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Originally posted by btf1980Why is that sad? I actually think it's brilliant, that an inexpensive videogame console is superior to any player on the market. Maybe it can give both the mainstream and boutique vendors some motivation to release worthy players. Right now, if the PS3 gets the spring update that will enable it to internally decode DTS HD, then it will be not only the cheapest BD player, but the wisest choice in a player amongst the sea of overpriced paperweights, provided you don't need analog outs. Firmware updates are instant and automatic. Companies should not just rest on their laurels and let their name carry them so they can release half baked, shoddy products.Santino
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I do not believe Bray is going to die soon/easy... but a HD player with better features than HD-DVD, and nearly as good of features as a blue ray... at less than 1/6 of the average cost for a player... with Movies on the consumer shelf averaging $12.50 USD for a new release....
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October 2007 • Vol.7 Issue 10 (CPU)
Page(s) 48-51 in print issue
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Those convinced that blue-laser, high-definition optical disc technologies will inevitably dominate the HD market might have to take their fingers off the fast-forward button and press pause instead if the British company NME (New Medium Enterprises) has its way.
NME has developed a multilayer optical disc technology—called VMD (Versatile Multilayer Disc)—that makes use of the same red-laser technology found in DVDs. By making use of multiple layers, VMD is able to store data in portions of the optical disc that the DVD standard could not, which allows VMD to greatly increase the storage capacity of the optical disc, enough that VMD can store an entire HD movie on a single disc.
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With its VMD technology, NME will compete directly with other types of high-definition, high-capacity optical disc formats, including HD DVD and Blu-ray. VMD differs from the other two major high-definition formats because it uses a red laser, while HD DVD and Blu-ray use blue lasers. Blue lasers involve a smaller wavelength than red lasers, allowing disc makers to create smaller pits and store more data on an optical disc. However, red lasers are less expensive than blue lasers, and NME expects to be able to sell VMD players and discs at a price far less than the blue-laser HD options. VMD can support an HD resolution up to 1080i or 1080p, just like HD DVD and Blu-ray. Keep in mind that NME has designed VMD to be versatile, too; when blue-laser technology is more stable and less expensive to implement, NME plans to incorporate support for blue laser in its VMD players.
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Even though Blu-ray and HD DVD have a significant head start over VMD in bringing their products to the market, Jayanarayan says NME isn’t concerned. He says NME is aiming its VMD players and discs at a price similar to DVDs . . . a segment that already has proven successful. Consumers have shown they’re willing to pay $10 to $15 for DVDs and $100 to $150 for DVD players, so Jayanarayan foresees success for his company’s HD option.
“The blue-laser devices will survive if rich people want to buy the players,” Jayanarayan says. “The red-laser market is already huge because of DVDs. We are targeting a market in the mid-income group where other, similar technologies have survived. The penetration of Blu-ray and HD DVD is very small worldwide. . . . I believe their players will not come close to the affordability that we can.”
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The two initial players to be released are the ML622S and the ML777S. The ML622S will cost approximately $150 USD. The ML777S costs currently (2008-01) USD 200 and includes USB ports (for connection to external storage devices) and a media-card reader.[1]
In the WORLD marketplace, this product has a much greater success of living than the relatively low rate BR seller. I know that BR should take off in the US strongly now that Toshiba is out of the way... but this may overtake it within a few years. The biggest hurdle is the content (non-existent)... but that will not be for long.
edit note: do not use spell check when you are tired... and when you desire Blu Ray... as you may notice, you get Blue Ray... oopsLast edited by Landspeeder; 27 February 2008, 21:37 Wednesday.- Bottom
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For the us market I fear that may be true... elsewhere is a different story... but the price may be a big deciding factor... can blu ray (sony driven) lower their prices before VMD goes to actual market aka 'big box stores'
We shall see.Last edited by Landspeeder; 27 February 2008, 21:38 Wednesday.- Bottom
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Originally posted by Dougie085Inexpensive video game console? It's the most expensive console And it is sad because I'd rather have a stand alone player.
