DTC-9.8, THX Ultra2, 7.1-Channel 3-Zone Preamplifier/Processor

**Hdale85** · 04 August 2007, 22:22 Saturday

Is the 1600 confirmed? I've heard that figure as well but It was never said to be true. I may be looking into this next year.

**Sithlord** · 06 August 2007, 06:23 Monday

This is what I've been waiting for but it hasn't been announced that it's coming here to Australia as yet. We have the Onkyo receivers SR-605, SR-805 and the SR-875 and I'm very tempted to just buy the SR-805 receiver and not use it's amps as I'v got a Krell TAS 5 channel amp and a Rotel 2 channel for the Ex speakers. I just want to hear the pcm uncompressed audio from all my Blu-Ray titles played on my PS3. Will buy a Blu-Ray player when they start to send the new audio codecs via HDMI, the new Denon players look like they will be great going by the specs. I believe the $1600 price tag is definalty true going by the AVS forum but they are really hard to get at the moment. Just release it to our shores and I will be a happy camper.

**Ralph P.** · 06 August 2007, 11:51 Monday

Originally posted by Dougie085

Is the 1600 confirmed? I've heard that figure as well but It was never said to be true. I may be looking into this next year.

Greetings,

That price is confirmed.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 11 August 2007, 11:03 Saturday

Beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:M BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO REON PROCESSOR CONTROL OR AUDYSSEY PRO SOFTWARE….READ. NOTE: AUDYSSEY PRO WAS PART OF THE DTR-9.8 SPEC ON THE INTEGRA WEBSITE…..

“The DTR-8.8 has a Picture Control Menu that gives the user control over the Reon processor. The Onkyo TX-NR905 also has this...it was clearly a "last minute" addition for the Onkyo unit, as the manual does not have this feature in it. They threw an addendum with that info into the box!

Also, contrary to previous reports, the Audyssey Pro software is not compatible with the DTC-9.8. It is compatible with the DTR-8.8.”

I canceled my 9.8 order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :M

**Kal Rubinson** · 13 August 2007, 21:16 Monday

Originally posted by B&W 700 Guy

:M BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO REON PROCESSOR CONTROL OR AUDYSSEY PRO SOFTWARE….READ. NOTE: AUDYSSEY PRO WAS PART OF THE DTR-9.8 SPEC ON THE INTEGRA WEBSITE…..

wrong. Audyssey has confirmed Pro software compatibility with the 9.8. Not immediately as the interfacing software is under development but is promised for CEDIA or soon after.

Kal

**mitch57** · 13 August 2007, 21:30 Monday

Originally posted by Kal Rubinson

wrong. Audyssey has confirmed Pro software compatibility with the 9.8. Not immediately as the interfacing software is under development but is promised for CEDIA or soon after.

Kal

Have you confirmed this with Integra/Onkyo? If so, will Integra provide a firmware update to accommodate this? I talked to Brian at Integra today and he told me the 9.8 originally was going to be Audyssey Pro compatible but they changed their mind prior to release. He also stated that it would NOT be Audyssey Pro compatible in the future.

**Kal Rubinson** · 13 August 2007, 22:36 Monday

Originally posted by mitch57

Have you confirmed this with Integra/Onkyo? If so, will Integra provide a firmware update to accommodate this? I talked to Brian at Integra today and he told me the 9.8 originally was going to be Audyssey Pro compatible but they changed their mind prior to release. He also stated that it would NOT be Audyssey Pro compatible in the future.

If so, I might just send it back.

Audyssey said: "There is a DTC 9.8 and it will have MultEQ Pro when the ICL software is completed. So, the current box is enabled for it but can't be used until they ship the software. "

Also: "The Audyssey Pro interface control layer (fancy words for "device") for these products is not yet shipping. We expect it to ship around CEDIA and will make sure you receive a copy as soon as it's ready. These ICLs have to be developed once the firmware in the products is finalized and that only happened very recently for both of these. "

Kal

**Burke Strickland** · 14 August 2007, 21:28 Tuesday

Have you confirmed this with Integra/Onkyo? If so, will Integra provide a firmware update to accommodate this? I talked to Brian at Integra today and he told me the 9.8 originally was going to be Audyssey Pro compatible but they changed their mind prior to release. He also stated that it would NOT be Audyssey Pro compatible in the future.

As Osgood Fielding III (Joe E. Brown) said to Jerry - in drag as 'Daphne' (Jack Lemmon) in the closing scene of Some Like It Hot: "Well, nobody's perfect."

**Kal Rubinson** · 14 August 2007, 22:38 Tuesday

Originally posted by Burke Strickland

As Osgood Fielding III (Joe E. Brown) said to Jerry - in drag as 'Daphne' (Jack Lemmon) in the closing scene of Some Like It Hot: "Well, nobody's perfect."

