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  • wkhanna
    Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
    • Jan 2006
    • 5673

    Odyssey Amps

    I first became aware of the Odyssey brand over four years ago.

    About the time I got my Rotel RB-1090 was when I was seriously looking at their power amp product line, however I never got past the point of browsing their web site before getting the Rotel (in fact, a dear friend and former member here had recently passed when his brother asked if I would be interested in purchasing the unit from the estate. It may seem quite morbid to some, but I think fondly of my missing buddy, Bob, every time I touch the power switch on the 1090.)

    Then a few months ago at Capital Audiofest, I heard a complete Odyssey system which incorporated the Khartago mono amps. I, along with everyone in the room, was quite impressed with what we were hearing. But, when considering the entire system cost (<$6k), it was downright sobering & probably quite upsetting to a lot of audio enthusiasts who had already spent far more to produce far less.

    Last night I was able to audition another offering from Odyssey, a factory upgraded version of the Khartago Stereo amp with the base model 60,000µF caps boosted up to 120,000µF.
    Base model specs are as follows:

     $ 895 USD
     2 x 110 Watts RMS @ 8 Ohms
     2 Ohm load stable
     Class A/AB
     2 - 400,000 Hz frequency range
     40 amps current delivery
     <0.04% THD (not audible)
     >500 continuous damping factor
     Input impedance 22K ohms
     DC offset <1 mV
     RCA inputs
     400 VA Plitron transformer
     Sanken Epitaxial Planar Transistors 2SA1216 & 2SC2922
     Anti vibration dual thickness PCB
     Power consumption when idle ±30Watts
     4 internal fuses 250V/6.3A, 5x20mm, fast blow

    It was most fortunate that the amp was installed in a system I am V familiar with. Dan’s (PewterTA) system consists of a Rotel RSP-1098 pre, modified Rotel RB-1090 amp, & B&W 802 Diamond’s. As reference point, the modifications Dan performed on both his & my RB-1090 amp produce improved musicality & tightening of the bass; more air, focus & depth in the mid, & reduction of what little harshness exists in the HF while improving its texture & timbre. There is an overall increase in the speed & sense of ‘life’ across the board. Also, the 1090 is basically a duel-mono design rated at nearly 400 watts per channel.

     Continuous Power Output (20-20 kHz, < 0.03%): 380 watts/ch into 8 ohms; 700 watts/ch into 4 ohms
     Total Harmonic Distortion (20Hz-20kHz, 8 ohms): < 0.03%
     Intermodulation Distortion (60 Hz : 7 kHz, 4:1): < 0.03%
     Frequency Response (±1 dB): 10Hz-100kHz
     Damping Factor (20-20,000 Hz, 8 ohms): 1000
     Speaker Impedance (combined load): 4 ohms minimum
     Signal to Noise Ratio (IHF A network): 125 dB
     Input Impedance/Sensitivity: 33 k Ohms/1.8volt
     Power Requirements: 115 Volts, 60 Hz (USA); 230 Volts, 50 Hz (EC)
     Power Consumption: 800 Watts
     Dimensions (W x H x D): 440 x 240 x 398 mm; 173/8 x 91/2 x 153/4 in
     Weight (net): 38 kg, 83.6 lb.

    Simply going by the numbers, this does not seem to be a V even matchup, though a competition was never the intent. What is important is that we have an amp (the RB-1090) that we are V familiar with, in a room we are V familiar with, paired with equipment we are V familiar with.

    There is a saying in the audio world that there is no more important watt than the V first watt. In fact, many are surprised to learn that the majority of time spent listening to music (nearly any music) at reasonable listening levels, the amp is under quite little load & outputting fairly little power. This goes far to explain the ability of some flea-watt systems whose amps are rated to as little as 3 watts max, albeit in Class A, to sound absolutely fabulous given the room & distance from the drivers is reasonable. So the ‘going’ notion is that if an amplifier can get the ‘first watt’ right, then when asked to delver higher levels of power, it will be up to the task. And, conversely, an amplifier that does not sound so good under little load would not be expected to get better sounding simply because it was capable of producing 300 watts MAX RMS @ 8 ohms. This seems a rational expectation the more one thinks about it. And in fact, over time I have found it to be quite true in the real world.

    Ok, so now all the lead-up is behind, & the question of how this amp sounded seems to have already been hinted at.