I don't get it though. On some forums, people will spend thousands on a CDP, but will balk at $399.99 for a PS3. I've played around with quite a few players, and one thing I noticed was how fast the discs started up on the PS3 compared to stand alones. I would get a PS3 if I wanted a BD player right now. Nothing else compares. The latest Panny is a great player, but it has that LFE issue, but I heard they issued an update to address that. I would not get the Panny over a PS3. If a person can't lower themselves to have a <gasp> game console that will play BD's just as efficiently as any BD player on the market, then I guess they can go on ahead and wait for the Marantz or Denon flagship BD players that will retail for around 2K. So far, I haven't seen anything yet that will make me replace my PS3, including the future offerings from Marantz or Denon. Oppo has said they will release a BD player, and knowing them, if it will also play SACD, DVD-A as well, then consider me sold. Until then, it's all a wishlist and the PS3 still reigns supreme. I know some of the snobs won't like to hear that, and many have convinced themselves that it has to be inferior since it plays those "games" and does not have the "look" of hifi gear. Whatever, their loss. They are free to spend a small fortune on inferior gear. Goldmund has a $17K player, maybe that's up their alley. :lol:A camera, passport, good music, good food and good company is all I need.- Bottom
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Originally posted by littlesaintThe problem is it's the cheapest player and is still at least $100 to expensive. Plus, in my eyes (and I currently own one) it's not a Blu-ray player. It's a game console that plays Blu-ray discs. It doesn't scale DVD as well as a standalone player should be capable of with the right scaler. As far as updates, firmware updates should be instant once 2.0 profile players arrive.A camera, passport, good music, good food and good company is all I need.- Bottom
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The Xbox 360 elite is not needed. All the Xbox 360's now have HDMI the only thing the elite offers is its all black and it has a 120gig hard drive. Also I do not have a piece of gear in my system worth thousands and I know there are a lot of people on these forums that don't as well. Secondly the PS3 is not really aimed at big buck market its aimed at middle and lower class as thats the majority of people. The PS3 should be around 299-350 because its a game console. I would much rather have a standalone player then the PS3 and thats why I've waited. I have not purchased a PS3 because there are no big games on it and I won't purchase it just to play Blu-Ray movies.- Bottom
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Originally posted by btf1980Why is that sad? I actually think it's brilliant, that an inexpensive videogame console is superior to any player on the market. Maybe it can give both the mainstream and boutique vendors some motivation to release worthy players. Right now, if the PS3 gets the spring update that will enable it to internally decode DTS HD, then it will be not only the cheapest BD player, but the wisest choice in a player amongst the sea of overpriced paperweights, provided you don't need analog outs. Firmware updates are instant and automatic. Companies should not just rest on their laurels and let their name carry them so they can release half baked, shoddy products.
Why is it sad? Because I dont want a videio game console as my main movie player in my HT rack. In my opinion there is no reason qulity stand alone player should not be able to equal or surpas the quality of a game console...besides...the PS3 is the worste game console (for games I have ever bought) and I have owned...colico vision, nintendo, super nintendo, sega, sega genesis, PS2, Xbox and Xbox 360.
Its very sad that out of all the BD players on the market if i want the best I have to buy a video game console. I am really looking forward to quality stand alone BD players.
Before this format war I would never of had sony or toshiba in my HT rack let alone a game console as my primary movie player. Sorry if that sounds snobby its not meant to be, but its true.- Bottom
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My tuppenceworth.....
The PS3 does so much for so little. It's my only BRP and and will remain so for the time being. The PS3 is much more than a games console and the speed and ease of its upgradability for me makes it a great buy for the masses. Right now and these are the features I use regularly - I play games, I watch Bluray, I watch DVD, I browse the web, I stream HD video and lossless audio from my PC - sounds OK. I also store all my lower res MP3s on it for parties etc. It also does not sound like a hairdryer.
For the same price as a PS3 you can get BRPs from Samsun, Philips and LG.
Is it the best bluray player? Not quite. But, and in the context of where we are with the development of this format - it's a bloody good one.