Great line and apropos. We'll see how this all plays out.

Kal

**Sithlord** · 15 August 2007, 06:39 Wednesday

Well I gave in and bought the SR-805 receiver for $1670AUD which is a great price. Currently only using it as a pre-pro and will be selling my Arcam AV8. So far uncompressed audio is simply amazing through my PS3.

**mitch57** · 15 August 2007, 22:12 Wednesday

Originally posted by Sithlord

Well I gave in and bought the SR-805 receiver for $1670AUD which is a great price. Currently only using it as a pre-pro and will be selling my Arcam AV8. So far uncompressed audio is simply amazing through my PS3.

How would rate the SR-805 for music compared to the Arcam AV8?

**Sithlord** · 16 August 2007, 19:49 Thursday

I'm sorry to say Mitch I dont listen to music I use my setup purely for movies.I haven't even bothered to listen to a SD disc as I'm just blown away by how good Blu-Ray movies sound with pcm uncompressed audio. I did put in Superman Returns (BD) as that doesn't have any of the new audio tracks on it just a 640k DD and it just sounds lacking now that I've heard pcm.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 17 August 2007, 20:38 Friday

Originally posted by Kal Rubinson

wrong. Audyssey has confirmed Pro software compatibility with the 9.8. Not immediately as the interfacing software is under development but is promised for CEDIA or soon after.

Kal

Now Kal, Integra said they did not add it. I would beleive them over Audyssey

**mitch57** · 17 August 2007, 21:27 Friday

Originally posted by B&W 700 Guy

Now Kal, Integra said they did not add it. I would beleive them over Audyssey

Actually, I talked to Mike and Chris (the founder of Audyssey) yesterday. They confirmed that the Integra 9.8 IS Audyssey Pro capable. The issue is that Integra really has nothing to do with it. The hardware is already established and capable of receiving the Audyssey EQ Pro settings as is. But Integra isn't involved in how Audyssey EQ Pro is implemented on the 9.8. There is no software/hardware/instructions/changes required for Audyssey EQ Pro to work.

The reason that Integra has now stated that the 9.8 is not Audyssey EQ Pro ready is because, in reality, it isn't. That's because Audyssey is still developing the software that will allow it to work with the Integra 9.8. Once they finish the software the Integra will be Audyssey EQ Pro capable. There is nothing that Integra has/will do to make it work. It's all on Audyssey's shoulders from this point forward.

**Kal Rubinson** · 18 August 2007, 10:42 Saturday

Originally posted by mitch57

Actually, I talked to Mike and Chris (the founder of Audyssey) yesterday. They confirmed that the Integra 9.8 IS Audyssey Pro capable. The issue is that Integra really has nothing to do with it. The hardware is already established and capable of receiving the Audyssey EQ Pro settings as is. But Integra isn't involved in how Audyssey EQ Pro is implemented on the 9.8. There is no software/hardware/instructions/changes required for Audyssey EQ Pro to work.

The reason that Integra has now stated that the 9.8 is not Audyssey EQ Pro ready is because, in reality, it isn't. That's because Audyssey is still developing the software that will allow it to work with the Integra 9.8. Once they finish the software the Integra will be Audyssey EQ Pro capable. There is nothing that Integra has/will do to make it work. It's all on Audyssey's shoulders from this point forward.

Exactly. Thanks for your statement which is, essentially, what I have been saying for a while. Chris has promised the requisite software for CEDIA.

Actually, what we can attribute to Integra is poor communications about these complex issues.

Kal

**Hdale85** · 18 August 2007, 11:21 Saturday

So they left out the Reon video processors? Little disappointing hmm. Might have to look into another pre/pro. Of course I'm not sure how much I would benefit as all my source is HD 1080i or 1080p from my HTPC.

**Kal Rubinson** · 18 August 2007, 15:29 Saturday

Originally posted by Dougie085

So they left out the Reon video processors?

No. They left out the user control option menu. The processor is there.

Kal

**mitch57** · 18 August 2007, 15:38 Saturday

Originally posted by Dougie085

So they left out the Reon video processors? Little disappointing hmm. Might have to look into another pre/pro. Of course I'm not sure how much I would benefit as all my source is HD 1080i or 1080p from my HTPC.

They didn't leave it out. The HQV Reon-VX Chip is included with the Integra DTC 9.8. What they left out was the ability to "Tweak" the default settings within the HQV Reon-VX Chip scaler. They included this ability at the last minute in the Onkyo TX-NR905 Receiver. A very stupid move by Integra/Onkyo to add it to the lower end receiver but not the higher end processor IMHO. But who knows what Integra/Onkyo was thinking.

Maybe if enough people call/email Integra and complain they will issue a firmware update to add it.

