Building a set of ZMB4 (Build Log)

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  • StewLG
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2008
    • 10

    #46
    Originally posted by cyberspyder
    Yes, but I'm pissed/sad/angry currently. I was a bit careless on the router today when routing my pieces, and whaddaya know...disaster. I'm pissed at myself because I shoulda routed everything BEFORE I cut them up into little pieces, and now that decision has come to haunt me. Long story short, the piece dove headfirst into the bit TWICE, and I now have some divots that'll give my speakers some character....Bahumba. I don't have anymore wood so that's that.
    Don't beat yourself up. With the possible exception of your instructor, nobody is going to look at your speakers as closely as you have, ever again. And most of the time they'll be a foot or two away, which hides most mistakes on this scale.

    I had errors just like yours on my baffles, and after sanding and finishing, they're getting harder to spot:

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    See, lower left corner? Not too bad. And the flash is making it about 5x worse than it might be in other light.

    Oh, and that's birch veneer after 1 coat of Watco's Danish Oil. We'll compare finishes at the end, eh?
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    • cyberspyder
      Member
      • Apr 2008
      • 60

      #47
      OK, sure...tracking your build on DIY audio as well...here's a tip for both of us: GO SLOWLY. Pace yourself, and crap like this won't happen. THINK about your every move, then do it.

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      • cyberspyder
        Member
        • Apr 2008
        • 60

        #48
        Dampening question

        What about using this foam? I have loads of it, and it's soft :P .

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        Brendan
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        • ThomasW
          Moderator Emeritus
          • Aug 2000
          • 10933

          #49
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          Since the baffle is painted you could have used Bondo to fill the gouged out area.

          What about using this foam? I have loads of it, and it's soft
          Need to see the surface not the side. If the top is open cell then it's fine to use. If the surface is closed (smooth) then it's not what you want.
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          IB subwoofer FAQ page


          "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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          • cyberspyder
            Member
            • Apr 2008
            • 60

            #50
            Actually, that's just the side. The cabinet will be oiled, so bondoing is not a good idea, as I don't feel like painting the speakers black.

            Brendan

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            • Dennis H
              Ultra Senior Member
              • Aug 2002
              • 3798

              #51
              Man, Brendan, borrow a few bucks for a new piece of wood -- you only need a small piece so maybe get some others to share the cost for the rest of the sheet. Your workmanship is so totally excellent up till now that you won't be able to live with yourself if you let that one ugly piece slide.

              Note to self -- always buy enough wood that I can screw up a piece and still finish the project.

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              • cyberspyder
                Member
                • Apr 2008
                • 60

                #52
                Ehhh, it's not that noticeable, besides I'm running low on funds, so functionally, there's nothing wrong, just the aesthetics. Whaadya expect? I'm still relatively new to woodworking, so mistakes are common.

                April 29, 2008
                -Sanded the routed edges today, along with the external surfaces. Rubbed another coat of oil onto my test piece.

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                Brendan
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                • cyberspyder
                  Member
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 60

                  #53
                  Quite a while since I've updated this...I had alot of school summatives to do, so this has been put on the back burner...but FEAR NOT! I will have it done before the end of the school year. Only have to glue these suckers together now:

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                  Brendan
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                  • wackii
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 226

                    #54
                    Wow, they look awesome even without the finish. Excellent job. I can only wish I have tools and space like yours. Keep the pictures coming...

                    Al,
                    Originally posted by cyberspyder
                    Quite a while since I've updated this...I had alot of school summatives to do, so this has been put on the back burner...but FEAR NOT! I will have it done before the end of the school year. Only have to glue these suckers together now:

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                    Brendan
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                    • cyberspyder
                      Member
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 60

                      #55
                      Glued together, and everything sanded smooth, true and square. Ready for tung oil application.

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                      Brendan
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                      • cyberspyder
                        Member
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 60

                        #56
                        June 9
                        -First coat of tung oil put on (seems kinda blotchy, but that disappears when sunlight shines on them), binding posts and port tube secured in enclosure, pics coming in a sec when I complete the front baffle tonight.

