A complete HT Guide 7.1 Speaker system

[kgveteran]

Who has one of these.I'm on the fringe of completing my 7.1 HT Guide HT system.(3)RS WTMW center channel mains,(4) RS TM 28a/225 surrounds (slightly modified).(4)Adire Tumult sealed subs.

This is a bench mark in my twenty years of HT. Back in the day I'd build some car audio stuff, but never anything like this.

With all the great advice,assistance and technical advice I'm almost there !

Thanx guys ! :T ;x(

[clearwaterms]

now you need some DIY amp's, a DIY pre-amp, and a DIY LCD projector...

[Lex]

sounds impressive. Crank it up so we can hear detail! 4 Tumults?

:bluezoned:

[aud19]

:lol: congrats :T

[kgveteran]

now you need some DIY amp's, a DIY pre-amp, and a DIY LCD projector...

I was going to do some chip amps , but the forum over at DIY wouldn't let me join.I ended up with three Outlaw M-200's for the mains and two Behringer A500's (cute little amps)for the four surround channels.I'll let you know how the A500's work out.I took one apart amd the build quality was fine for the money.

[Chris D]

Cool, dude. I use a 7.1 system. Perhaps actually a 7.8 system, as I use two subwoofers and six tactile transducers.

4 subs? are you sure you're not creating more problems than you're solving?

[kgveteran]

Cool, dude. I use a 7.1 system. Perhaps actually a 7.8 system, as I use two subwoofers and six tactile transducers.

4 subs? are you sure you're not creating more problems than you're solving?

There are two in each cabinet.Each cabinet has two sub-enclosures that separates them.Since they sit just under the mains, they blend perfect.Driving each Tumult with a bridged QSC 1450 really eliminates any distortion and creates the cleanest bass.Usual listening is at about 85db and I get it flat down to 8hz.It's pretty kickin'. This was all done before i learned about IB.Oh, how things would have changed....like lotz-O-holes in the floor :B

KG

[clearwaterms]

I was going to do some chip amps , but the forum over at DIY wouldn't let me join.I ended up with three Outlaw M-200's for the mains and two Behringer A500's (cute little amps)for the four surround channels.I'll let you know how the A500's work out.I took one apart amd the build quality was fine for the money.

yeah, I was actually looking at the A500's to drive my mains. I just purchased a Rythmatic 380w plate amp to drive my SVS subwoofer.

[Lex]

an old saying in the racing biz comes to mind. There's no replacement for displacement. You got the horses, it doesn't matter where you stable this many ponies, it's gonna put out some horsepower! and CLEAN because they are sealed.

[kgveteran]

an old saying in the racing biz comes to mind. There's no replacement for displacement. You got the horses, it doesn't matter where you stable this many ponies, it's gonna put out some horsepower! and CLEAN because they are sealed.

It's a fun place to watch movies.

[aud19]

Have you experimented with placement of those subs at all? seperating them on either side of the room or front to back might yield more even bass response throughout the room...?

[crackyflipside]

Soon I will have an all 7.1 DIY speaker system !

3 x WWMT Dayton RS towers w/ seas tweeters

To go behind the SmX DIY AT screen!

4 x MT w/ seas tweeters

4 x MJ18 IB

[kgveteran]

Have you experimented with placement of those subs at all? seperating them on either side of the room or front to back might yield more even bass response throughout the room...?

That location was the best in the room.I tryed them all.I used truRta.Separating them created a large hole between 44hz and 75hz.I think they're there to stay!

Now if you look at my avatar, that picture was taken by me all hopped up on vicodin after my double hernia operation.The cabinets with drivers are just under 350lbs each.I'm sure I injured my self during the three week ordeal of shlepping them all over the room trying to get a flat response at the listening position.

[kgveteran]

Soon I will have an all 7.1 DIY speaker system !

3 x WWMT Dayton RS towers w/ seas tweeters

To go behind the SmX DIY AT screen!

4 x MT w/ seas tweeters

4 x MJ18 IB

Any thought to a logo for HT Guide designs ? I should have one set of surrounds done this weekend and the last of the four will be done in a couple weeks.

[aud19]

Well if they sound good where they are and you want to avoid further hernia's.... :T :lol:

[crackyflipside]

Any thought to a logo for HT Guide designs ? I should have one set of surrounds done this weekend and the last of the four will be done in a couple weeks.

I dunno, I kind of like the HTGuide logo at the top left of the page. Probably with one of those wood CNC machines you could carve out a bitchin logo.

[kgveteran]

The side surrounds are done (28a/225 TM).Now one more set for the back two and the 7.1 will be complete.

Then what.................................

[Chris D]

Same thing we do every day, Pinky! Try to take over the world...

Good to hear about the progress. Next, I would focus on room acoustics.