    Well, on the race track they also have a saying. And it goes, “There is no substitute for horsepower”. In the case of the Khartago, this is still a truism. On the most demanding transients, compared to the modified RB-1090, there is some missing dynamics. A tad bit of shyness, some coy response when in-your-face is what is on order. During ‘normal’ passages, with more even but still varying dynamics, it is still noticeable. How noticeable? Well, in terms of speed or quickness, a quality that often is reflected by an amp’s overall power & headroom, not very. The Khartago can out-draw the Lone Ranger. In fact, one of the first things you appreciate in this amp is its speed, and its detail. And its neutrality. Clean, quick, fun, detailed, but not clinical. Tonality & timber are spot on.

    This is no brute, but it was never meant to be. With an advertised rating of 110 watts RMS @ 8 ohm, after hearing it, if the advertising literature said 200 watt, I would still say it performs above its rating.

    So there you have it. Once again it seems urban legend, old wife’s tails & audio truisms along with old fashioned long division & algebra are not always to be relied upon when doing what you should always do……..Trust Your Own Ears!
    Last edited by wkhanna; 25 October 2013, 07:18 Friday.
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    Bill

    Practicing Curmudgeon & Audio Snob
    ....just an "ON" switch, Please!

    FinleyAudio
  • PewterTA
    Moderator
    • Nov 2004
    • 2901

    #2
    I have to say that at it's price range (even with the updated caps in it -- which would make this the "plus" amp) there's really not an amp out there I've heard that really comes close to it.

    When we had it hooked up on my 802 Diamonds... I have to say the amp performed extremely well. As Bill said, on the transients is where there was a little lack and in the lowest of lowest the amp could not provide. The one thing we have to keep in mind is the 802 Diamonds are well known that they LOVE power... so I can't really hold the amp at fault... I would think I'd be wanting more of a Mono Kismet extreme on the 802 Diamonds and I think we'd have something special.

    The good part of this is that I have a Rotel RB-1080 which is very similar, though coming in at 200w....

    Power Configurations: 2 x 200 watts
    Watts/Channel:
    all channels driven, unbridged,
    8 ohm load, 20 to 20k Hz,
    0.06% THD
    200 watts
    THD (20-20,000Hz):
    cont. rated power
    one-half rated power
    one watt per channel
    0.03%, maximum
    0.01%, maximum
    0.02%, maximum
    IM Distortion (at rated ower, 60Hz:7kHz = 4:1): 0.03%, maximum
    Damping Factor (8 ohms): 1000
    Input Sens. / Impedance: 1.5V / 32 kohms
    Frequency Response: 15-100 kHz (±1dB)
    S/N Ratio (IHF A): 116dB
    Power Consumption: 550 watts
    Dimensions (W x H x D): 433 x 140 x 380mm
    17 1/8 x 5 1/2 x 15”
    Front Panel Height: 127 mm, 5.0”
    Weight (net): 16.7 kg / 36.8 lbs

    is very similar to the Khartago. For the last couple months I've been using the 1080 on Michael's (Finleyville) Finalists that he's built. So we ended bringing the Finalists down and hooking them up to the Khartago and I have to say, I was completely impressed. I really do feel that the Khartago was almost a perfect fit for the Finalist speakers. The amp had no problem controlling these speakers at all and I really enjoyed the amp on the Finalists over the RB-1080.

    Any of the DIYers that have built the Finalist... I would highly recommend getting your hands on an Odyssey.

    Another fun thing will be when we get a Khartago Extreme in to see how that amp does....and if there's much difference or not!

    Last note, I have to say after driving the amp for probably about 5 or 6 hours it was actually still cold in the corners of the amp... so there's VERY little heat wasted in this design.

    Klaus and Odyssey Audio have created a very amazing product here and I highly recommend anyone to look a them when considering an amp.

    I'm even tempted to talk with Klaus about getting a pair of monoblocks if his top end will provide enough power... I might not go looking towards Classe if he's not a set of amps that will provide me with enough power.

    Overall Impression: HIGHLY impressed.
    Digital Audio makes me Happy.
    -Dan

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    • Johnloudb
      Super Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 1877

      #3
      Hey! Great reviews you guys!!! Sounds like a winner of an amp. So, I take it Micheal has decided on the Oddyssey Khartago to drive his Finalist speakers?
      John unk:

      "Why can't we all just, get along?" ~ Jack Nicholson (Mars Attacks)

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      • wkhanna
        Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
        • Jan 2006
        • 5673

        #4
        Originally posted by Johnloudb
        So, I take it Micheal has decided on the Oddyssey Khartago to drive his Finalist speakers?
        Well.......not exactly.