What is the best one?, well I'll wait till we see what Denon and Marantz present when their new players are launched.Vincent.
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Again though, it is not a Blu-player. It's a game console that plays Blu-ray discs and much more. Many people don't want a game console, and don't need the "much more". They just want a Blu-ray player.Santino
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Originally posted by btf1980You think the PS3 should be $299? Just for frame of reference, the nintendo wii is $250. I don't think the PS3 will be that cheap for at least another 2 years. It's still cheaper than the Xbox 360 Elite. Get a cheap Oppo player if you need to upscale dvds.
Add in Oppo? So now I need to spend another $200? BTW, Oppos are good scalers, but not that good...yet.Santino
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Originally posted by VancouverIn my opinion there is no reason qulity stand alone player should not be able to equal or surpas the quality of a game console...
Originally posted by VancouverBefore this format war I would never of had sony or toshiba in my HT rack let alone a game console as my primary movie player. Sorry if that sounds snobby its not meant to be, but its true.A camera, passport, good music, good food and good company is all I need.- Bottom
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Originally posted by littlesaintMany people don't want a game console, and don't need the "much more". They just want a Blu-ray player.
Your point is ultimatly moot though as it is a games console as well as a media player that plays BRDs. For what it is it's amazing value.
For me I want all the cake and the PS3 is perfect for that. When the right standalone player hits the streets, then I'll get one.Vincent.
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Originally posted by Dougie085The Xbox 360 elite is not needed. All the Xbox 360's now have HDMI the only thing the elite offers is its all black and it has a 120gig hard drive. Also I do not have a piece of gear in my system worth thousands and I know there are a lot of people on these forums that don't as well. Secondly the PS3 is not really aimed at big buck market its aimed at middle and lower class as thats the majority of people. The PS3 should be around 299-350 because its a game console. I would much rather have a standalone player then the PS3 and thats why I've waited. I have not purchased a PS3 because there are no big games on it and I won't purchase it just to play Blu-Ray movies.A camera, passport, good music, good food and good company is all I need.- Bottom
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Originally posted by littlesaintIf the PS3 is to be considered strictly a Blu-ray player, it needs to be cheaper. As a game console I guess it's priced OK, but if you remove Blu-ray from that equation, I think it is way overpriced. For those who need everything, it's a great deal. Problem is most people don't want, let alone need, everything.
Add in Oppo? So now I need to spend another $200? BTW, Oppos are good scalers, but not that good...yet.
I guess some people can't get over the fact that it plays games as well. Oh well. You'll be waiting a very long time for that superb player that does everything yet is $199.99.A camera, passport, good music, good food and good company is all I need.- Bottom
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Originally posted by btf1980I'm not really following, all the other vendors have players that are more expensive than the PS3, yet the PS3 needs to be cheaper? It's the cheapest girl in town. Why would you remove blu-ray from the equation? It's in the equation. Some offerings from Sharp, Samsung or Phillips are inexpensive (compared to the average prices of players) but then you have to contend with buggy players, players that don't decode hi-res audio etc. For what you paid for those paperweights, you could have purchased a bug free, dolby tru hd decoding PS3, and hopefully soon dts hd as well. :E
I guess some people can't get over the fact that it plays games as well. Oh well. You'll be waiting a very long time for that superb player that does everything yet is $199.99.Last edited by littlesaint; 27 February 2008, 11:43 Wednesday.Santino
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With the announcement of the new Sony S550, along with a further examination of the the Panny BD50 AND the fact my wife (who bought me my first HD DVD player for Christmas) said she will buy me a Blu-ray for next Christmas, I think I will be getting one of these two (barring some disastrous flaws with both of them). Internal decoding of ALL audio codecs AND 5.1/7.1 analogue MCH outputs make these the cream of the crop for me.- Bottom
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Originally posted by btf1980I agree with you wholeheartedly there. However, don't you think the PS3 will help CE companies step their game up? It won't hurt us as consumers. When a videogame console is a bigger threat to you that standard players, then maybe these CE companies should get on the ball and stop releasing substandard, buggy, inferior players. The PS3 is kicking their ass. They needed a swift kick imo.
