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  • zork
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 14

    4 ohms on 802di

    hi
    can i run a pair of monoblocks 4ohms (635w per channel)on 802 di's
    i see that the 802di is 8ohms speaker
  • mjb
    Super Senior Member
    • Mar 2005
    • 1483

    #2
    Yes, 4 or 8 ohms relates to the amps power rating (ie, 635W @ 4 ohms), not the suggested load impedance. The speaker probably isn't 8 ohm across its whole bandwidth either, they can dip to 4 ohms (or lower) too.
    - Mike

    Main System:
    B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
    Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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    • zork
      Junior Member
      • Jan 2010
      • 14

      #3
      thanks
      i am running a rotel rmb1095 bi amp on my 802's
      400 w per channel
      if i go with the mono's will it make a difference(better)?
      pre is a rotel rsp1069

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      • Kal Rubinson
        Super Senior Member
        • Mar 2006
        • 2109

        #4
        Originally posted by mjb
        Yes, 4 or 8 ohms relates to the amps power rating (ie, 635W @ 4 ohms), not the suggested load impedance. The speaker probably isn't 8 ohm across its whole bandwidth either, they can dip to 4 ohms (or lower) too.
        With most amps, that is true. With transformer output amps, such as the McIntosh MC-303 I am currently using, there are separate outputs for each specified load. That said, the 802D and the 800Di are 4ohms from below 100Hz to almost 1000Hz and sound better on the 4ohm tap. We have not measured the 802Di.

        Kal
        Kal Rubinson
        _______________________________
        "Music in the Round"
        Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
        http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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        • mjb
          Super Senior Member
          • Mar 2005
          • 1483

          #5
          Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
          That said, the 802D and the 800Di are 4ohms from below 100Hz to almost 1000Hz and sound better on the 4ohm tap. We have not measured the 802Di.

          Kal
          You might have used the "4 ohm tap", but you still haven't changed the listed amplifier rating

          A agree, the 800/802 are practically 4 ohm speakers, so where an output transformer is involved, the 4 ohm tap will provide a better match. This does not apply to Solid state amps which have a close to zero output impedance anyway.
          - Mike

          Main System:
          B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
          Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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          • mjb
            Super Senior Member
            • Mar 2005
            • 1483

            #6
            Originally posted by zork
            thanks
            i am running a rotel rmb1095 bi amp on my 802's
            400 w per channel
            if i go with the mono's will it make a difference(better)?
            pre is a rotel rsp1069
            Zork, at the risk of opening a can of worms, a bi-amped rmb-1095 cannot really be considered as a 400 watt amp. A dedicated 400 watt amp will always sound much better.
            - Mike

            Main System:
            B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
            Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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            • zork
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 14

              #7
              i can get a pair of
              NuForce Reference 9SE V3 monoblocks
              will it improve my sound

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              • mjb
                Super Senior Member
                • Mar 2005
                • 1483

                #8
                Originally posted by zork
                i can get a pair of
                NuForce Reference 9SE V3 monoblocks
                will it improve my sound
                Highly possible!
                - Mike

                Main System:
                B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
                Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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                • Skyblue
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 504

                  #9
                  What exactly do I do to change to 4 ohm mode? Its not clearly described in the manual. At least not to the point where I get it
                  B&W 800 Diamond, B&W805S, B&W DB1, Classe SSP 800, DIY Icepower ASX2 600W monos, Ayre QB9, JPlay.

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                  • Kal Rubinson
                    Super Senior Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 2109

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Skyblue
                    What exactly do I do to change to 4 ohm mode? Its not clearly described in the manual. At least not to the point where I get it
                    ??? What amp do you have? Does it have such an option?
                    Kal Rubinson
                    _______________________________
                    "Music in the Round"
                    Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                    http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                    • Skyblue
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 504

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                      ??? What amp do you have? Does it have such an option?
                      I have 600 watts diy icepower asx250 modules. No such option no.
                      B&W 800 Diamond, B&W805S, B&W DB1, Classe SSP 800, DIY Icepower ASX2 600W monos, Ayre QB9, JPlay.

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                      • Kal Rubinson
                        Super Senior Member
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 2109

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Skyblue
                        I have 600 watts diy icepower asx250 modules. No such option no.
                        Those work automatically! :T
                        Kal Rubinson
                        _______________________________
                        "Music in the Round"
                        Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                        http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                        • Pedro
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 303

                          #13
                          The "old" 802D down below 2 ohms according to stereophile reviews in low frequencies. I dont think so about the new model the impedance curve but they should down to 3ohms minimum. In my experience picking an excelent amp with good current for 2 ohm like Krell Evolution or something that "doubles" the output power is the best choice :T

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                          • stuofsci02
                            Super Senior Member
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 1241

                            #14
                            Being stable into 2 ohms is certainly nice. I don't think the doubling the power output from 8 to 4 to 2 ohms is really that important. Usually this just means the manufacturer has derated the output into 8 and 4 ohms.
                            Main System:
                            B&W 801D
                            Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
                            Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
                            Oppo BDP-105
                            Squeezebox Touch


                            Second System:
                            B&W CM7
                            Emotiva UMC-1
                            Emotiva UPA-2
                            Oppo BDP-83SE
                            Grant Fidelity DAC-09

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                            • zork
                              Junior Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 14

                              #15
                              so it will be better?
                              on the nuforce mono's there is also no setting to go from 8 to 4 to 2 ohms
                              does it do it itself,how does it know which ohms to use?

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                              • mjb
                                Super Senior Member
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 1483

                                #16
                                Originally posted by zork
                                on the nuforce mono's there is also no setting to go from 8 to 4 to 2 ohms
                                Please forget about this - it does not apply to solid state amps!

                                It only applies to valve amplifiers with big output transformers. Required because a valve is a very high voltage device, with a high output impedance. A transformer is used to convert the output to be compatible with audio loudspeakers, and in order to do this as well as possible, sometimes more than one winding tap is offered (4 ohm, 8 or 16).

                                Solid state amplifiers have low (or zero) impedance outputs, and do not require a transformer.
                                - Mike

                                Main System:
                                B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
                                Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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                                • mjb
                                  Super Senior Member
                                  • Mar 2005
                                  • 1483

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by zork
                                  so it will be better?
                                  Thats your call I'm affraid
                                  - Mike

                                  Main System:
                                  B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
                                  Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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