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  • BWLover
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 552

    One RB-1090 or Two Rb-1080's

    Just wondering which would have a greater benefit. One RB-1090 or two 1080's for bi amping?
    Bowers & Wilkins 683 Speakers
    Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
    Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
    Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
    Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
    Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
    Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
    Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
    Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
    Playstation 3
    Shaw HD PVR
    Primacoustic Room Treatments
  • htsteve
    Super Senior Member
    • Sep 2004
    • 1216

    #2
    One 1090. Current, current, current. And can drive just about anything on the planet.



    Hope this helps.

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    • BWLover
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 552

      #3
      any other opinions?
      Bowers & Wilkins 683 Speakers
      Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
      Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
      Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
      Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
      Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
      Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
      Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
      Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
      Playstation 3
      Shaw HD PVR
      Primacoustic Room Treatments

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      • Alaric
        Ultra Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 4143

        #4
        It depends greatly on what speakers you're driving , but an RB1080 dedicated to the high end may be overkill. Most of an amp's juice is used reproducing the low frequencies , and a RB1090 has enough reserve power to feed the mids and tweeters with the leftovers. The wpc is about equal , but the amperage delivered by the RB1090 should have the edge. Having two RB1080s would inspire me to have two very good systems-one RB1090 would inspire me to have one great system. IMO
        Lee

        Marantz PM7200-RIP
        Marantz PM-KI Pearl
        Schiit Modi 3
        Marantz CD5005
        Paradigm Studio 60 v.3

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        • Kevin D
          Ultra Senior Member
          • Oct 2002
          • 4601

          #5
          Nope, that's pretty much the right answer in this situation.

          Bi-amping two 1080's will give the woofer a possible 200 watts and the high-end a possible 200 watts. A single 1090 gives each speaker (or the sum of speakers) a possible 390 watts.

          Unless you listen to pink noise, the chances of both the high end and the low end needing 390 watts at the same time is pretty low. The chances that the low end or the high end would need over 200 watts at one time are pretty good.

          Kevin D.

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          • Alaric
            Ultra Senior Member
            • Jan 2006
            • 4143

            #6
            My speakers have a unique crossover design. The mid and woofer are on the same leg , and the tweeters are all alone. From what mine do , my Class A amp seems to attenuate the reputation for "brightness" my speakers have , and provide a decently crisp and fast low freq. response with a very nice mid and high presentation. I was going from my experience , and the fact that 200 freakin' watts can cook a tweeter pretty fast if you're not careful. Rotels are fairly adept at supplying driver control , and with the requirements of a tweeter a 30 watt Rotel can probably deliver the goods.
            Lee

            Marantz PM7200-RIP
            Marantz PM-KI Pearl
            Schiit Modi 3
            Marantz CD5005
            Paradigm Studio 60 v.3

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            • DL86
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2005
              • 271

              #7
              The tweeter will struggle to use up that 200w, unless its a compression driver with a 4" voice coil and a 2" exit that weighs about 10kg. Usually the tweeter is more efficient than the woofer section requiring less power.

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              • BWLover
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 552

                #8
                what about the power supplies? haveing one PS on each speaker sounds better to me I think. My dealers set up is the 802D bi amped with 2 CA-M400's (on each speaker) so there's 400 watts on the mid/tweet. comments?
                Bowers & Wilkins 683 Speakers
                Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
                Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
                Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
                Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
                Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
                Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
                Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
                Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
                Playstation 3
                Shaw HD PVR
                Primacoustic Room Treatments

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                • Alaric
                  Ultra Senior Member
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 4143

                  #9
                  Didn't say it wasn't possible , just said it wasn't necessary. There are definite benefits to bi-amping . I'm not sure two RB1080s are a far enough step up over one RB1090 to be a real improvement. As for power supplies , the transformer in the 1090 is probably sufficient for light welding. YMMV
                  Lee

                  Marantz PM7200-RIP
                  Marantz PM-KI Pearl
                  Schiit Modi 3
                  Marantz CD5005
                  Paradigm Studio 60 v.3

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                  • Kevin D
                    Ultra Senior Member
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 4601

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BWLover
                    what about the power supplies? haveing one PS on each speaker sounds better to me I think. My dealers set up is the 802D bi amped with 2 CA-M400's (on each speaker) so there's 400 watts on the mid/tweet. comments?
                    Yes, two RB-1090's would be better then one. Of course that's not the question.

                    Kevin D.

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                    • wkhanna
                      Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 5673

                      #11
                      Originally posted by htsteve
                      One 1090. Current, current, current. And can drive just about anything on the planet..........
                      I get childish grin every time my 1090 powers up and the lights in the house dim for a few seconds :B

                      I really should have a dedicated 20 amp circuit for my system ops:
                      _


                      Bill

                      Practicing Curmudgeon & Audio Snob
                      ....just an "ON" switch, Please!

                      FinleyAudio

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                      • htsteve
                        Super Senior Member
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 1216

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BWLover
                        what about the power supplies? haveing one PS on each speaker sounds better to me I think. My dealers set up is the 802D bi amped with 2 CA-M400's (on each speaker) so there's 400 watts on the mid/tweet. comments?

                        The 1090 is a twin mono set-up in one chassis. There is a dedicated large PS for each channel. This is one of the main reasons the 1090 is such a beast and top performer.

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                        • A.M.
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 3

                          #13
                          Is the 1090 still available as a new product? or is it a legacy product?

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                          • PewterTA
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 2901

                            #14
                            Only gonna find it used somewhere.
                            Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                            -Dan

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                            • BWLover
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 552

                              #15
                              i reads that the 1090 is dual mono sharing one power supply
                              Bowers & Wilkins 683 Speakers
                              Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
                              Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
                              Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
                              Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
                              Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
                              Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
                              Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
                              Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
                              Playstation 3
                              Shaw HD PVR
                              Primacoustic Room Treatments

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                              • htsteve
                                Super Senior Member
                                • Sep 2004
                                • 1216

                                #16
                                Originally posted by BWLover
                                i reads that the 1090 is dual mono sharing one power supply

                                4th paragraph under 'Description and Design'. Also, I had the 1095 amp. It had two power supplies stacked on each other for the 5 channels. In the same chassis as the 1090. Very easy to have a stereo amp with that size chassis.


                                An amplifier producing nearly 400Wpc, weighing close to 100 lbs...from Rotel, of all people? Don't they know their place in the audio world? Next thing you know, Krell will start making integrated amplifiers! Oops—Krell is making integrated amplifiers...

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