just showing the link for half life explanation. I do agree that they are a TAD bias! hahaha.

The New Sony 45 inch XBR LCD is freaking AWESOME! The 40 inch is also BAD!!

[Shane Martin]

So does the screen start to dim at 30,000 hours or is its lifespan 30,000 hours?

Last i checked the newest plasmas have a life of 60,000 hrs which fwiw, a crt has a life of 15,000 hrs. They dim at 1/2 their life so that's still twice the lifetime of a CRt.

\they do not look as good as LCD or CRT in general. Mottled, fuzzy with a perceived crystal grid pattern.

I would bet you haven't seen a properly setup one.

[Snap]

the Fujitsu plasma is sweet. Just has a big price tag on it.

[Bing Fung]

Last i checked the newest plasmas have a life of 60,000 hrs which fwiw, a crt has a life of 15,000 hrs. They dim at 1/2 their life so that's still twice the lifetime of a CRt.

I would bet you haven't seen a properly setup one.

What is there to set up that could change the Contac C, mottled look that is characteristic of the individual plasma capsule?

We are talking the intrinsic item that makes up the mosaic of the image. I don't think that can be tuned out. It would be like shooting a picture with 400 ISO (grainy film) and then trying to adjust contrast, hue, saturation..etc, in an attempt to remove the grain. It may compensate, however Grainy film is grainy film. Mottled Plasma is mottled plasma. :B

[Kevin P]

Plasma doesn't look as good as CRT (yet), I'll give you that. But then, nothing looks as good as a properly setup CRT. I've gotten to prefer the look of newer plasmas over LCD flat panels though. Better blacks, more contrast, better color, wider viewing angle.

LCD's advantages are higher resolution (for now) and no burn-in risk. Both of these issues are improving with plasmas too.

[Bing Fung]

I'll have to submit to that Kevin, LCD Black levels do suck compared to plasma, contrast, OK, however I think the brightness of the LCD gives the color more pop, thus the illusion of more vividness. Even if ithe color is not "technically" as good as a Plasma set, on the showroom it looks better.

Neither is perfect, I suppose thats why I don't own either flat type yet, however if I had to buy now and I could swing it the Sharp LCD Aquos would be at the top of my list, inspite of it's short comings and imperfections.

[Mitchell]

Does anyone make a 40" flat panel crt TV?
Wouldnt it be monsterously deep and heavy?
It seems that the consensus is that CRT is still the best picture

[Shane Martin]

Mitchell,
No. CRT is the best but Plasma comes awfully close to these eyes. Having seen a properly ISF calibrated Plasma, I can say that if I had to do it over again, I would have likely bought the same Plasma my friend bought, the Panasonic 50" 7UY. You can get them for near 3k now.

[aud19]

Does anyone make a 40" flat panel crt TV?
Wouldnt it be monsterously deep and heavy?
It seems that the consensus is that CRT is still the best picture

No they don't. At that size screen you're looking at RPTV's if you want to stay with CRT's and their inherent PQ. At least for the next year or two anyways..... :P

Here's a link to SED info:

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=11214

SED is basically flat panel CRT. Very promising but not likely to be available here until late 06, perhaps 07. OLED is another interesting and somewhat similar tech that's also down the line which looks promising

[Brandon B]

They gloss over one more thing at that link. CRT time to half brightness is measured using CRTs maximum brightness. Plasmas are measured from "initial brightness at APL". Which is something on the order of 35% max brightness I think. APL is an "average programming level" they have chosen as a standard (and it's not necessarily an unrealistic one, most video probably does fall into this range).

So CRTs will produce half their original maximum brightness at the quoted figure. Plasmas will produce half of that 35% max brightness at the half life point. If you were running your plamsa hotter than that, it's going to be less.

So while I buy short life is not a problem for plasmas (or LCD flat panels for that matter), you aren't going to get 27 years out of use from them. How many have you have seen LCD PC monitors on laptops that are dimmed at substantially less than 27 years. Say more like 2-4 years. Same curve. Now people probably run their monitors hotter than a home TV display, but I am thinking over 10 years i pretty unrealistic.

Plasmas are essentially the same thing as the backlight of an LCD panel, tiny little fluorescent tubes with a phosphor in them. So it's mildly amusing to dismiss them as an inferior technology.

"Graphing LTHB shows that the phosphors never actually dim completely. Instead, they gently slow their dimming so it’s not noticeable." is also pretty funny. Um, that's how all display technologies dim. Barring exploding bulbs of course.

BB

[Brandon B]

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