This is going to be long
This started out with a plan to build a couple of subs and eventually replace my Deftech 7002's with some Line Array's.
I enjoyed my setup for HT and for Hi-Res mutli-channel music but never cared for it in 2 channel. The reasons for this are explained here:
Now that I have that figured out it throws all of my plans into a tail spin and I thought it best to go at it from a whole room approach than trying to do piecemeal things together.
I'm really hoping someone can give me some advice and direction on redoing my entire setup. I want to do fronts/sub first, most likely near the same time, meaning once I finish the subs I'll work on the fronts. Center/Rears will come later but I want to keep them in mind.
Here is what I currently have:
Yamaha RX-V2600
Yamaha C950 DVD Player
Outlaw Audio ICBM
DefTech 7002 fronts w/ matching center/rears
There are some things about the Deftech's I really like, then there are some things I don't. No fault of the speaker, I just chose the wrong speaker for my room. The bipolar doesn't work well. They do have good imaging though the more I listen to them in 2 channel. I keep looking behind me to listen if my rears are on.
My goal is to gain clarity and separation. I have what I consider to be a good ear and can hear the minor details and want them to be emphasized. I want "big" sound. Right now I'm listening to Dead Can Dance's Wake. In some of the tracks I hear the voice and I hear the instruments but there seems to be this feeling that there could be more separation and detail to the voice where they become separate to the ear and not muddled in one another. I'd also like more low end punch which was the idea behind doing my own subs versus the subs built into the DefTech's.
The room, and I just measured, is a bit smaller than I thought. I went off the realtors page. It is 17.5x20 with 18' ceilings. I sit exactly 13.5 feet from the TV and the speakers flank both sides. The rears are equidistant to my listening position, about 2' outboard of each front. It opens into a foyer which is about 6' wide and extends the room to 37ft from door to side wall. It opens into an upstairs area that makes it a total of 24ft across and the ceiling slops at the midpoint to about 12'.
Here are some pics of the room. Sorry for the brightness, the room is far more mellow but my wife's camera is BRIGHT, its really not Ronald McDonald's Red We just had our windows replaced and hadn't gotten around to painting the trim and putting up the window treatments.
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You can see the problem with the room and the love seat.
I was intrigued by the dipoles and line arrays and we want something that looks nice along with something that is going to be superior to what we have. I am not sure if the Dipoles work well with subs, nor do I know if they work well for HT.
We do want this also for HT and I will look into a dedicated 2 channel setup later on.
Budget...well I had planned on about $1100 for subs and that seems to get me pretty close to 2 TC-2000 SonoSubs with a EP2500 or Carver 1800 amp. Is that still the best way to go?
Dipoles or Line Array's? My original choice was LA based on the post I linked to above but now that I've straightened that out I am reconsidering if I need them.
My Line Array's I figured were going to run me near 3K, some of that offset by the sale of my current speakers.
Music is #1, HT is a close Forum I will be listening to more 2 channel but want to be able to create matching centers and rears. For the time being they will be driven by my Yamaha but I'll be going with a separate amp and pre/pro at somepoint in time. I do not want the Yamaha to be the limiting factor. If I can build speaker A and speaker B but not hear the difference on my equipment, but I will hear it once I go with separate amps or a better pre/pro or dedicated 2 channel then I'd go with B because I do expect to have the system grow as time goes on.
My wife really liked the looks of the Dipoles and that couch will be in the way but we're going to re-arrange it somehow so its not blocking anything. Although WAF will not be a problem, she prefers function over form.
Now if I could bottle that and sell it
Thanks
This started out with a plan to build a couple of subs and eventually replace my Deftech 7002's with some Line Array's.
I enjoyed my setup for HT and for Hi-Res mutli-channel music but never cared for it in 2 channel. The reasons for this are explained here:
Now that I have that figured out it throws all of my plans into a tail spin and I thought it best to go at it from a whole room approach than trying to do piecemeal things together.
I'm really hoping someone can give me some advice and direction on redoing my entire setup. I want to do fronts/sub first, most likely near the same time, meaning once I finish the subs I'll work on the fronts. Center/Rears will come later but I want to keep them in mind.
Here is what I currently have:
Yamaha RX-V2600
Yamaha C950 DVD Player
Outlaw Audio ICBM
DefTech 7002 fronts w/ matching center/rears
There are some things about the Deftech's I really like, then there are some things I don't. No fault of the speaker, I just chose the wrong speaker for my room. The bipolar doesn't work well. They do have good imaging though the more I listen to them in 2 channel. I keep looking behind me to listen if my rears are on.
My goal is to gain clarity and separation. I have what I consider to be a good ear and can hear the minor details and want them to be emphasized. I want "big" sound. Right now I'm listening to Dead Can Dance's Wake. In some of the tracks I hear the voice and I hear the instruments but there seems to be this feeling that there could be more separation and detail to the voice where they become separate to the ear and not muddled in one another. I'd also like more low end punch which was the idea behind doing my own subs versus the subs built into the DefTech's.
The room, and I just measured, is a bit smaller than I thought. I went off the realtors page. It is 17.5x20 with 18' ceilings. I sit exactly 13.5 feet from the TV and the speakers flank both sides. The rears are equidistant to my listening position, about 2' outboard of each front. It opens into a foyer which is about 6' wide and extends the room to 37ft from door to side wall. It opens into an upstairs area that makes it a total of 24ft across and the ceiling slops at the midpoint to about 12'.
Here are some pics of the room. Sorry for the brightness, the room is far more mellow but my wife's camera is BRIGHT, its really not Ronald McDonald's Red We just had our windows replaced and hadn't gotten around to painting the trim and putting up the window treatments.
Images not available
You can see the problem with the room and the love seat.
I was intrigued by the dipoles and line arrays and we want something that looks nice along with something that is going to be superior to what we have. I am not sure if the Dipoles work well with subs, nor do I know if they work well for HT.
We do want this also for HT and I will look into a dedicated 2 channel setup later on.
Budget...well I had planned on about $1100 for subs and that seems to get me pretty close to 2 TC-2000 SonoSubs with a EP2500 or Carver 1800 amp. Is that still the best way to go?
Dipoles or Line Array's? My original choice was LA based on the post I linked to above but now that I've straightened that out I am reconsidering if I need them.
My Line Array's I figured were going to run me near 3K, some of that offset by the sale of my current speakers.
Music is #1, HT is a close Forum I will be listening to more 2 channel but want to be able to create matching centers and rears. For the time being they will be driven by my Yamaha but I'll be going with a separate amp and pre/pro at somepoint in time. I do not want the Yamaha to be the limiting factor. If I can build speaker A and speaker B but not hear the difference on my equipment, but I will hear it once I go with separate amps or a better pre/pro or dedicated 2 channel then I'd go with B because I do expect to have the system grow as time goes on.
My wife really liked the looks of the Dipoles and that couch will be in the way but we're going to re-arrange it somehow so its not blocking anything. Although WAF will not be a problem, she prefers function over form.
Now if I could bottle that and sell it
Thanks
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