I understand. To each is own. That's your preference, and to some extent I used to think like that, but if something is just as effective as a boutique vendor, or in many instances is superior, I just can't in good conscience buy the inferior product because the name of the company is heralded and is regarded by many as "elite", it makes no difference if the product they are releasing is not up to snuff. I think many products that are on the higher end are just resting on their laurels and relying on their name to sell units. They keep releasing old, antiquated gear yet they charge an arm and a leg. Maybe the PS3 can jumpstart their creative juices and give them the energy they need to release something worthwhile. The Denon and Marantz units look interesting, but they are 5 times the price of the PS3, but will it be 5 times better, not likely. The Marantz doesn't even have an ethernet port. No sir, i'll pass on them both. Some people might feel these offerings are worth it, I certainly don't. If they want my money, then they are going to have to step up and offer something superior. Add in SACD, DVD-A, profile 2.0, internal decoding of dolby true hd and dts hd. Until then, i'm not spending more or less the same amount of money of what it cost me to pay for my pre-amp (Rotel rsp-1069) on a blu-ray player that doesn't do anything the PS3 won't, except look pretty in a rack. That makes no sense to me personally.
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The format war between hd-dvd and blu-ray had just came to a conclusion and a new one starts within the last remaining one (subdivison) and is beginning to become very sad like with its constant argumentative approach and not one thing leading to rectify or improving the situation at this moment,one person wont use a console because they say its not a blu-ray player (infact it is) and plays cds/sacd/dvds with blu-ray,can also store fotos,themes,wallpaper,linux and if you or relatives are on vacation (paris at the tower) and have a psp with them can take snapshots,turn the ps3 on from where they are standing and download to its hardrive,the ps3 is a sleek (ultra modern) and capable unit and not one person should feel embarrassed by having it in their av cabinets and then another is waiting for a more expensive unit (better build qualities) but the price may be too high?
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It's not a matter of being embarrassed. It's the fact that if I want a PS3 its not going to be for Blu-Ray at least not solely for it as in I would want to have good games on it... the only thing thats coming out that I remotely want on that console is GT5.- Bottom
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Saying the PS3 is not considered a Blu-Ray player because of the price is silly IMO.
Why? Because for the longest time it was the CHEAPEST Blu-Ray playing device on the market, cheaper, and better.
(on a side note I am willing to bet its the ONLY BR player that is being sold at a loss...)
Checking on www.bestbuy.com its still the cheapest.
So what makes it not a blu-ray player again?B&W- Bottom
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Originally posted by Race Car DriverSaying the PS3 is not considered a Blu-Ray player because of the price is silly IMO.
So what makes it not a blu-ray player again?
On a serious note, I know quite a few people who abandoned their stand alone players for the PS3 and they couldn't be happier. They are not gamers at all, their PS3's are solely for blu-ray playback. It doesn't have to be a game machine if you don't want it to be.A camera, passport, good music, good food and good company is all I need.- Bottom
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There is no doubt the PS3 is the best BD player...but its not a good player. I can garauntee you when the CEs catch up we will see just how crappy the PS3 is. We praise it becuase it offers basic things that that other lack. i.e. it can update to a non obsolete player; it has an internet connection and can decode most audio formats.
Here is the problem...I want a BD player which offers as much as todays (even yesterdays) good DVD players offer. Here are some basic things missing.
1.) A good BD player will decode ALL audio formats. ALL of them.
2.) A good BD player will allow you to choose PCM or Bitstream individually for each audio codec.
3.) A good player will decode other formats i.e. SACD, DVD A. The fact that the Denon doesnt offer the ability to decode these other formats is an insult. You know they can have player which will decode it all and you know they will. Adding DVD A or SACD to a BD player doesnt cost anymore then adding it to a DVD player. So I wonder why they arent adding it to their first one :roll: mmmm i wonder.
4.) A good BD player doesnt get hot and require lots of breathing room.
5.) A good BD player isnt exclusive to blue tooth. The fact you have to do a work around (which I do) or use another controller is primative.