        I will not steal Michael's thunder........

        let us just say he has a surprise for us.....:W
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        Practicing Curmudgeon & Audio Snob
        ....just an "ON" switch, Please!

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        • Johnloudb
          Super Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 1877

          #5
          Originally posted by wkhanna
          Well.......not exactly.

          I will not steal Michael's thunder........

          let us just say he has a surprise for us.....:W
          Oh, that's cool, I love surprises! :T
          John unk:

          "Why can't we all just, get along?" ~ Jack Nicholson (Mars Attacks)

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          • Finleyville
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2006
            • 350

            #6
            Originally posted by wkhanna
            Well.......not exactly.

            I will not steal Michael's thunder........

            let us just say he has a surprise for us.....:W

            Steal my thunder? You stole my thunder, lightning, drenching rain, and gale force winds!
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            • PewterTA
              Moderator
              • Nov 2004
              • 2901

              #7
              Well you can still tell us what you think of the amp..... :P
              Digital Audio makes me Happy.
              -Dan

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              • Finleyville
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2006
                • 350

                #8
                I think I will withhold my impressions until I can A/B my Plus model against my Extreme.
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                • PewterTA
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 2901

                  #9
                  It's been two weeks... the suspense is killing me!!!!! Well so is the wait on my cups to put the 802s up on their pedestals....but that's another thing entirely. lol
                  Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                  -Dan

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                  • Finleyville
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 350

                    #10
                    Originally posted by PewterTA
                    It's been two weeks... the suspense is killing me!!!!!
                    Heh, me too. The extreme is still in my TV rig breaking in.
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                    • PewterTA
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 2901

                      #11
                      Now I'm super excited for the Odyssey vs Odyssey challenge that will be coming Dec. 14th! hee hee.
                      Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                      -Dan

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                      • Finleyville
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 350

                        #12
                        Well, I finally got a chance to open up my other Odyssey Khartoga Plus amp to take some pics. Below are some comparisons between the Khartoga Plus vs. the Extreme version.

                        The Khartoga Plus first.

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                        Next up is the Extreme version

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                        To be honest I do not see too much difference between the two. The Extreme has a different power supply (larger in power), the internal output wires are shielded with a metal conduit, and there is more dampening material on the metal enclosure. While I did not have them open side by side, they appeared to have the same Dale/Vishay resistors and Wima caps in the same locations. I could be missing something with that one. Plus it seems they both use the same internal hook up wire.

                        I have not directly A/B them with the same speakers/media. That will happen in December with some other friends here. I hope I hear an audible difference between the two. They both sound fantastic though.
                        Last edited by theSven; 28 May 2023, 11:57 Sunday. Reason: Update image location
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                        • Hdale85
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                          • Jan 2006
                          • 16075

                          #13
                          Oh? A little get together in December?

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                          • PewterTA
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 2901

                            #14
                            I thought when you talked with Klaus that the difference was the upgraded power supply and wiring, I thought the plus had the upgraded capacitors and something else?!!?

                            Definitely will be interesting to see if we can hear any difference, I'm sure the little bit of extra power won't hurt!
                            Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                            -Dan

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                            • Finleyville
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 350

                              #15
                              Originally posted by PewterTA
                              I thought when you talked with Klaus that the difference was the upgraded power supply and wiring, I thought the plus had the upgraded capacitors and something else?!!?

                              Definitely will be interesting to see if we can hear any difference, I'm sure the little bit of extra power won't hurt!
                              The difference from stock to plus is just the added capacitance. The difference between the Plus and Extreme is better components, wiring, power supply, and rear connectors. Or so I understood.
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                              • PewterTA
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 2901

                                #16
                                Rear Connectors look the same....

                                Component upgrades, not exactly sure what that is... they all look very similar... wiring is changed on some of it... PS looks different though.

                                I agree, it's a little more similar than I would've thought.
                                Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                                -Dan

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                                • PewterTA
                                  Moderator
                                  • Nov 2004
                                  • 2901

                                  #17
                                  Almost shoot out time!!! Door prize of a free Khartoga to the winner! lol
                                  Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                                  -Dan

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                                  • wkhanna
                                    Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
                                    • Jan 2006
                                    • 5673

                                    #18
                                    I must assume, then, that the move of the Finalists up to Michael's went as planned & we shall all be in attendance tomorrow for the celbaration.
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                                    Practicing Curmudgeon & Audio Snob
                                    ....just an "ON" switch, Please!

