help with buying b&w system

[nimrodasas]

hi everyone
i would like to buy b&w 800 series speakers
its for HT with a little music

i would like to know if there is a huge diffrence between 803 diamond to 804 diamond

and i wanted to know if the combo of this system is good
804 diamond
htm4diamond
lx83
and intgrated of m6i music fidlity to add later on

can i take 803diamond with htm4DIAMOND
or 804diamond with HTM2diamond
thanks!

[Skyblue]

803diamonds with the htm2diamond. Wont regret it

[beden1]

The HTM2D is a perfect match for the 803Ds.

The HTM4D matches the 804Ds.

I guess B&W no longer cares about 802D and 800D owners?

[Skyblue]

I thought someone mentioned that you could still order the htm1d as a special order. Calling them and asking cant hurt.

[nimrodasas]

and what about the rear speakers
thanks

[htsteve]

nimrodasas,

First of all, welcome to the forum! :T

Beden1 has laid out the best center channel-main speaker combo. Given your preference of HT with some music listening, getting the best center channel you can would be best. The HTM2Di is superb. So in your choices, the 804Di and HTM2Di would be quite good.

As SkyBlue said, the best solution (for both HT and music) would be the best performing solution.

With respect to rear speakers, given your HT setup, the goal would be to match the match the rears as close as you can to the fronts. So B&W speakers would be the place to start. Then the same series (800 series).

Then there is the bookshelf vs. towers for rears thought process. I love towers as rears. Given the uncompressed audio on Blu Ray discs, the capability of the rears can be fully utilized.


Hope this helps.

[Rod#S]

The HTM2D is a perfect match for the 803Ds.

The HTM4D matches the 804Ds.

I guess B&W no longer cares about 802D and 800D owners?

It was indeed a sad day when we heard that the HTM1D was being discontinued and would not see the refinements of the new Diamond series. I very much enjoy my HTM2 Diamond but had a HTM1 Diamond been available I would have surely purchased it.

[Rod#S]

I thought someone mentioned that you could still order the htm1d as a special order. Calling them and asking cant hurt.

Yes this has indeed been mentioned in the forums but I don't think anyone ever posted what type of pricing a custom order would cost.

[Skyblue]

Yes this has indeed been mentioned in the forums but I don't think anyone ever posted what type of pricing a custom order would cost.

I never saw that either. But if one is interested in such a speaker, a phone call is the least you can spend

[spaceteddy]

i would like to know if there is a huge diffrence between 803 diamond to 804 diamond

Hi, I was reading this tread and since I was asking somehow the same question myself some time ago here, you might read this old tread:

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=37950&highlight=803d+804d

Greetings

[nimrodasas]

thanks for replay i have another question what will happend if i'll try to drive the 804 diamond with lx83 reciver only by pioneer?
and does anyone knows if there is a diffrent between 803 and 804 regarding to the amp i'lll need to drive it?
i tought about music fidality mi6
thanks for help

[htsteve]

what will happend if i'll try to drive the 804 diamond with lx83 reciver only by pioneer?
and does anyone knows if there is a diffrent between 803 and 804 regarding to the amp i'lll need to drive it?
i tought about music fidality mi6
thanks for help

The B&W 800 series are really designed for external amps or quality integrated amps (like the MF mi6). Running the 804 or 803s off a reciever is asking for trouble (underdriving speakers can damage them).

As for an amp for the 804s or 803's, a high current 200 watt amp is a good place to start. The mi6, with its dual mono amp design, is a very nice choice for those level of speakers.

The 803, however, will benefit from more power/current, given its extra bass unit.


Hope this helps.

[nimrodasas]

underdriving speakers can damage them).
wow really?
i cant be with out amp like 6 month?

[nimrodasas]

and one last question
from home teather is it bad to buy only 5 speakers with out subwofer?
how much it will damage the sound quality

[htsteve]

and one last question
from home teather is it bad to buy only 5 speakers with out subwofer?
how much it will damage the sound quality

For excellent HT, a sub is needed. Without one, you really miss the low end, and good integration with the rest of the speakers.

Having said that, you can wait a bit on a sub if your amplification of the speakers is really good. Like a very good amp on 803's will produce quite good bass.

An HT can sound good without a sub, but it really is missing a key component of a proper set up.


Hope this helps.

[htsteve]

underdriving speakers can damage them).
wow really?
i cant be with out amp like 6 month?

Underpowering a speaker is likely to damage the voice coil due to the excess heat created by distortion. This distortion, called clipping, is created when the amp is not able to supply the power demand when the volume is turned up. If you turn the volume up very high without the power to back it up, you'll end up clipping the signal coming out of the amp. The speaker will try to reproduce this clipped signal, and if played under these circumstances for any length of time, the speaker will not last very long.


This description would be especially true of the 803's. With three bass drivers, it requires lots of power.


Hope this helps.

[nimrodasas]

thanks alot..

[nimrodasas]

sumarry - buying 803 diamond with HTM2 and mi6 connects to lx83 and later add a sub and match a good rear speakers sould be my choice..?

1)i can sleep well with mi6 connect to 803DIAMOND ?

2)i dont need a second amp for htm2d right?

3)and in wall speaker can be good as regular speaker? is b&w creates 800 series match in wall speakers? has anyone knows how is it compare let say 805d


thanks alot guys this forum is awsome!!!

[htsteve]

nimrodasas,

Your summary sounds very good. The M6i is an integrated amp, so it does 2 channel processing and amplification. However, the M6i has an HT bypass, so you can integrate it into the Pioneer lx83.

Later on, you can add a sub to complete the system.


My answers to questions 1 to 3:

#1 - Yes, and integrate it into the HT system. This would be an excellent set up.

#2 - Not right away on a second amp. However, there will be tonality differences between the MF and your receiver. At some point it is best to get the second amp. Then you will hear system synergy.

#3 - In wall speakers, properly framed and installed, can sound quite excellent. B&W makes high performing in walls.


Hope this helps.

[nimrodasas]

perfect thanks alot