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  • Ovation
    Super Senior Member
    • Sep 2004
    • 2204

    #1

    A2 initial impressions

    Got to play around with my new A2 for a little while last night. My wife wants me to unwrap it as a Xmas present so it goes back in the box today (I only took it out to make sure it was working properly).

    It is a March 2007 build, and it comes with firmware 1.3 (latest is 2.7). I did not update the firmware so I don't know if that will have an impact on PQ.

    The included HDMI cable is not long enough for me to use it as my projector is well beyond its 6' length away from where I could set up the player, so I used component cables. I used the optical audio connection with my receiver and it did not have trouble with the 1.5mbps audio bitstream in DTS--at least with the disc I rented to test the player.

    I did not calibrate the player in any way. The only adjustments I made were to set the optical output to bitstream, the video output to 1080i (I also tried 720--more on that later) and, to see if it made a difference, the "picture mode" (I believe that's what it is called) to "auto" and then later to "film". I did not run my copy of DVE (I think I will wait until I get the HD copy and calibrate the HDMI input--each input keeps its own settings if I read my pj manual correctly).

    I rented Serenity as I already have the SD DVD and I wanted to compare the two. I sync'd their playback (SD DVD on my Cambridge 540D set to 480i via component and HD DVD at 1080i via component to my receiver--the receiver acted as the switchbox) and switched several times back and forth. This allowed me to compare the PQ and the SQ, not blindly, of course, but with less than a second delay.

    PQ--SD vs HD

    Now Serenity may not be the best example of either SD or HD DVD, but from the many reviews I consulted, the general consensus seems to be that each transfer is of high quality in each format. Moreover, it is a film I've watched many times, so I am familiar with it.

    The difference was not "night and day" (despite some reviews that suggest otherwise). It was noticeable and the HD picture is better. However, it was not as drastic an improvement as HD cable is over SD cable in my set up. I understand there are numerous factors at play (not the least of which is that I did not calibrate for the HD DVD player) but I do not want my statement to be taken as disappointment. In the first place, I have a 720p projector, and while I'm very happy with it, I'm also aware that a 1080p projector (with all the other capabilities of mine intact) would make the difference greater. Also, it is a 64 inch diagonal 16:9 screen, not the more typical 80-100 inch screens that front projector owners appear to have, so the differences may be subdued by that factor.

    Overall, I found the HD presentation cleaner, with better skin tones, better colour and contrast, deeper blacks and sharper (but not artificially so). But the difference in quality was more subtle than I expected. I chalk that up to a few factors (some noted above), including the quality of my pj processing of the SD signal.

    As for sound, this is a subjective impression as I was concentrating more on the PQ, but the DD+ converted to DTS 1.5mbps seemed to offer more articulation of individual sounds but it did not provide as immersive a feeling that the DD track of the SD audio. The DD+ did have more dynamic range. An improvement, but a tiny one overall. If the only difference in presentation was the sonic one, I would not consider the upgrade worth making based on this sample. I would need more examples.

    I also tried the output at 720p (so the pj did none of the work except display the signal "as is"). In theory, this should have made it better (matched the resolution of my display) than 1080i, but it did not. The 720p output was indistinguishable from the SD DVD presentation. In fact, as I switched back and forth, I got confused and when I wanted to stop the HD disc (to try a different setting in the player) I pressed "stop" and the movie kept playing. That's when I realized the SD image was on display. I would not have made that error with the 1080i output as the PQ, though not drastically better, was improved enough to not be confused with SD. I concluded that my pj's video processing is better than the player's processing and so I will let it do all the work from now on.

    I did not test SD DVD via the A2 via component (I'm very happy with the 540D for that at the moment). I will try it with HDMI--both at 480i (it is able to do that--not many players can, I gather) and at the other resolutions to see if the "upconversion" of the player is better than the pj--though I doubt it, if the 720p/1080i comparison from the player is a sign of the player's overall processing quality.

    Summary: Without calibrating the pj with the HD DVD player's signal, via component out to a 720p 3LCD projector, using one disc as a sample, my initial impression is that it is an improvement, but not a dramatic one. However, I acknowledge that with other discs, some tweaking and a firmware upgrade, there is potential for a more dramatic improvement. For the price, the improvement, modest though it appears initially, is worth it. But if I'd paid the original price for this machine (700$CDN) I would not be prepared to make that same statement at the moment.

    When I "unwrap" it and get it fully set up (in a month-- :E ), I will run it through its paces again and that will be a fairer judgement.
  • John Holmes
    Super Senior Member
    • Aug 2000
    • 2707

    #2
    Welcome to the club!