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                                    • Finleyville
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Sep 2006
                                      • 350

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by wkhanna
                                      I must assume, then, that the move of the Finalists up to Michael's went as planned & we shall all be in attendance tomorrow for the celbaration.
                                      Is that celebration or calibration? Maybe both words combined? I'll never get tired of poking fun of your autocorrect or lack thereof....heehee....
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                                      • PewterTA
                                        Moderator
                                        • Nov 2004
                                        • 2901

                                        #20
                                        I believe we both calibrated and celebrated! Win Win!
                                        Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                                        -Dan

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                                        • PewterTA
                                          Moderator
                                          • Nov 2004
                                          • 2901

                                          #21
                                          Hey Michael, If you're up for it, If you find out what types of fuses are in both the Odyssey and the Adcom, let me know and I can give you a hand full of better glass fuses (maybe, I can't tell what's in there), but I can give you ceramic fuses as well as long as I have them... you might really like the results of mixing and matching, that's what's helped my system as well to either smooth or enhance the clarity.
                                          Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                                          -Dan

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                                          • Finleyville
                                            Senior Member
                                            • Sep 2006
                                            • 350

                                            #22
                                            Well, we had the Odyssey amp showdown. We compared two Khartago amps. One was a Plus and the other was an Extreme. I wanted to do this to see if the increased price of the Extreme was actually noticeable "in my system with my speakers." I was willing to keep whichever amp sounded better or keep the cheaper Plus model if I couldn't hear an appreciable difference. (That way I could use the money for another audio purchase!) There were 5 of us that participated in a single blind test. We played a single track a couple of times with a 6th person in charge of the switching. We did not know what amp we were listening to at any given time. Sometimes the amp was switched and sometimes not. After a few "switches" with the same song we would pause the music and go around the room comparing our impressions.

                                            I want to start the results by saying that both amps sound great. My Khartagos are some of the fastest amps I have ever heard. The attack and separation of notes played without sounding cold or analytical is fantastic. These amplifiers sound quite more powerful than their 110W/ch rating. If I did not have the luxury of listening to them side-by-side then I would be hard pressed to pick a favorite.

                                            One thing that surprised me the most was the amount of differences that I heard between the two. This was immediately noticeable to me after about 5 seconds of hearing the second amp. Initially I was disappointed. The first amp sounded better to me, and I figured that the first one was the Plus and the second was the Extreme that hadn't fully broken in yet. The second sounded a bit flatter and less lively like perhaps there was a thin veil between me and the speakers. So it was a great surprise to me that the first amp was the Extreme! Almost everyone in the room agreed that the first one sounded better. We then played about 20 seconds of another track multiple times with the tester sometimes switching and sometimes not. This is where I got a little fuzzy of which one was playing every time, but blindly chose the Extreme most times. Neither my wife, brother nor wkhanna was fooled any time. They correctly guessed the difference each time. Wkhanna stated he was shocked that they were made by the same company because of the differences he heard. He has much more experience in listening to many different makers of hardware, so I will have to defer to his opinion. Hopefully PewterTA and Wkhanna will chime in here and offer their valued opinions.

                                            So I have decided to keep the much more expensive but built especially for me Extreme Khartago amp. (Well, it does have my name written on the back...)As far as my Finalists sounded I will post my final impressions of them in my build post in the DIY section listed here.
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                                            • wkhanna
                                              Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
                                              • Jan 2006
                                              • 5673

                                              #23
                                              Some pics from the wonderful get-together hosted by Michael & his lovely wife yesterday.
                                              Thank you, Michael & Susan, it was absolutely Fabulous!


                                              the Finalists find their final resting place.......finally....

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                                              Dan performs admirably during the positioning phase early in the event as we fine-tune the room response.

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                                              The 'Stack' with both Odyssey amps


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                                              Dan's 'Music Server In-a-Box' utilizing Windows Sever & the 'hot-spot' he created giving us immediate & total access to his 4TB music library.


