I Finally got it!!!

[WI Rotel]

I finally understand the dolby true HD and DTS HD "labels"!
The studios are labeling any movie that includes LPCM audio track whether 5.1 or 7.1 as HD. I just bought spiderman3 blueray because it was labelled as dolby true HD, all it was was LPCM 5.1. The same thing with the 3:10 to Yuma, simply 7.1 LPCM, since it doesn't even get close to the maximum bandwidth that is what you get 7.1 LPCM. What is hilarious is that DTS HD blah blah is exactly the same thing, there is no magical uncompressed format from either lab it is simply lossless LPCM track. Thus, even the touted master audio label is crap, if its 5.1 LPCM that is what your "non master audio" player will provide you 5.1 lossless audio. PURE SMOKE AND MIRRORS! :roll:

[Nolan B]

TrueHD = DTS MA = lossless (because not all PCM is lossless) PCM

If a disc says TrueHD then its TrueHD on it not PCM...after TrueHD gets decoded then it gets sent as PCM.

Are you saying that no matter what is written on the disc i.e. DTS MA all that is on the disc is PCM? That is not the case.

I totally agree with you in that there is a lot of marketing behind different audio lables which all sound the same

[hifiguymi]

Spider-man 3 has both and uncompressed PCM 5.1 track and a Dolby TrueHD 5.1 track. You can pick either one in the menu. You are correct that 3:10 To Yuma is only an uncompressed PCM track though.

Life would be great if all of the BD's made had uncompressed PCM because it would make life easy for every player and receiver/preamp but they don't.

Eric

[WI Rotel]

Spider-man 3 has both and uncompressed PCM 5.1 track and a Dolby TrueHD 5.1 track. You can pick either one in the menu. You are correct that 3:10 To Yuma is only an uncompressed PCM track though.

Life would be great if all of the BD's made had uncompressed PCM because it would make life easy for every player and receiver/preamp but they don't.

Eric

I'll have to recheck but I think that the spiderman is the 5.1 LPCM is the HD the other was regular dolby digital. ARGHHH this marketing stuff is driving me insane!!!!!

[hifiguymi]

It does have both. Here is a link that shows all of the specs on that disc.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/spiderman3.html

Eric

[WI Rotel]

It does have both. Here is a link that shows all of the specs on that disc.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/spiderman3.html

Eric

Thanks for the link :T

[Nuthed]

I finally understand the dolby true HD and DTS HD "labels"!
The studios are labeling any movie that includes LPCM audio track whether 5.1 or 7.1 as HD. I just bought spiderman3 blueray because it was labelled as dolby true HD, all it was was LPCM 5.1. The same thing with the 3:10 to Yuma, simply 7.1 LPCM, since it doesn't even get close to the maximum bandwidth that is what you get 7.1 LPCM. What is hilarious is that DTS HD blah blah is exactly the same thing, there is no magical uncompressed format from either lab it is simply lossless LPCM track. Thus, even the touted master audio label is crap, if its 5.1 LPCM that is what your "non master audio" player will provide you 5.1 lossless audio. PURE SMOKE AND MIRRORS! :roll:

What are you talking about? If you have a player that decodes the TruHD or dtsHD MA internally, such as a PS3, it will output the decoded signal as LPCM. So LPCM is what your receiver or pre/pro will display. Is that what is happening?

[WI Rotel]

What are you talking about? If you have a player that decodes the TruHD or dtsHD MA internally, such as a PS3, it will output the decoded signal as LPCM. So LPCM is what your receiver or pre/pro will display. Is that what is happening?

The point is that DTS HD MA can be both 5.1 or 7.1. All it means is that its a lossless audio LPCM tract. :W

[WI Rotel]

More comfirmation of DTS shennanigans and snake oil

Finally popped in a disc labelled as DTS HD Master audio (Grieg Piano Concerto, Acoustic Reality series). As we all know my sony BDP S2000ES is not rated to decode master audio only DTS HD. As to the Sony manual, DTS master audio is decoded to plain DTS thus up to 5.1.