    While I know you will be more satisfied once you've calibrated, I would say your initial feel is pretty accurate. In some cases it is "WOW". But not in most. In most it is just better. King Kong, The Matrix set, Aeon Flux are a few films that "WOW" me. Lots of depth of picture, fantastic colors, etc.

    Though I am more than impressed with my XA1's upscailing SD-DVD. Very nice via HDMI.

    Once you get your HDMI ran (and are allowed to open it for real : ) I'm sure you'll be a happy camper.

    Congrats on the new toy!
    "I have come here, to chew bubblegum and kickass. And I'm all out of bubblegum!!!"

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    • Ovation
      Super Senior Member
      • Sep 2004
      • 2204

      #3
      Well, to be fair to my wife, it was supposed to be a surprise but she got lost in the model numbers and prices and such (I did not want to spend big for the first time out and I didn't want her to do so either), so she let me in on "the deal". However, she wants the kids to see me open a "big box" at Christmas, so I don't mind. Besides--our local video store only has about 20 titles in HD DVD (about the same in Blu-Ray, but even if I had both formats, about a third of the titles overlap--I plan to pressure them to get more once I become a "real" renter of HD DVD) and the five free ones won't arrive until after the holidays anyway (unless I'm really lucky). Aeon Flux is among the ones I selected for a freebie. (Selected Pitch Black, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, The Frighteners and Black Rain--I already have the others that I want from the coupon in SD DVD, and I prefer to wait to double dip.) King Kong is on my Christmas list. And Shrek III is already a stocking stuffer for my daughter (though I will have to go exchange it for the HD DVD version). I am looking forward to playing with my new toy.

      Should I be concerned about firmware updates? I didn't have any issues with Serenity and I have encountered some horror stories about people messing up their players with firmware updates. I burned a copy of 2.7 onto a CD but I did not update it yet. Any thoughts?

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      • John Holmes
        Super Senior Member
        • Aug 2000
        • 2707

        #4
        I was just razzin ya about being allowed to open it. I more than understand ( I have kids too).

        As for the updates, I too have heard the stories. But I've heard many more that have had no issues. I have done three updates via internet. I have not had any problems related to them. The one time my unit did freeze, it was a badly scratched HD disc from Netflix. I had to unplug it, after repluging and start up it was fine. No problems since. But nothing related to firmware updates.
        "I have come here, to chew bubblegum and kickass. And I'm all out of bubblegum!!!"

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        • George Bellefontaine
          Moderator Emeritus
          • Jan 2001
          • 7636

          #5
          Thanks for the comments on HD DVD fellas. I have seen demos of both HD DVD and Bluray and feel that the source can be either stunning or just a bit better than standard dvd, but I am looking forward to getting involved soon.
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          • John Holmes
            Super Senior Member
            • Aug 2000
            • 2707

            #6
            George,

            Glad to help! I just want people to be realistic about the purchase and expectations.

            With film content, HD/BR DVD is as stated above, very good to spectacular. However, I must admit, with video based content, I am always floored with how good it looks. I have yet to see anything video base that hasn't been, 'WOW"!

            I have "Digital Video Essentials". It has a montage for 1080 and 720 signals. It is reference material. I also have "HD Scape: Hawaii" , which is nothing short of breathtaking. With a very, very nice 5.1 smooth jazz audio track.

            IMO for the dollar, if you are going to purchase a new player, the HD/BR players are a logical choice. They all appear to do a great job of upscailing SD-DVD. Heck, HD would just be icing on the cake.
            "I have come here, to chew bubblegum and kickass. And I'm all out of bubblegum!!!"

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            • Ovation
              Super Senior Member
              • Sep 2004
              • 2204

              #7
              I think it is important for you to note the different expectations of film vs video. Film is often such a stylized medium that employs effects that diminish the ultimate resolution of the image whereas video rarely does so (which would explain why news broadcasts and sports look the best, at least on my HD cable service). Something I probably should have kept in mind when I tested my player--but...everyone wants their new toy to be spectacular.

              I've held off getting the Planet Earth series (shot in hi-def video, IIRC) but I think I'll get it as the kids love the nature channel stuff. DVE HD seems a must buy as well.

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              • John Holmes
                Super Senior Member
                • Aug 2000
                • 2707

                #8
                I was going to buy the PE set too. Then I notice that Discovery HD seems to show it more than I probably would use the DVD set! :lol:
                "I have come here, to chew bubblegum and kickass. And I'm all out of bubblegum!!!"

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