**Hdale85** · 18 August 2007, 23:25 Saturday

Yeah I was going to say sounds like something a firmware update could easily fix.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 19 August 2007, 15:53 Sunday

Originally posted by mitch57

Actually, I talked to Mike and Chris (the founder of Audyssey) yesterday. They confirmed that the Integra 9.8 IS Audyssey Pro capable. The issue is that Integra really has nothing to do with it. The hardware is already established and capable of receiving the Audyssey EQ Pro settings as is. But Integra isn't involved in how Audyssey EQ Pro is implemented on the 9.8. There is no software/hardware/instructions/changes required for Audyssey EQ Pro to work.

The reason that Integra has now stated that the 9.8 is not Audyssey EQ Pro ready is because, in reality, it isn't. That's because Audyssey is still developing the software that will allow it to work with the Integra 9.8. Once they finish the software the Integra will be Audyssey EQ Pro capable. There is nothing that Integra has/will do to make it work. It's all on Audyssey's shoulders from this point forward.

Are you saying that Onkyo couldn't remove the path...or not enough alocated memory?

**Kal Rubinson** · 19 August 2007, 21:25 Sunday

Originally posted by B&W 700 Guy

Are you saying that Onkyo couldn't remove the path...or not enough alocated memory?

See Post #8.

Kal

**mitch57** · 20 August 2007, 16:46 Monday

Originally posted by mitch57

They didn't leave it out. The HQV Reon-VX Chip is included with the Integra DTC 9.8. What they left out was the ability to "Tweak" the default settings within the HQV Reon-VX Chip scaler. They included this ability at the last minute in the Onkyo TX-NR905 Receiver. A very stupid move by Integra/Onkyo to add it to the lower end receiver but not the higher end processor IMHO. But who knows what Integra/Onkyo was thinking.

Maybe if enough people call/email Integra and complain they will issue a firmware update to add it.

Actually, I stand corrected.

ops: It's the yet to be released Onkyo DTR 8.8 that has the ability to change the scaler settings and not the Onkyo TX-NR905. You can't make any changes to the scaler on the 905 either.

**DrJRapp** · 08 September 2007, 09:56 Saturday

Anyone get their 9.8 yet? I was promised by my dealer to have it by Sept 1..... but there doesn't seem to be any around at all.

**Hdale85** · 08 September 2007, 11:26 Saturday

Yeah I'd like to hear some impressions as well as I'm planning on picking one up first of the year.

**mitch57** · 08 September 2007, 14:51 Saturday

Originally posted by DrJRapp

Anyone get their 9.8 yet? I was promised by my dealer to have it by Sept 1..... but there doesn't seem to be any around at all.

I was told the same thing by my dealer who purchases direct from Integra. From what I've been reading on the AVS site Integra keeps telling their dealers that they will receive their shipments in two weeks. But they have been telling them they will ship in two weeks since July.

**Kal Rubinson** · 08 September 2007, 19:57 Saturday

AudysseyPro compatibility confirmed and in the pipeline but not right now.

Kal

**DrJRapp** · 23 September 2007, 15:38 Sunday

I got my 9.8 last week and set it up last night. As a former Anthem Statement D2 owner I can easily say that the 9.8 is 90-95% of what the D2 is at 1/4 the cost.

**RebelMan** · 23 September 2007, 16:43 Sunday

Originally posted by DrJRapp

I got my 9.8 last week and set it up last night. As a former Anthem Statement D2 owner I can easily say that the 9.8 is 90-95% of what the D2 is at 1/4 the cost.

IOW, the D2 wasn't all that. :W

BTW, I have owned Onkyo equipment in the past and I can attest that their sound quality is better than most mass market brands.

Enjoy your DTC!

**Hdale85** · 23 September 2007, 20:29 Sunday

I'm wondering what kind of price I can get at a mom and pops place on one of these. I really want one so we'll have to see how it works out at the beginning of the year. Also how do you guys think this compares to the Parasound/Rotel pre/pro's? If anyone has heard both that is.

**gostan** · 24 September 2007, 15:15 Monday

Originally posted by Dougie085

I'm wondering what kind of price I can get at a mom and pops place on one of these. I really want one so we'll have to see how it works out at the beginning of the year. Also how do you guys think this compares to the Parasound/Rotel pre/pro's? If anyone has heard both that is.

See Dr JRapp's comments above about the comparison to the Anthem D2. I found the D2 to be superior to the Rotel and so did Jerry.

**Hdale85** · 25 September 2007, 00:39 Tuesday

Ok well sounds good to me! I'm hoping by then I can try and get it for under 1500. Or even at 1500 should be a nice deal. We'll see its a few months off.