Result:
Again it was just bull--it, the player decoded the 7.1 signal to 7.1 LPCM just fine. As far as I can tell the master audio moniker is just crap it is simply LPCM 7.1 96/24. Both HD and Master audio can carry the same 7.1 resolution sound track. The difference is that MA has the potential for even more information because its faster bit rate. However to this day no HD movie with 7.1 audio uncompressed audio exceeds the bit rate of the HD standard, never mind the MA standard.
Recommendeation: don't let the lack of a Master Audio label deter you from buying any equipment, its just like HDMI 1.3, there is absolutely no use for it in the foreseeable future!!!!!!!

[Nolan B]

Finally popped in a disc labelled as DTS HD Master audio (Grieg Piano Concerto, Acoustic Reality series). As we all know my sony BDP S2000ES is not rated to decode master audio only DTS HD. As to the Sony manual, DTS master audio is decoded to plain DTS thus up to 5.1.

Result:
Again it was just bull--it, the player decoded the 7.1 signal to 7.1 LPCM just fine. As far as I can tell the master audio moniker is just crap it is simply LPCM 7.1 96/24. Both HD and Master audio can carry the same 7.1 resolution sound track. The difference is that MA has the potential for even more information because its faster bit rate. However to this day no HD movie with 7.1 audio uncompressed audio exceeds the bit rate of the HD standard, never mind the MA standard.
Recommendeation: don't let the lack of a Master Audio label deter you from buying any equipment, its just like HDMI 1.3, there is absolutely no use for it in the foreseeable future!!!!!!!

Here is a good break down of different DTS types

http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php

DTS-HD Master Audio is capable of delivering audio that is a bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. DTS-HD Master Audio delivers audio at super high variable bit rates -24.5 mega-bits per second (Mbps) on Blu-ray discs and 18.0 Mbps on HD-DVD - that are significantly higher than standard DVDs . This bit stream is so "fast" and the transfer rate is so "high" that it can deliver the Holy Grail of audio: 7.1 audio channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depths that are identical to the original. With DTS-HD Master Audio, you will be able to experience movies and music, exactly as the artist intended: clear, pure, and uncompromised.

DTS-HD High Resolution Audio can deliver up to 7.1 channels of sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the original. DTS-HD High Resolution Audio delivers audio at high constant bit rates superior to standard DVDs---6.0 Mbps on Blu-ray discs and 3.0 Mbps on HD-DVD to produce outstanding sound quality. It is capable of delivering up to 7.1 channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depth resolution. It allows content creators to deliver rich, high definition audio on movies where disc space may not allow for DTS-HD Master Audio.

DTS Digital Surround is the original DTS decoding format that revolutionized home theater audio. Enhanced dynamic range and improved frequency response combine to create an enveloping surround sound experience for movies and music when compared to competing audio decoding technologies available at the time. You can confidently play DTS-HD encoded discs on a Blu-ray or HD DVD player and use your existing DTS capable receiver to enjoy high quality DTS Digital Surround.



Bottom line is not many people would be able to tell the difference blind folded between DTS HD and DTS MA. Mind you in this hobby we do a lot to get small improvements. I would still rather be listening to DTS MA then DTS HD.

[wettou]

Recommendation: don't let the lack of a Master Audio label deter you from buying any equipment, its just like HDMI 1.3, there is absolutely no use for it in the foreseeable future!!!!!!!

That is your perspective all of Fox's movies are released with DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 and other 7.1 . Universal is going that route as well!!

[WI Rotel]

Here is a good break down of different DTS types

http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php

DTS-HD Master Audio is capable of delivering audio that is a bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. DTS-HD Master Audio delivers audio at super high variable bit rates -24.5 mega-bits per second (Mbps) on Blu-ray discs and 18.0 Mbps on HD-DVD - that are significantly higher than standard DVDs . This bit stream is so "fast" and the transfer rate is so "high" that it can deliver the Holy Grail of audio: 7.1 audio channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depths that are identical to the original. With DTS-HD Master Audio, you will be able to experience movies and music, exactly as the artist intended: clear, pure, and uncompromised.

