saw a cool little trick for plasmas today

[peterS]

when displaying text or a logo of sorts take a white sheet of paper and hold it flat against the panel

only two plasmas will still be legible, the remaining brands will not

can anybody guess which two?

it supposedly demonstrates how much the front panel diffuses the individual pixels on most plasmas, sacrificing picture quality

[Audiophiliac]

I dont buy it :P

[drsiebling]

Have you seen this work?

My guess would be Fujitsu and Pioneer are the two brands you speak of.

[Kevin P]

I don't buy it either. All it will show you is how close/far the pixels are from the surface glass of the screen. Essentially meaningless IMHO, unless you regularly watch your plasma with pieces of paper stuck to the screen.

It's the paper that diffuses the pixels, not the glass. If the glass diffused them, you'd see it with the naked eye, no paper required.

[peterS]

I don't buy it either. All it will show you is how close/far the pixels are from the surface glass of the screen. Essentially meaningless IMHO, unless you regularly watch your plasma with pieces of paper stuck to the screen.

It's the paper that diffuses the pixels, not the glass. If the glass diffused them, you'd see it with the naked eye, no paper required.

its a good comparison tool
its obviouse it shows what a thick glass pannel can do to light
if you dont care about the video side of things then i guess it is meaningless to you

[peterS]

Have you seen this work?

My guess would be Fujitsu and Pioneer are the two brands you speak of.

the pioneer obviously :W
the other one is the LG pc3d series only (oddly enough not there more expensive lines as of now)

i am sure there are more high end panels that utilize such a construction meathod

exciting to see it in a pannel at the lg's price point

[RobP]

when displaying text or a logo of sorts take a white sheet of paper and hold it flat against the panel

only two plasmas will still be legible, the remaining brands will not

can anybody guess which two?

it supposedly demonstrates how much the front panel diffuses the individual pixels on most plasmas, sacrificing picture quality

:scratchhead:

[Audiophiliac]

This is retarded. I have Marantz, Mitsu, Runco, Samsung, Panasonic, LG, Pioneer, Fujitsu, and on and on experience. None of them look like the front panel "diffuses the individual pixels". Describe how that works again. What does it do to the picture? lol....its a crock.

And on another note, we just received our first shipment of LG panels in. I am not impressed at all. I would get an Olevia over the LG LCDs. :P

[peterS]

the lcds suck... but most do

any reasonable person can judge for themselves and conclude that an lcd will be much sharper than a plasma

[Kevin P]

its a good comparison tool
its obviouse it shows what a thick glass pannel can do to light
if you dont care about the video side of things then i guess it is meaningless to you

The larger Sony Wega CRTs have 2" or more of glass on the front of the tube, but you'd never know by looking at the screen.

Most people don't watch their TV through a piece of paper, so the thickness of the glass in front of the pixels is mostly irrelevant. Look at the set without the piece of paper and see if you notice a difference. If the thickness of the glass makes a difference, you'd see it then.

[peterS]

The larger Sony Wega CRTs have 2" or more of glass on the front of the tube, but you'd never know by looking at the screen.

Most people don't watch their TV through a piece of paper, so the thickness of the glass in front of the pixels is mostly irrelevant. Look at the set without the piece of paper and see if you notice a difference. If the thickness of the glass makes a difference, you'd see it then.

good example of another tv that struggles with sharpness
use it as a pc monitor or w/ video games

[RobP]

I am sure that the manufacturers would use a grade of glass that would not degrade the image.

[peterS]

I am sure that the manufacturers would use a grade of glass that would not degrade the image.

or some would take steps to overcome it

you guys are rediculouse :roll:

[RobP]

you guys are rediculouse :roll:

Ridiculous because we don't watch TV through a piece of paper? :huh: Or that we have a different opinion on the subject? Its too bad that you have to resort to attacks when some dont agree. :nonod:

Anyhoo, this sales trick only shows one thing, the distance of the paper from the actual display, not the sharpness. put that piece of paper an 1/8" or so away from the displays without the glass and you will get the same effect, the glass does not distort the image.

[aud19]

Peter, perhaps instead of posting sarcastic comments, you could post examples of real life differences this "design problem" causes with real life (sans paper) viewing. I'd like to see an example of how this degrades the picture with these two sets side by side. Objective data/evidence of actual picture degredation will get you a lot farther than sarcastic comments and eye rolling

Show us REAL differences in REAL viewing situations (as pointed out, I know nobody who watches TV with paper in front of their sets) and people might actually listen.

[peterS]

Peter, perhaps instead of posting sarcastic comments, you could post examples of real life differences this "design problem" causes with real life (sans paper) viewing. I'd like to see an example of how this degrades the picture with these two sets side by side. Objective data/evidence of actual picture degredation will get you a lot farther than sarcastic comments and eye rolling

Show us REAL differences in REAL viewing situations (as pointed out, I know nobody who watches TV with paper in front of their sets) and people might actually listen.

none of my remarks were sarcastic
if you cant see the difference power to you
some including myself feel that plasmas using the traditional construction have issues with reflections
wiether it be ambient light or reflecting there own image
look at credits from a movie if you have trouble seeing this

i posted this hoping that someone would find it usefull

fyi it apears only the 42" lg uses this unique construction....