[kgveteran]

Same thing we do every day, Pinky! Try to take over the world...

Good to hear about the progress. Next, I would focus on room acoustics.

I could use two more traps in the back of the room.The panels work great and the diffusers do a good job.....so maybe those traps will keep me busy in the next could of months.

Some time based real time measuring devices would be nice so i'm not walking in the dark with room treaments.Simple decay plots would work.Any suggestions on software for this.TrueRta is frequency based, thats what I use now.

[chasw98]

The side surrounds are done (28a/225 TM).Now one more set for the back two and the 7.1 will be complete.

Then what.................................

Damn, it is tough keeping up with Mr. & Mrs. kg! I got a pair of the WWMT's and the WMTW center and 4 of the Modula MT's for surround with 4 RLp-15's in an IB.

Then what....... I just bought a new pre/pro and need to get a universal translator so that I can make the pre/pro talk to the video processor and do automatic input switching! Thats what!

I am sure you will find some way to spend some money on something.

Chuck

[kgveteran]

Damn, it is tough keeping up with Mr. & Mrs. kg! I got a pair of the WWMT's and the WMTW center and 4 of the Modula MT's for surround with 4 RLp-15's in an IB.

Then what....... I just bought a new pre/pro and need to get a universal translator so that I can make the pre/pro talk to the video processor and do automatic input switching! Thats what!

I am sure you will find some way to spend some money on something.

Chuck

How is it to have a complete system DIY ? Cooler than toast man !

After doing some side work on sunday I took a friend that was helping me with an install over to Aarons to listen to his (4) RLp15 IB. That install makes me grin every time I hear it. We did a little WOTW....enough said. My friend Marc is now positive we must do an IB at his house.I'll cross my fingers.

[plincoln]

I could use two more traps in the back of the room.The panels work great and the diffusers do a good job.....so maybe those traps will keep me busy in the next could of months.

Some time based real time measuring devices would be nice so i'm not walking in the dark with room treaments.Simple decay plots would work.Any suggestions on software for this.TrueRta is frequency based, thats what I use now.

REQ Wizard can do Spectral Decay, etc...

[kgveteran]

REQ Wizard can do Spectral Decay, etc...

Plincoln,
You know well and true that my learning curve is very huge.When I get my rear surrounds done and i'm ready for you and Mullen to come over...you two can learn me that REQ wizard.

......and don't give me that,"It's easy crap"...hehehe

[Chris D]

That REQ goes WAY, WAY beyond my comprehension or abilities. There's all sorts of features and capabilities with it that I don't even know how to use. Spectral decay one of them.

[kgveteran]

Spectral decay is the time based measurement that would help me to see if my room "holds" sound at any large bands of sound........i think.

[kgveteran]

Sacd/dvd-a

Popped it some PinkFloyd Dark side of the moon on SACD.Wow, the sides are a perfect match.It only gets better.

[kgveteran]

Done.It's complete. 7.1 . I'll watch "Cars" for the hundreth time tomorrow and give my impression.

[chasw98]

Done.It's complete. 7.1 . I'll watch "Cars" for the hundreth time tomorrow and give my impression.

No, it is not done. No pictures, No proof. Lets see what it looks like! C'mon KG!
:T :B

Chuck

[kgveteran]

7.1 Done !

Here are two shots.One is the back and side left, and back and side right.

These speakers have a rather wide pattern and really fill in a back mono fill to the rear center well.

I'll probably wait for a rainy day or snowy day to bury the wires.

[chasw98]

Very nice. I assume that is 'your' room. Mrs. KG lets you get away with putting up the absorbtion/diffraction panels?

[kgveteran]

Very nice. I assume that is 'your' room. Mrs. KG lets you get away with putting up the absorbtion/diffraction panels?

It all started fourteen years ago when I was selling my little 17' Bayliner.I wanted a big TV.I looked all over.I then got in touch with Alan Gouger at AVscience. He setup a Runco Cinema Pro 750.The price matched the sale of the boat........installed.Mrs.KG (not at the time) said,"You gotta get this thing".The rest is history.

Yes, that is my room.All dogs need a home.I have always backed up my designs and ideas with the sound quality to match.She helped me make the 16 absorber panels.It's been a fun road.

BTW, I just got done watching the James Taylor tribute DVD "A music cares person of the year".The system disapeared.I was tempted to readjust the levels, as I always do.Not anymore.Just sit back and watch and listen.

This forum rocks!!!

[Chris D]

KG, that is looking VERY, VERY nice. I would say that you definitely have a great "sound studio" going there. You could probably record an album there!