DTS-HD High Resolution Audio can deliver up to 7.1 channels of sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the original. DTS-HD High Resolution Audio delivers audio at high constant bit rates superior to standard DVDs---6.0 Mbps on Blu-ray discs and 3.0 Mbps on HD-DVD to produce outstanding sound quality. It is capable of delivering up to 7.1 channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depth resolution. It allows content creators to deliver rich, high definition audio on movies where disc space may not allow for DTS-HD Master Audio.

DTS Digital Surround is the original DTS decoding format that revolutionized home theater audio. Enhanced dynamic range and improved frequency response combine to create an enveloping surround sound experience for movies and music when compared to competing audio decoding technologies available at the time. You can confidently play DTS-HD encoded discs on a Blu-ray or HD DVD player and use your existing DTS capable receiver to enjoy high quality DTS Digital Surround.



Bottom line is not many people would be able to tell the difference blind folded between DTS HD and DTS MA. Mind you in this hobby we do a lot to get small improvements. I would still rather be listening to DTS MA then DTS HD.

Its not about being able to tell the difference. check the underlined above- There is no difference
DTS "Master audio" simply has a higher possible bit rate. However, Blueray movies with full 5.1 or 7.1 lossless (AKA as "master recording") do not exceed the bit rate of the HD standard, not even close, thus it doesn't matter at all!

[Nolan B]

Its not about being able to tell the difference. check the underlined above- There is no difference
DTS "Master audio" simply has a higher possible bit rate. However, Blueray movies with full 5.1 or 7.1 lossless (AKA as "master recording") do not exceed the bit rate of the HD standard, not even close, thus it doesn't matter at all!

While the difference is small its not 0. You can have 24 bit 96k track that is lossless and one that is not. Even if both have the exact bit rate the one which is bit for bit lossless should in theory be better.

mind you the difference is so small its not worth worry that much about. i read a post from a film mixer insider which said when using the instruments to measure the audible difference between DD+ and lossless the audible difference was 1/10th of 1 percent or .1% difference.

seems very small.

[Nuthed]

The point is that DTS HD MA can be both 5.1 or 7.1. All it means is that its a lossless audio LPCM tract. :W

dts DH MA and TruHD are both lossless codecs. They are however encoded, and therefore need decoding. This can take place in a player such as a PS3, which will then send out the audio as LPCM. Or ithe encoded signal can be sent as bitstream to a reciver or pre/pro for decoding.

LPCM is unencoded, lossless audio and therefor requires no decoding, just the ability of a receiver or pre/pro to accept it.

dts HD HR on the other hand and DD+ for that matter are encoded, compressed codecs that require decoding. Its a matter of opinion if they are as faithful to the original as dts HD MA or TruHD.

I don't think you have "finally got it".

[WI Rotel]

dts DH MA and TruHD are both lossless codecs. They are however encoded, and therefore need decoding. This can take place in a player such as a PS3, which will then send out the audio as LPCM. Or ithe encoded signal can be sent as bitstream to a reciver or pre/pro for decoding.

LPCM is unencoded, lossless audio and therefor requires no decoding, just the ability of a receiver or pre/pro to accept it.

dts HD HR on the other hand and DD+ for that matter are encoded, compressed codecs that require decoding. Its a matter of opinion if they are as faithful to the original as dts HD MA or TruHD.

I don't think you have "finally got it".

Simply read my first post and you will find that its all nonsense and double speak. IF DTS Master Audio were a "truely" differently encoded format my non MA compatible player would have been only able to decode the so called "core" DTS which is 5.1. On the contrary, it decoded the native 7.1 signal perfectly. Thus, either the recording was mislabelled (dubtful since it had a HD master audio logo, or DTS is simply muddying the waters.
The other point to make all 96/24 recordings are lossless since that is the highest digital resolution available. A 96/24 disc may have a recording whose master is of lower resolution (obviously since the original master may even be analog!) that does not make it lossy. All 96/24 recordings are by definition lossless, if there is signal manipulation in the process you can't use the moniker (till a higher sampling rate comes along :lol: ).