Conclusion. Is the PS3 the best BD player on the market today? Yes. Is it a good BD player? Not in my opinion.- Bottom
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Vancouver, I think you are being unnecessarily harsh on the PS3.
1.) The PS3 WILL be 2.0 compliant.
2.) The PS3 WILL decode all of the advanced audio encodes.
3.) The PS3 CAN and MAY bitstream all of the advanced audio codecs but this is not a requirement to enjoy ALL the benefits of the new codecs.
4.) The PS3 supports SACD but the masses could careless. Its a nitch market anyway and I suspect in time you will careless too. Many of the high end companies are dropping further support of the obsolete format. The conditions are worse for DVD-A.
5.) The PS3 can get warm but not hot unless the environment you live in is hot and you are playing games, not watching Blu-ray discs. It can, however, get noisy but not nearly as bad as the Xbox 360. If conditions are cool like it is during the winter months then it's hardly noticeable provided that its not standing out in wide open spaces.
6.) Bluetooth rocks! I hate line of site IR. UHF and Bluetooth all the way baby! Apparently, you don't own any MAC equipment either.
7.) It's got built in WiFi. Will your standalones? I doubt it. Are you still living in the dark tethered ages my friend?
8.) It's black and black is beautiful.
9.) It's not purely intended for HT applications but it works and it was the cheapest thing going and still the fastest player BY A MILE. It's support of DVD is significantly better and good enough. But come now people who really cares about DVD. People want the PS3 for Blu-ray not DVD. If you want a top DVD player then get one. The PS3 is meant for people looking forward to real hires content. It's not intended for the Quasimodo types.
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Well a standalone player can upconvert very well. And when every DVD is not on Blu-Ray its important. I'd rather not have a different player for every format I use like DVD, BD, SACD, DVD-A the only thing I'd really consider a different player for is Redbook CD's and I'll be building a dac for that so thats really going to be the same player too most likely. Just because you don't want those things in a player doesn't mean other people won't. And just because other people don't want a PS3 doesn't make you right either there should be a standalone player at least equal in quality to the PS3 and the fact that there isn't is sad and going to change very soon I'm willing to bet.- Bottom
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I'm pretty sure that the PS3 is sold at a loss because (a) Sony is at war with Microsoft for the gamer share-of-wallet, and (b) the primary objective is to sell games where the margins are substantially higher - hence the need to have as many PS3 players out there as possible.
The PS3 is therefore probably a bargain for hi-fi enthusiasts who have no intention of paying the full price by purchasing games. I wouldn't be surprised if the people at Sony refer to hi-fi enthusiasts as "freeloaders", which is the term that credit card companies use to describe customers who pay the full amount owing by the due date.
Nigel.
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Originally posted by Dougie085Actually I'm pretty sure this time around Sony nor Microsoft are taking a loss on their consoles. They don't really make anything on them either though.B&W- Bottom
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It always happens,the audio video enthusiast buy first so the price can come down to a non-hobbiest or general consumer and then the format is able to make leaps and bounds and grow into something bigger but it also has this obsolete factor thats annoying and can leave a bitter taste. Whats great about audio is that a ten or twenty year old receiver or amp can still play or work even if its behind in tech as long as broadcasting formats remain the same.vhs was priced high then became more reasonable but everyone had to upgrade from monophonic if they wanted stereo and then there were too differant stereo formats within vhs itself (dolby stereo vs hi-fi) and Its not anyone heres fault,the manufacturers or companies should iron out the kinks first before releasing a incomplete product.Robert- Bottom
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Originally posted by RebelManVancouver, I think you are being unnecessarily harsh on the PS3.
1.) The PS3 WILL be 2.0 compliant.
Originally posted by RebelMan2.) The PS3 WILL decode all of the advanced audio encodes.
3.) The PS3 CAN and MAY bitstream all of the advanced audio codecs but this is not a requirement to enjoy ALL the benefits of the new codecs.