                        Brendan

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                        • 69Stingray
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 100

                          #57
                          Keep up the good work, can't wait to see the finished project.

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                          • cyberspyder
                            Member
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 60

                            #58
                            June 11
                            -Drilled my tweeter holes, drum sanded them, did some manual sanding after. It turns out 120 grit sandpaper with a tiny jar of Tamiya model paint fills up the tweeter hole EXACTLY. A bit of sanding, and I was left with some perfect holes. One thing I don't like about the Dayton tweeters is that the body is slightly flared, so it makes it harder to get the actual diameter. Also, tweeter recesses on the back completed an holes for drivers drilled. Second coat of oil put on, but no pics of that.

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                            Brendan
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                            • stangbat
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 171

                              #59
                              Good tip on the tweeter holes. Of course I find this out after I've drilled holes and inset five of them.

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                              • Hdale85
                                Moderator Emeritus
                                • Jan 2006
                                • 16073

                                #60
                                Why didn't you make it so you could round over the edges after they were assembled?

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                                • cyberspyder
                                  Member
                                  • Apr 2008
                                  • 60

                                  #61
                                  Originally posted by Dougie085
                                  Why didn't you make it so you could round over the edges after they were assembled?
                                  What do you mean? Like a waveguide for the tweeter, or are you talking about the roundovers on the cabinet? Cabinet wise, I could've but I think eine's fine. It's easier to sand the roundovers if you did it my way, as there are no other grain directions to worry about.

                                  Brendan

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                                  • cyberspyder
                                    Member
                                    • Apr 2008
                                    • 60

                                    #62
                                    99% Done...

                                    June 13, 2008
                                    -Finally :B Still have to glue the cleats in, you can probably see the baffles are not fixed yet. First impressions: Alot of bass, hmmm, how to fix this? Will dampening improve this, as I didn't put any yet...and will sealing in the baffle decrease the muddiness?

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                                    The finish looks spectacular in sunlight, but looks like crap under regular indoor lights. The tung oil adds alot of depth to the wood.

                                    Brendan
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                                    • cyberspyder
                                      Member
                                      • Apr 2008
                                      • 60

                                      #63
                                      Hmmm...I just realized I haven't completed my log...dur. Long story short...after my exams I finished them up. The following pictures are a couple months old....sorta like a look back in time LOL. Finished assembling the dampening that will go in the speakers. Zaph's plans called for some Sonic Barrier...but ever the cheap-ass, I decided to use a mixture of carpet padding with two different densities, similar to the 3-layer approach. For the back and the top I layered two pieces of chopped foam padding with some denser open-celled padding to create a 1 1/4" pad. The sides and bottom were covered in a pad consisting of two sheets of chopped-foam. My homemade approach worked relatively well...absorbed the unnecessary bass frequencies and tamed down the muddiness...which left me with a pair of pretty balanced and neutral bookshelf speakers.

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                                      General shot of dampening.

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                                      2-layer stuff.

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                                      1-layer.

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                                      Best spray adhesive for open-celled foam...impossible to tear apart bond...foam rips first.

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                                      Back and top done.

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                                      Closeup.

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                                      Current source (rockboxed Sansa with attenuator and JBL Power 20)

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                                      Angle shot (temporarily home)

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                                      Another angle shot (temporarily home)

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                                      Beauty shot (temporarily home)

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                                      Living on my desk for the time being.

                                      I know I should get some stands...believe me, it's in the works...plans are to get a couple of cinder blocks and glue them end to end so that they make a column. Seal, then paint them, install some spikes at the bottom, and voila...homemade 'dead' stands. I hoped you enjoyed this thread...pretty rewarding and satisfying. Currently, they live on top of a set of cabinets with books stacked on top to bring it to the correct height.

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                                      Brendan
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                                      • here.now
                                        Member
                                        • Jun 2008
                                        • 70

                                        #64
                                        Beautiful work, you seriously have some killer craftsman skills.
                                        How do they sound now that you padded them? Did it fix the muddiness and extra bass?
                                        My Stack Rack Build

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                                        • peter_m
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Sep 2007
                                          • 227

                                          #65
                                          Nice work there. I like the slightly retro look!

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