[Nuthed]

:B

Simply read my first post and you will find that its all nonsense and double speak. IF DTS Master Audio were a "truely" differently encoded format my non MA compatible player would have been only able to decode the so called "core" DTS which is 5.1. On the contrary, it decoded the native 7.1 signal perfectly. Thus, either the recording was mislabelled (dubtful since it had a HD master audio logo, or DTS is simply muddying the waters.
The other point to make all 96/24 recordings are lossless since that is the highest digital resolution available. A 96/24 disc may have a recording whose master is of lower resolution (obviously since the original master may even be analog!) that does not make it lossy. All 96/24 recordings are by definition lossless, if there is signal manipulation in the process you can't use the moniker (till a higher sampling rate comes along :lol: ).

You didn't decode any native 7.1 signal. You must have applied some post processing if you don't have a MA capable player.

96/24 recordings are not lossless by definition.

You can think it if you want......but it ain't so.

BTW, when you posted to "Simply read my first post and you will find that its all nonsense and double speak", did you mean your post itself is nonsense and double speak? :B

[WI Rotel]

:B

You didn't decode any native 7.1 signal. You must have applied some post processing if you don't have a MA capable player.

96/24 recordings are not lossless by definition.

You can think it if you want......but it ain't so.

BTW, when you posted to "Simply read my first post and you will find that its all nonsense and double speak", did you mean your post itself is nonsense and double speak? :B

The 1069 cannot "process" LPCM into a different surround mode. The 1069 simply treated it as any other multichannel signal, which is exactly what the non MA player provided. HD MA is bull just as HDMI 1.3 is bull. Simply additional bandwith formats, furthermore as I already explained the additional bandwith is completely unnecessary for present 1080P video/ 7.1 96/24 audio.
Ergo all DTS HD players will play all available "master audio" as a lossless format. Don't argue if you haven't done it. I already proved it.

[btf1980]

The 1069 cannot "process" LPCM into a different surround mode. The 1069 simply treated it as any other multichannel signal, which is exactly what the non MA player provided. HD MA is bull just as HDMI 1.3 is bull. Simply additional bandwith formats, furthermore as I already explained the additional bandwith is completely unnecessary for present 1080P video/ 7.1 96/24 audio.
Ergo all DTS HD players will play all available "master audio" as a lossless format. Don't argue if you haven't done it. I already proved it.

Why don't you take your "proof" directly to DTS and make them aware of your findings and how HD MA is bull? Then prove what you've done on a public stage. You'd be the first one in history able to decode DTS HD MA without any hardware that is capable of doing it. You would be the "cat's meow" if you went public with this revelation.

[Nolan B]

The 1069 cannot "process" LPCM into a different surround mode. The 1069 simply treated it as any other multichannel signal, which is exactly what the non MA player provided. HD MA is bull just as HDMI 1.3 is bull. Simply additional bandwith formats, furthermore as I already explained the additional bandwith is completely unnecessary for present 1080P video/ 7.1 96/24 audio.
Ergo all DTS HD players will play all available "master audio" as a lossless format. Don't argue if you haven't done it. I already proved it.

WI you are not correct.

DTS MA is lossless and can be 7.1 24/96.

DTS HD is lossy and can be 7.1 24/96.

***Even if the bit rate is the same in the two above examples it does not indicate they are the same track both lossless, and will show no audbile difference.

DTS HD players will play all available "master audio" as a lossless format. Don't argue if you haven't done it. I already proved it.