**DrJRapp** · 28 September 2007, 19:01 Friday

Originally posted by RebelMan

IOW, the D2 wasn't all that. :W

Not what I said.

**RebelMan** · 01 October 2007, 18:38 Monday

Originally posted by DrJRapp

Not what I said.

Stating that the DTC-9.8 is nearly all that the D2 is for a quarter of the cost clearly implies something. If you didn't say what you meant or didn't mean what you said then why say it at all? Regardless of whether you found the DTC-9.8 to measure up to the D2 or that the D2 wasn't worth the extra expense to you, the comments made were a clear indication that the D2 wasn't all that. Technically you didn't say it verbatim, I did, but like it or not you implied the same. :W

**Kal Rubinson** · 01 October 2007, 18:58 Monday

Originally posted by RebelMan

Stating that the DTC-9.8 is nearly all that the D2 is for a quarter of the cost clearly implies something. If you didn't say what you meant or didn't mean what you said then why say it at all? Regardless of whether you found the DTC-9.8 to measure up to the D2 or that the D2 wasn't worth the extra expense to you, the comments made were a clear indication that the D2 wasn't all that. Technically you didn't say it verbatim, I did, but like it or not you implied the same. :W

That's only one interpretation. Another is that the 9.8 is an overachiever which approximates the lofty performance of the D2 at a fraction of the cost. Equally valid interpretation, no?

Kal

**RebelMan** · 01 October 2007, 19:06 Monday

Originally posted by Kal Rubinson

That's only one interpretation. Another is that the 9.8 is an overachiever which approximates the lofty performance of the D2 at a fraction of the cost. Equally valid interpretation, no?Kal

Standing on opposite sides of the same bridge, I would say so. :B

**DrJRapp** · 01 October 2007, 21:06 Monday

Originally posted by RebelMan

Stating that the DTC-9.8 is nearly all that the D2 is for a quarter of the cost clearly implies something. :W

Yes it clearly implies that the DTC is nearly all that the D2 is for a quarter of the cost, nothing more nothing less.

**RebelMan** · 02 October 2007, 01:01 Tuesday

Originally posted by DrJRapp

Yes it clearly implies that the DTC is nearly all that the D2 is for a quarter of the cost, nothing more nothing less.

Wherein lies the idiom "not all that". :P

**gostan** · 02 October 2007, 06:03 Tuesday

Originally posted by DrJRapp

Yes it clearly implies that the DTC is nearly all that the D2 is for a quarter of the cost, nothing more nothing less.

Jerry & Rebelman: Love this little diatrabe..But :Z the fact is that the Integra 9.8 and the Anthem D2 are both heavily backordered so you cannot walk into your local dealer and purchase either pre-pro. So, they both must be doing something(s) very satisfactory for their respective purchasers. And, for what it is worth, the msrp of the D2 is now $6900 and the msrp of the 9.8 is $1600. Come on, Jerry I know that you can handle this math equation. :rofl:

**ayrton** · 03 October 2007, 00:04 Wednesday

Power of the 9.8?

Hi all!

I am considering getting on the " Waiting List ".

I don't plan on spending $1,600 on something I don't know the output of. Is this info given at the dealer or you just guess?

If anyone knows, I would appreciate that info.

Thanks a million,

ayrton

**Hdale85** · 03 October 2007, 01:01 Wednesday

The output?

**Kal Rubinson** · 03 October 2007, 06:46 Wednesday

Originally posted by ayrton

Hi all!

I am considering getting on the " Waiting List ".

I don't plan on spending $1,600 on something I don't know the output of. Is this info given at the dealer or you just guess?

8 RCA, 8 XLR plus 2nd and 3rd zones plus tape loop.

Kal

**ayrton** · 03 October 2007, 19:23 Wednesday

Power Output Of DTC-9-8

I guess I wasn't clear on my first post.

If you look at Post #1, it gives the specs of the 9.8.

It States: POWER (8ohms 20-20kHz 0.08%) /CH N/A

POWER (8ohms 20-20kHz 0.05%) /CH N/A

N/A doesn't mean much for a $ 1,600 box. I searched the Web and Integra's site and all I get is N/A.

I don't know if my speakers will work with N/A!

**Hdale85** · 03 October 2007, 19:28 Wednesday

It's not a reciever. It's a pre/pro you use it with a power amp. The amp is external.

**ayrton** · 03 October 2007, 22:22 Wednesday

Originally posted by Dougie085

It's not a reciever. It's a pre/pro you use it with a power amp. The amp is external.

Thanks Dougie. I guess that is a good reason. ;x(

DTC-9.8, THX Ultra2, 7.1-Channel 3-Zone Preamplifier/Processor

DTC-9.8, THX Ultra2, 7.1-Channel 3-Zone Preamplifier/Processor

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