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                                              Last edited by theSven; 28 May 2023, 12:00 Sunday. Reason: Update image location
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                                              • Johnloudb
                                                Super Senior Member
                                                • May 2007
                                                • 1877

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by wkhanna
                                                Dan's 'Music Server In-a-Box' utilizing Windows Sever & the 'hot-spot' he created giving us immediate & total access to his 4TB music library.
                                                Cool! I don't see the 'Box' part though ... looks like circuits and parts on a table. But that is cool Dan can do that!!! :T Can't say I know much about that stuff.

                                                Glad to hear you all had a good time and the amps performed well, and also that the blind test was a success!
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                                                • Chris D
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                                                  • Dec 2000
                                                  • 16877

                                                  #25
                                                  Great pics, there. I always enjoy seeing our members interacting on stuff.
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                                                  • wkhanna
                                                    Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
                                                    • Jan 2006
                                                    • 5673

                                                    #26
                                                    Edit: Sorry guys, I totatlly missed Michael's earlier post describing the SBT! ops:


                                                    BTW, we did perform a 'single blind' listening test on the Khartoga Plus vs. the Extreme.

                                                    Dan was in charge of randomly alternating the output while the rest of the six participants listened to the first few minutes of the demo song. The test was conducted five separate times.

                                                    For each of the five tests I was easily (within 3 to 7 seconds) able to discriminate between the two amplifiers. To my ear, one clearly stood out as being more precise, clear, detailed, with better transient response, deeper, wider sound stage with an extended decay & overall more realistic presentation.
                                                    Last edited by wkhanna; 19 December 2013, 07:48 Thursday.
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                                                    Bill

                                                    Practicing Curmudgeon & Audio Snob
                                                    ....just an "ON" switch, Please!

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                                                    • PewterTA
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                                                      • Nov 2004
                                                      • 2901

                                                      #27
                                                      The server in a box, was in a box when I brought it there... I however hadn't had time to cut out the holes in the box to use it, which now I'm glad I didn't do, as I replaced the 650w power supply with a very small and silent PicoPSU-150-XT, 102W Power Kit which was recommended by a few people for how good it's power is on the audio side of things (very low noise).

                                                      So far I have to say I really think this power supply has changed the sound for the better. The music has more of a "musical" sound, little more towards an analog sound, but with the same precision and clarity the server had. Which I don't know how to describe it really any better then to show people by A/Bing the two.

                                                      I'm definitely now a fan of the lower power supplies performing better for audio...

                                                      The A/B was great. It just goes to show how "good" or "trusting" wkhanna's ears are... Even though he can't hear everything....he's definitely learned how to ear differences as the two amps were not extremely far apart... But I agree completely with his assessments, as it was the same feelings I had.

                                                      Oh yeah, and I almost had a full infrastructure in a box, I brought my own wireless network! lol
                                                      Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                                                      -Dan

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                                                      • Johnloudb
                                                        Super Senior Member
                                                        • May 2007
                                                        • 1877

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by wkhanna
                                                        BTW, we did perform a 'single blind' listening test on the Khartoga Plus vs. the Extreme.
                                                        Yeah, I got that from Michael's post. You've clearly got superior listening skills, not really surprised there!

                                                        Originally posted by PewterTA
                                                        The server in a box, was in a box when I brought it there... I however hadn't had time to cut out the holes in the box to use it, which now I'm glad I didn't do, as I replaced the 650w power supply with a very small and silent PicoPSU-150-XT, 102W Power Kit which was recommended by a few people for how good it's power is on the audio side of things (very low noise).
                                                        Thanks for explaining the box. Yeah, I've found the same ... a lower noise supply can make a real difference in sound quality.
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                                                        "Why can't we all just, get along?" ~ Jack Nicholson (Mars Attacks)

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                                                        • PewterTA
                                                          Moderator
                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                          • 2901

                                                          #29
                                                          Hey Michael, James is re-considering demoing the Plus in his system. He wants the bass and quickness like you have...

                                                          hee hee.
                                                          Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                                                          -Dan

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                                                          • Finleyville
                                                            Senior Member
                                                            • Sep 2006
                                                            • 350

                                                            #30
                                                            My wife just told me that if James doesn't buy the Plus that she wants it downstairs with our Zaph speakers and TV.....


                                                            God I love her....
                                                            BE ALERT! The world needs more lerts.

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                                                            • PewterTA
                                                              Moderator
                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                              • 2901

                                                              #31
                                                              Ha ha ha! That's just purely awesome! You definitely got yourself a great one!
                                                              Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                                                              -Dan

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