I will challange you because i have done it, tested it and confirmed with with DTS. What you are listening to on your player is the core DTS MA track known as DTS HD (its a lossy format which is NOT bit for bit to the master). That lossy format can be 7.1 and it can also be 24 bit and even have the same or similar bit rate as the lossless track. Niether one of the last three points however prove it is lossless or the same as DTS MA which is where I think your arguement is from and the confusion lays.

A similar comparision can be made with Dolby Digital Plus vs Dobly TrueHD. Dobly Digital Plus is lossy not lossless. Both can can do 7.1 and when decoded by the player will be sent as LPCM. Both can even have similar bit rates. One however is lossless and one is lossy. Now can people tell the difference when comparing them? Most cant, but that does not nigate that TrueHD is bit for bit to the master and DD+ is not.


Really the most important point in this thread which many will debate and may not want to believe is if there is an audible difference between the said lossy and lossless tracks. Personally sometimes I feel I can tell and sometimes I cant, but I am getting much better with practice. Never is it night and day, but if the choice is mine I would rather have the lossless track playing and be done with the debate.

I find like expanding my pallet with good wine I am getting better at listening for the difference in audio tracks. What ends up happening is good and bad. I no longer appeciate the bad wine like lossy audio tracks, but on the other side I learn to appreciate the goods stuff that much more.

After following the thread below for the last 6 months I can say that the difference between realty and perception is MUCH bigger then the difference between DTS HD and DTS MA (lossy vs lossless).

I would encourage any to read the first couple pages of the thread in the link below. Much of what I have learned from a technical not practical point of view has come from the thread below. its not so much about specific codecs, but more about spcific differences if anyone cares. So rather then plagerize other's points I will just post the link.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=960826

[hifiguymi]

Nolan,

The core dts is the just that, the core 1.5Mbps, not dtsHD HR. If a player, like the one WI Rotel has, doesn't decode or bitstream dtsHD Master Audio it goes back to the core dts. It doesn't handle it as a dtsHD HR.

Eric

[Nolan B]

Nolan,

The core dts is the just that, the core 1.5Mbps, not dtsHD HR. If a player, like the one WI Rotel has, doesn't decode or bitstream dtsHD Master Audio it goes back to the core dts. It doesn't handle it as a dtsHD HR.

Eric

Sorry I missed that and didnt know his player enough to know if it did DTS HD or just DTS core from DTS MA. Are you sure his payer can not decode DTS HD? I cant find comfirmation on the DTS site that DTS does up to 7.1 like DTS HD can. One thing I dont doubt WII gets is 8 channels of LPCM as the 1069 does not matrix PCM to 7.1.

[hifiguymi]

There was a different thread on his player, the BDP-S2000ES, and it's audio capabilities. I've not seen a player that doesn't support dtsHD Master Audio that will take a dtsHD MA audio track and do anything other than the core dts. If the player doesn't know what to do with the extension bits that make up the dtsHD MA audio track it just handles the core signal.

Eric

[WI Rotel]

Nolan,

The core dts is the just that, the core 1.5Mbps, not dtsHD HR. If a player, like the one WI Rotel has, doesn't decode or bitstream dtsHD Master Audio it goes back to the core dts. It doesn't handle it as a dtsHD HR.

Eric

Correct :T And that is entirely my point.

[Nolan B]

Correct :T And that is entirely my point.

huh?

Your point was that you are only getting the core DTS track?

Your posts dont seem to equate to that point.

[shadow 8]

This thread becomes more confusing the longer it runs.

[btf1980]

This thread becomes more confusing the longer it runs.

There is nothing confusing about it. Just one person who is confused. You can only hear a DTS HD MA track by

1. Bitstreaming it from your player to your receiver or prepro to decode if you have a receiver or prepro capable of decoding the HD codecs.

or

2. Internally decoding it if your player can do that, then sending it as LPCM to your receiver or prepro.

Neither of which is happening in the OP's case. :P

I also know it can't happen since I did in fact have the rsp-1069 myself with a player that could not internally decode DTS HD MA.

[WI Rotel]

huh?

Your point was that you are only getting the core DTS track?

