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  • JOY DIVISION
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 152

    #1

    Windows Vista will make you upgrade!!!

    There is a new systemwide content protection scheme on Windows Vista, PVP-OPM-Protected Video Path Output Protection Management.This is to prevent people from attaching recording devices directly to your graphics card DVI or HDMI's outputs. So if your High-end monitor that you bought does not support HDCP- High Bandwidth Digital Content Protection, it would be considered useless in watching your Blu-ray and HD-DVD, cause all you'll get is a fuzzy rendition of your favorite flick.Think you could avoid this by sticking to Win XP, :E To see HD you need to upgrade to Windows VISTA since Win XP's security and driver models lack the aility to support HDCP. :cry:
  • Kevin P
    Ultra Senior Member
    • Aug 2000
    • 10812

    #2
    One of many reasons I'll be avoiding Vista for as long as humanly possible. :roll:

    At least until 3rd party workarounds appear, and I'm sure someone will create a HDCP driver for XP, legal or not.

    You see, this is what we get for not loudly protesting activation in XP. I knew this was going to happen, long before it did.

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    • Shane Martin
      Super Senior Member
      • Apr 2001
      • 2852

      #3
      Thankfully I'm ready to go. Let the HD discs come out!

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      • aud19
        Twin Moderator Emeritus
        • Aug 2003
        • 16706

        #4
        I've still got RGB, CRT monitors so no worries there for me.
        Jason

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        • Kevin P
          Ultra Senior Member
          • Aug 2000
          • 10812

          #5
          Originally posted by aud19
          I've still got RGB, CRT monitors so no worries there for me.
          Well, there's the rub, they won't allow HD content on our good old VGA CRT monitors. DVI with HDCP will be the only way, thanks to our overly greedy and paranoid entertainment industry.

          And even if you have a LCD with DVI connections, many PC monitors don't have HDCP support.

          They've gone too far with their protection schemes this time, and this time it's going to turn around and bite them. When people discover that they have to replace their hardware to watch the new discs, many people won't buy the new discs. I know I won't be replacing my hardware just to watch HD discs.

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          • aud19
            Twin Moderator Emeritus
            • Aug 2003
            • 16706

            #6
            Well thankfully at this time I have no plans to watch any HD on my 19" monitor PC system. If and when I do end up getting a HTPC in my family room, my TV has an HDCP compliant DVI input. But I agree, the lengths they're going are ridiculous and "anti-consumer" IMO.

            Kev, not only will this continuing trend to try to over-control everything affect movie discs, I can see it having a negative effect on MS's Vista sales as well. This could be a great opportunity for the likes of Linux and even Apple to make some serious headway here.... I know Linux is based on the freeware philosophy but imagine a "cheap" (say$25-$50) version on top of the free version that would be much more feature rich and driver friendly to compete with MS......
            Jason

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            • PewterTA
              Super Senior Member
              • Nov 2004
              • 2900

              #7
              If you think there's no way around it...

              You are already mistaken. I've been running the Vista Beta for a month now...

              There's software (already) and hardware (coming soon) that will get around the protection.

              So far Vista has not stopped ANY HD content I could throw at it....
              Digital Audio makes me Happy.
              -Dan

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              • aud19
                Twin Moderator Emeritus
                • Aug 2003
                • 16706

                #8
                Originally posted by PewterTA
                If you think there's no way around it...

                You are already mistaken. I've been running the Vista Beta for a month now...

                There's software (already) and hardware (coming soon) that will get around the protection.

                So far Vista has not stopped ANY HD content I could throw at it....

                Hahaha :lol: When will they learn eh? :roll: :B
                Jason

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                • cinema bob
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 154

                  #9
                  no problems for me either. macintosh and proud

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                  • Kirium
                    Member
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 42

                    #10
                    While the so called "entertainment" industry keeps plotting away to build superior mouse traps to protect their cheese, we're lucky there's so many smart, young mice out there in bedrooms and study's around the world who are more than up to the challenge of beating the trap to get the cheese...

                    Any trap they think up, the mice will easily adapt to....

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                    • Kevin P
                      Ultra Senior Member
                      • Aug 2000
                      • 10812

                      #11
                      Originally posted by PewterTA
                      So far Vista has not stopped ANY HD content I could throw at it....
                      But, have you thrown any protected HD content at it yet? Most is unprotected currently.

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                      • PewterTA
                        Super Senior Member
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 2900

                        #12
                        Yes I have.. I've got the New Robots WMVHD DVD and it works fine which says it's supposed to be protected... Which I copied the disc and used it before and after I applied the software "patches" and it did not work before, then worked afterwards (the copy that is)...

                        Soooooo..... I'd think it works.
                        Digital Audio makes me Happy.
                        -Dan

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                        • Chris D
                          Ultra Senior Member
                          • Dec 2000
                          • 16875

                          #13
                          Ah, a new WMVHD disc? Cool... must go buy...
                          CHRIS

                          Well, we're safe for now. Thank goodness we're in a bowling alley.
                          - Pleasantville

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                          • Chris D
                            Ultra Senior Member
                            • Dec 2000
                            • 16875

                            #14
                            Hey, Pewter... I followed the link from the WMVHD page to buy the Robots disc, and it took me to the Fox store. The listing for the Robots disc doesn't say anything about WMVHD, though. Do all Robots DVD's have WMVHD on it? So can I just go out and buy the standard Robots DVD?
                            CHRIS

                            Well, we're safe for now. Thank goodness we're in a bowling alley.
                            - Pleasantville

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