Originally posted by RebelMan4.) The PS3 supports SACD but the masses could careless. Its a nitch market anyway and I suspect in time you will careless too. Many of the high end companies are dropping further support of the obsolete format. The conditions are worse for DVD-A.
Originally posted by RebelMan5.) The PS3 can get warm but not hot unless the environment you live in is hot and you are playing games, not watching Blu-ray discs. It can, however, get noisy but not nearly as bad as the Xbox 360. If conditions are cool like it is during the winter months then it's hardly noticeable provided that its not standing out in wide open spaces.
Originally posted by RebelMan6.) Bluetooth rocks! I hate line of site IR. UHF and Bluetooth all the way baby! Apparently, you don't own any MAC equipment either.
Originally posted by RebelMan7.) It's got built in WiFi. Will your standalones? I doubt it. Are you still living in the dark tethered ages my friend?
Honestly...how much would it cost to add WiFi to a stand alone player? 3 bucks a player? probably less
Originally posted by RebelMan8.) It's black and black is beautiful.
Originally posted by RebelMan9.) It's not purely intended for HT applications but it works and it was the cheapest thing going and still the fastest player BY A MILE. .
Originally posted by RebelMan10.) The question that should be asked is "What can't it do?" (that matters!).
1.) It can't run in closed cabinet without over heating.
2.) You cant choose bitstream or PCM for each individual audio option.
3.) You cant control it with your universal remote without a tweek.
^^^ ill admit not huge issue...by hey you seemed to list being Black as a feature
4.) On board PL11x would be great to matrix 5.1 to 7.1.
5.) Perhaps ability to set speaker levels
Again I believe the PS3 is the best option today for a BD player. I have more gripes about how bad current stand alone players are (when clearly they dont have to be because its not like we are talking new technology here) then how bad the PS3 is.
Sure the Ps3 is powerful and can do any number of things. If only all that power could be directed to being a BD player only. Again its a game console primarily which can play movies, while I am after a quality movie player 100% built to play movies.
We may have to agree to disagree on this one because I see the PS3 as being the least worst choice as a BD player today. Its good but not great. I think in a year or two you will agree.- Bottom
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Originally posted by RebelManVancouver, I think you are being unnecessarily harsh on the PS3.
1.) The PS3 WILL be 2.0 compliant.
2.) The PS3 WILL decode all of the advanced audio encodes.
3.) The PS3 CAN and MAY bitstream all of the advanced audio codecs but this is not a requirement to enjoy ALL the benefits of the new codecs.
4.) The PS3 supports SACD but the masses could careless. Its a nitch market anyway and I suspect in time you will careless too. Many of the high end companies are dropping further support of the obsolete format. The conditions are worse for DVD-A.
5.) The PS3 can get warm but not hot unless the environment you live in is hot and you are playing games, not watching Blu-ray discs. It can, however, get noisy but not nearly as bad as the Xbox 360. If conditions are cool like it is during the winter months then it's hardly noticeable provided that its not standing out in wide open spaces.
6.) Bluetooth rocks! I hate line of site IR. UHF and Bluetooth all the way baby! Apparently, you don't own any MAC equipment either.
7.) It's got built in WiFi. Will your standalones? I doubt it. Are you still living in the dark tethered ages my friend?
8.) It's black and black is beautiful.
9.) It's not purely intended for HT applications but it works and it was the cheapest thing going and still the fastest player BY A MILE. It's support of DVD is significantly better and good enough. But come now people who really cares about DVD. People want the PS3 for Blu-ray not DVD. If you want a top DVD player then get one. The PS3 is meant for people looking forward to real hires content. It's not intended for the Quasimodo types.
10.) The question that should be asked is "What can't it do?" (that matters!).
Surely the PS3 will eventually do 1, 2 & 3, but you can't taut that as an advantage over the standalones, as they will also have software updates.
With #5, that was a legitimate beef as well. The PS3 does run much hotter and louder than the standalone blu-ray players. I'm not sure what the Xbox 360 has to do with anything.
On #6, you "hating" IR doesn't change the fact that most universal remotes out there are IR.