Your posts dont seem to equate to that point.

Core DTS track is 5.1 not 7.1, that is the point!! Only DTS HD HR or MA are 7.1. Capice????? Ergo on the the BDP 2000es if DTS MA were a unique codec it would only be able to reproduce it in 5.1 not 7.1.
The truth is that HR and MA are simply variations of the same codec, MA simply has additional bandwidth for the day when 8mbps are not enough. Today's 1080p video with 96/24 lossless audio does not exceed 8mbps (1080p with 7.1 lossless audio runs around 5-6mbps) thus it can all be decoded natively in a player certified as DTS HD HR!!!

[Nolan B]

Core DTS track is 5.1 not 7.1, that is the point!! Only DTS HD HR or MA are 7.1. Capice?????

Curiosly, at what point in any of my posts did I indicate that I didnt know that core DTS is only 5.1? I quote from the DTS site that DTS HD can go to 7.1

I dont know wha player you are using or its capabilities, but if it can decode DTS HD, but not DTS MA then you can possibly get 7.1 24/96 and still not be listening to the bit for bit master. May discs have both DTS MA and DTS HD (as an alternate choice).

If your player can not decode DTS MA then you are not listening to the lossless codec. DTS HD is never the same as DTS MA even if the numbers for bit rates etc are the same. Look again at the DTS website no where under the definition of any of their codes does it say "bit for bit" besides DTS MA.

DTS MA = Lossless
DTS HD HR Audio = Lossy
DTS = Lossy



anyway...perhaps someone else can chime in as you and I keep putting up the same arguements to each other and we are getting no where.

If by some chance I am wrong on the point that DTS HD can be the exact same as DTS MA in every aspect I would need to see a link from an official source to be convinced. Until then ill trust what I have read from insiders and what is posted on the official DTS site.

[Kevin D]

Finally popped in a disc labelled as DTS HD Master audio (Grieg Piano Concerto, Acoustic Reality series). As we all know my sony BDP S2000ES is not rated to decode master audio only DTS HD. As to the Sony manual, DTS master audio is decoded to plain DTS thus up to 5.1.

Wi, here's the deal. Everything known and highly documented say that you are not correct in what you are saying.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but we have to start looking at other factors here. I do believe you when you say your are getting 7.1 MPCM output from a player that doesn't decode DTS-HD master audio from a disc labeled as containing DTS-HD master audio.

We really need to look at the disc. I've researched the Grieg disc and not too much is known about it. It's pretty much an audio only disc, so there's plenty of room on there for multiple audio streams. Isn't there a chance there's a straight lossless 7.1 MPCM track all ready on the disc? Or perhaps it has both DTS-HD and DTS-HD master audio?

You should get your hands on the DTS BR demo disc. It has multiple tracks of varying bitstreams (both 5.1, 7.1, DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA), and no straight MPCM streams.

You're making your claims about one particular disc that might have more streams then you know. Unfortunately when you say something that goes against everything documented, its going to be up to you to prove it multiple ways. Repeating the same thing (on both sides) is not going to go anywhere.

Kevin D.

[WI Rotel]

Wi, here's the deal. Everything known and highly documented say that you are not correct in what you are saying.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but we have to start looking at other factors here. I do believe you when you say your are getting 7.1 MPCM output from a player that doesn't decode DTS-HD master audio from a disc labeled as containing DTS-HD master audio.

We really need to look at the disc. I've researched the Grieg disc and not too much is known about it. It's pretty much an audio only disc, so there's plenty of room on there for multiple audio streams. Isn't there a chance there's a straight lossless 7.1 MPCM track all ready on the disc? Or perhaps it has both DTS-HD and DTS-HD master audio?

You should get your hands on the DTS BR demo disc. It has multiple tracks of varying bitstreams (both 5.1, 7.1, DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA), and no straight MPCM streams.

You're making your claims about one particular disc that might have more streams then you know. Unfortunately when you say something that goes against everything documented, its going to be up to you to prove it multiple ways. Repeating the same thing (on both sides) is not going to go anywhere.

