If Parasound were smart...

[Chetk]

They would be working REALLY hard to make a Halo Blu-Ray player that is HDMI 1.3 compliant with DTS-HD, Dolby TRUE-HD and Dolby Digital Plus compatibility. With component outputs and built in decoding of the above audio formats for 7.1 RCA analog out. This would make it compatible with the C1 and C2.

They could sell it for $2,000 - $2,500 if they hurry. Of course, the exterior case would have to matche the current Halo line.

[Chetk]

As a follow-up product. They could make the C3 and C4. Basically, they would look exactly like the C1 and C2 respectively, but would include HDMI 1.3 inputs and they would decode the new audio formats mentioned above.

[Chris D]

Hmmm... "Halo"... "Blu"-Ray... blue halos... could be cool, man, could be cool. This would still be my next dream product from Parasound.

[Andrew M Ward]

They would be working REALLY hard to make a Halo Blu-Ray player that is HDMI 1.3 compliant with DTS-HD, Dolby TRUE-HD and Dolby Digital Plus compatibility. With component outputs and built in decoding of the above audio formats for 7.1 RCA analog out. This would make it compatible with the C1 and C2.

They could sell it for $2,000 - $2,500 if they hurry. Of course, the exterior case would have to matche the current Halo line.

wow,
HDMI 1.3 compliance isn't even a standard yet... It'll be 12 months before we really know what 1.3 exactly is (or will be). Unless something dramatic has happened over the last 48 hours while I was away?

Blu-Ray players will only send 520P out over component...no higher (it's tha law) so a blu-ray player with component out is kinda like a regualr DVD player that you could get for $49.00

[Chris D]

Yeah, true Blu-Ray and HD-DVD stuff is still over the horizon for everybody. Even the products that are about to be released in the next few months have bugs, resolution restriction (not full 1080p) etc. I think Chet's point about the component outs was just to supplant the primary HD output of HDMI, not to replace it.

[Andrew M Ward]

Yeah, true Blu-Ray and HD-DVD stuff is still over the horizon for everybody. Even the products that are about to be released in the next few months have bugs, resolution restriction (not full 1080p) etc. I think Chet's point about the component outs was just to supplant the primary HD output of HDMI, not to replace it.

Yeah,
In fact component in the future will be considered a standard-def connection. The new restrictions have made sure of that. :cry:

Now they have their gun sights set on DVI 1.0

Thye want to kill that connection as a Hi-Def means of delivery... all those Sharp LCDs for 2001 to 2005 are no longer Hi-Def if that happens...

3.5 million TV's and TV owners (all pissed) if DVI 1.0 gets hammered.

[Chetk]

Blu-Ray players will only send 520P out over component...no higher (it's tha law) so a blu-ray player with component out is kinda like a regualr DVD player that you could get for $49.00

This is absolutely wrong. Blu-Ray players will only send 520p out over component IF a digital flag is included on the Blu-Ray disc. MOST Blu-Ray supporting studios (including Sony) have already stated that they will not include the flag on their discs. Thus, it's up to the studio whether or not the movie gets down-rezzed to 520p, but most have said they won't use it.

By the way, this is the same for HD-DVD too.

[Chetk]

I think Chet's point about the component outs was just to supplant the primary HD output of HDMI, not to replace it.

Correct. There are many of us with HDTV's that don't have HDCP compliant HDMI ports. Component only.

[Chetk]

Now they have their gun sights set on DVI 1.0

Thye want to kill that connection as a Hi-Def means of delivery...

3.5 million TV's and TV owners (all pissed) if DVI 1.0 gets hammered.

The problem here lies with HDCP compliancy. Since DVI 1.0 does not support HDCP, if the digital flag is present, DVI 1.0 will be outdated.

[Andrew M Ward]

This is absolutely wrong. Blu-Ray players will only send 520p out over component IF a digital flag is included on the Blu-Ray disc. MOST Blu-Ray supporting studios (including Sony) have already stated that they will not include the flag on their discs. Thus, it's up to the studio whether or not the movie gets down-rezzed to 520p, but most have said they won't use it.

By the way, this is the same for HD-DVD too.

So let me see if i've got this right...
A regular DVD player with a built-in scaler is only allowed to send 480P down its component outputs (if the manufactuere has signed the latest agreements)

but

A Blu-ray and HD-DVD player will output high definition resolutions via component? That does not make any sense... (to me anyway)

So what exactly is being protected?

That seems to be in conflict with the agreements that I laid my eyes on...I'm not saying it's not true (I believe you) I'm just saying it's absolutely shady and annoying for the content guys to play the game they are playing.

Regualr scaling DVD players get penalized
and new HD format players don't

(thats just too F*%ked up for me to grasp)

[Chetk]

It is a bit messed up Andrew and I can't necessarily fault you for not understanding.

To clear things up a bit: Talking about DVD and talking about HD-discs are like talking about Minor League Baseball vs. Major League Baseball. Both have their set rules. The baseball players get paid differently. But you don't see minor league players playing games in the major league. Maybe that doesn't clear things up.

Basically, they're two different ball games. Each with their own set of rules.

Currently, if you look at the new Toshiba HD-DVD player, there are a lot of folks playing Serenity, Phantom of the Opera and The Last Samari via component at 1080i. Because they don't have the ICT flag activated.

Since DVD doesn't have such a ICT flag and DVDs are copywriten, they are not allowed to be upconverted via component.

It just boils down to the fact that times have changed since DVD and the rules have been rewritten for the newer formats. The ICT flag now gives the studios the power to control whether or not the movie will be downconverted via analog component.