[mikegunnz]

Since we're on the topic of 7.1, how much use do you really get out of it vs 5.1. Maybe I'm wrong but isn't most hd broadcasts/dvd in 5.1? I've got a 5.1 system(reciever is 7.1), and have been thinking of getting 2 additional speakers, but I'm hesitant based off how mush of a difference it'll make. Any thoughts/personal experience?

[Chris D]

mike, what I tell people is that I use Dolby Pro Logic IIx processing extensively on ALL material that I watch and listen to in my theater. In gerenal I'm a "purist", not liking processing that changes the original sound, but DPLIIx does it very, very well in my opinion.

DPLIIx takes ANY source material, whether it be mono, stereo, DPL, DD, DTS, or whatever, and then extracts it to a full 7.1 audio output. It creates a wonderful soundfield that wraps all the way around you 360 degrees, much more than standard sound formats.

So yes, I get a LOT of use out of my 7.1 setup.

[kgveteran]

mike, what I tell people is that I use Dolby Pro Logic IIx processing extensively on ALL material that I watch and listen to in my theater. In gerenal I'm a "purist", not liking processing that changes the original sound, but DPLIIx does it very, very well in my opinion.

DPLIIx takes ANY source material, whether it be mono, stereo, DPL, DD, DTS, or whatever, and then extracts it to a full 7.1 audio output. It creates a wonderful soundfield that wraps all the way around you 360 degrees, much more than standard sound formats.

So yes, I get a LOT of use out of my 7.1 setup.

Ditto! I'd vote for a back center off the two back surrounds if they had it :B .

It's one of the times that more is better.There is an "Immersion" factor that I like about it.

On top of that, having seven speakers with the same tweeter is icing on the cake.

[mikegunnz]

Thanks, I might have to invest in another pair of speakers sooner rather than later, lol. I never had been much of an audiophile(still am not a REAL audiophile in a sense of having a great ear for sound...but I like good sound), but over the last 6months I caught the bug, and have been spending more $$$ on my ht system than I ever thought I would. (previous system was an old jvc 32" tube with panasonic htib)

[chasw98]

Ditto! I'd vote for a back center off the two back surrounds if they had it :B .

It's one of the times that more is better.There is an "Immersion" factor that I like about it.

On top of that, having seven speakers with the same tweeter is icing on the cake.

KG, I agree totally. I have both a 6.1 in the bedroom and 7.1 in the main room. 7.1 is the way to go if you are going to put the effort into it.

I have a question for you. I know about your speakers and your amps, but what do you use for a pre/pro? Just curious. Thanks.

Chuck

[kgveteran]

KG, I agree totally. I have both a 6.1 in the bedroom and 7.1 in the main room. 7.1 is the way to go if you are going to put the effort into it.

I have a question for you. I know about your speakers and your amps, but what do you use for a pre/pro? Just curious. Thanks.

Chuck

Outlaw 990.Bang for the buck is huge.I may just get the chance to use the DVI swithing in the next year or so.

[chasw98]

Outlaw 990.Bang for the buck is huge.I may just get the chance to use the DVI swithing in the next year or so.

I just sold my 950. It was a great unit. I can't believe that you are not using DVI switching yet! Get Mrs. KG out there working for that new 1080p projector! :rofl:

Chuck

[kgveteran]

I just sold my 950. It was a great unit. I can't believe that you are not using DVI switching yet! Get Mrs. KG out there working for that new 1080p projector! :rofl:

Chuck

Everything in time :B After the RS project I need to start to feed my family.

[kgveteran]

Just thought I'd bump this up again.See if any one wants to show off work well done.

KG

[Lex]

Maybe I can come up with an HTG logo for you sometime KG, I'll see when I have time to devote to it... I just saw your request on the last page, or comment as it was...

Doug

[kgveteran]

Maybe I can come up with an HTG logo for you sometime KG, I'll see when I have time to devote to it... I just saw your request on the last page, or comment as it was...

Doug

I just posted that exact thought in the Mission Section before I read your post. Great minds........

[kgveteran]

Any other takers to the complete HT Guide systems ???

Kg

[impala454]

I'm workin on a full 7.1 "Statements" setup :T

I've built the center and will complete the monitors by the end of the week. If I get bored enough over the weekend I might go ahead and build a second pair of the cabinets while I have use of the saw. I'm currently crammed into a small room until I buy a house (hopefully by the end of the year), so the monitors will do LR duty until I move.

The plan once it's all said and done is to have the full sized statements on LR duty, center obviously at center, then four monitors for surround duty. Once the 7 Statements are done the plan is to build a 2-driver version of this guy's project to round out the bass.

As far as the electronics I doubt I'll work up the snuff to build an amp or anything, I currently have a Denon receiver, will probably try to end up with Emotiva separates powering everything, and already have an EP2500 for my current sub, should be plenty to power the new one as well.