#7, wifi defnitely is a plus for the PS3, but saying that someone using a standalone blu-ray player (whether it has wifi or not) is in the dark ages is just ludicrous. and I think you underestimate the CE market if you don't think wifi will be included on standalones.
#8, obviously being black isn't exclusive to the PS3. and I think most HT people would much rather have a standard dvd player appearance over the game system look of the PS3.
#9, in comparison to the DVD players we're used to, all of these players are pathetically slow to start up. saying the PS3 is the fastest "by a mile" (I doubt that's even true) is like saying you're the fastest turtle. I also don't see how you're claiming the PS3's support of DVD is "significantly better". In what way is this the case? And also, like #6, just because you don't like something doesn't make it a moot issue. DVD upconversion is important in all of these players, considering the still tiny library of blu-ray movies available.
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You,know,come to think about it there was a game system that had the appearance of a ht dvd unit created by vm labs,games like temptest, manufactured by toshiba and had a great fast forward with a nice zoom feature but never sold well....may have had internet access too. Now,just to remember what it was called ...oh,yeah,nuon.Robert- Bottom
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Originally posted by Dougie085Well a standalone player can upconvert very well. And when every DVD is not on Blu-Ray its important. I'd rather not have a different player for every format I use like DVD, BD, SACD, DVD-A the only thing I'd really consider a different player for is Redbook CD's and I'll be building a dac for that so thats really going to be the same player too most likely. Just because you don't want those things in a player doesn't mean other people won't. And just because other people don't want a PS3 doesn't make you right either there should be a standalone player at least equal in quality to the PS3 and the fact that there isn't is sad and going to change very soon I'm willing to bet."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by VancouverThese are both the same to me and under "able to handle new audio codecs". Is there any DVD player under $200 which cant bitstream and decode every SD audio format? Again it should go without saying.I dont have a problem with how laud the PS3 is. Again I have never owned a stand alone player which made any noise. Its not areally a feature to even talk about becuase if it made a lot of noice I wouldnt own it. It does get hot thou. The fact that fans need to run and you cant play if in a closed cabinet means it gets to hot.1.) It can't run in closed cabinet without over heating.
2.) You cant choose bitstream or PCM for each individual audio option.
3.) You cant control it with your universal remote without a tweek.
4.) On board PL11x would be great to matrix 5.1 to 7.1.
5.) Perhaps ability to set speaker levels
2.) Why does that matter?
3.) Not a weakness but maybe an inconvenience.
4.) That's what your processor is for.
5.) Same as 4.We may have to agree to disagree on this one because I see the PS3 as being the least worst choice as a BD player today. Its good but not great. I think in a year or two you will agree."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by impala454I think you are being unnecessarily harsh on Vancouver. The items he pointed out are legitimate beefs.
Surely the PS3 will eventually do 1, 2 & 3, but you can't taut that as an advantage over the standalones, as they will also have software updates.
With #5, that was a legitimate beef as well. The PS3 does run much hotter and louder than the standalone blu-ray players. I'm not sure what the Xbox 360 has to do with anything.
On #6, you "hating" IR doesn't change the fact that most universal remotes out there are IR.
#7, wifi defnitely is a plus for the PS3, but saying that someone using a standalone blu-ray player (whether it has wifi or not) is in the dark ages is just ludicrous. and I think you underestimate the CE market if you don't think wifi will be included on standalones.
#8, obviously being black isn't exclusive to the PS3. and I think most HT people would much rather have a standard dvd player appearance over the game system look of the PS3.
#9, in comparison to the DVD players we're used to, all of these players are pathetically slow to start up. saying the PS3 is the fastest "by a mile" (I doubt that's even true) is like saying you're the fastest turtle. I also don't see how you're claiming the PS3's support of DVD is "significantly better". In what way is this the case? And also, like #6, just because you don't like something doesn't make it a moot issue. DVD upconversion is important in all of these players, considering the still tiny library of blu-ray movies available."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by Dougie085I didn't say its sad that the PS3 supports blu-ray I said its sad that its the best Blu-Ray player."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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