Kevin D.

The disc is music with HD slide show. When you pop in the disc it simply plays automatically, the only disc menu is the tracks. There is no menu to switch audio tracks. I'd love to try a movie but I haven't found anything that has a DTS HD MA audio. Mostly I've been repurchasing my HD DVD movies which are starting to show up in blueray. The only 7.1 movie I have found to date is 3:10 to Yuma and that is LPCM, all other movies regardless of labelling, HD, lossless, Dolby true HD or whatever have been 5.1. Of interest on BBC Planet Earth the intro is 7.1 while the actual videos are 5.1 :roll:
Unfortunately the audio labelling of blueray videos runs the gamut, the most I can surmise up to know is that in general the ones labelled as HD or "lossless" are simply 5.1 96/24 LPCM. Whenever, I find a DTS MA movie i'll buy it or rent it and report on it.

[Nolan B]

The disc is music with HD slide show. When you pop in the disc it simply plays automatically, the only disc menu is the tracks. There is no menu to switch audio tracks. I'd love to try a movie but I haven't found anything that has a DTS HD MA audio. Mostly I've been repurchasing my HD DVD movies which are starting to show up in blueray. The only 7.1 movie I have found to date is 3:10 to Yuma and that is LPCM, all other movies regardless of labelling, HD, lossless, Dolby true HD or whatever have been 5.1. Of interest on BBC Planet Earth the intro is 7.1 while the actual videos are 5.1 :roll:
Unfortunately the audio labelling of blueray videos runs the gamut, the most I can surmise up to know is that in general the ones labelled as HD or "lossless" are simply 5.1 96/24 LPCM. Whenever, I find a DTS MA movie i'll buy it or rent it and report on it.

Check if there are any Fox tittles you are interested in as all Fox tittles are DTS MA. Ill have to go check cuz I cant remember, but I know I recently saw a Fox tittle that gave you the option to choose DTS HD, or DTS MA.

[WI Rotel]

Check if there are any Fox tittles you are interested in as all Fox tittles are DTS MA. Ill have to go check cuz I cant remember, but I know I recently saw a Fox tittle that gave you the option to choose DTS HD, or DTS MA.

That would be the perfect choice. :T

[WI Rotel]

Got it! The Golden Compass is DTS HD MA 7.1!!!! Should be arriving in a couple of days. Since the movie is an epic (like the lord of the rings) the sound should be a good test. I'll let you know how it goes

[Nolan B]

house of 1000 corpses is 7.1 DTS HD (not DTS MA).

I am just cataloging my movies in dvdpedia so i should have a good knowladge of what movie has what prettty soon

[wettou]

Got it! The Golden Compass is DTS HD MA 7.1!!!! Should be arriving in a couple of days. Since the movie is an epic (like the lord of the rings) the sound should be a good test. I'll let you know how it goes

The audio track DTS-Master Audio is outstanding!!

[Nolan B]

Got it! The Golden Compass is DTS HD MA 7.1!!!! Should be arriving in a couple of days. Since the movie is an epic (like the lord of the rings) the sound should be a good test. I'll let you know how it goes

im pretty sure that tittls allows you to choose DTS MA or DTS HD

[wettou]

I am just cataloging my movies in dvdpedia so i should have a good knowledge of what movie has what pretty soon

dvdpedia, that software rocks!

http://www.bruji.com/dvdpedia

:T

[hifiguymi]

im pretty sure that tittls allows you to choose DTS MA or DTS HD

Really? I've only seen the dtsHD MA track in the specs for that disc.

Eric

[Nolan B]

Really? I've only seen the dtsHD MA track in the specs for that disc.

Eric

that could be....i jst know that recent I saw a movie which allowed for either or and thought that may have been it. ill come accross it soon enough.

[WI Rotel]

Really? I've only seen the dtsHD MA track in the specs for that disc.

Eric

Check here:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/gold....html#Section4 :T