I want my SED!!

[PewterTA]

Woooo Hoooo!!!!

100,000 to 1 contrast ratio. :E ;x(

[aud19]

Woooo Hoooo!!!!

100,000 to 1 contrast ratio. :E ;x(

I know :B And I love this demonstration of black levels, try this with a plasma/LCD :B

[RebelMan]

I have seen the display of the future and that future is with SED!!! Forget what you know about "obsolete" flat pannels, aka, plasmas, LCD and quasi DLPs and the various derivatives. I kid you not SED WILL BE the display that all others will be judged. It IS the new standard.

The most INCREDIBLE thing I have seen at CES this year. The demo was displayed on a 37" screen at 720p and SLAUGHTERED anything else I have seen at CES at 1080p, that's right I said 1080"P"! YOU WILL WANT ONE!!! The lines to get in and see it were over 30 minute wait and the most popular attraction by far. The production model, expected this year sometime, will be 55" and 1080p (Full HD). I wish I could afford one.

Those photos are pethetic compared to the real mccoy. You have to see it to believe it.

[aud19]

You luck SOB you got to see one!!!???!?! :E

Yeah even the site admits their photos are crap but I thought that was a prett good demonstration of black levels regardless :B

[ThomasW]

I want my S.E.D. money for nothing, get your chicks for free.......

[aud19]

I want my S.E.D. money for nothing, get your chicks for free.......

A little early in the day to be drinking isn't it Thomas...? :nonod:

:B :rofl:

[ThomasW]

A little early in the day to be drinking isn't it Thomas...?

If you're talking about a double shot latte from my new Gaggia machine, nope never to early .... :wink:

[RebelMan]

You luck SOB you got to see one!!!???!?! :E

Yeah even the site admits their photos are crap but I thought that was a prett good demonstration of black levels regardless :B

You bet I did and it will be the most memorable CES 2006 moment for me. I saw the display at the Toshiba exhibit. Today I noticed that Canon was also showing their SED wares (same screens, etc.). I was going to have another look until I saw the long line wrapped around the room! I would have waited but there were just too many other things to see.

It has completely spoiled me for ANY other display on the planet, flat panel or otherwise, it was that FRIGGIN cool! Not even Sony's new prototype SXRD display came close. ABSOLUTELY NO BLURRING, the deepest blacks EVER, RAZOR sharp images, GORGEOUS colors, CONTRAST that has no equal. Simply UNBELIEVABLE!!!

[aud19]

Ooooooh! :banana: I can't wait to see one!!!

[Holland]

Anyone any idea what price range the SEDs will be in???

Right now Iam happy with my 42'' EDTV, I just got a HD box installed this weekend and it looks super!!! But I would be more than happy to get an real HDTV in 2 years time, when its affordable.

[aud19]

When they arrive in North America late 2006/early 2007, prices are expected to be slightly higher (say 10%) than an equivalent sized (SED will be 55") 1080p quality plasma and steadily dropping in price from that point on.

[Kyle]

When they arrive in North America late 2006/early 2007, prices are expected to be slightly higher (say 10%) than an equivalent sized (SED will be 55") 1080p quality plasma and steadily dropping in price from that point on.

I was telling myself I could hold out, but I've given up! I am glad that they won't be insanely expensive when they come out ($5k+), but I just can't wait any more!

Good to see that the prototypes have made it across the pond though. Come generation 2 and I'm there

[RebelMan]

Kyle, I believe any non-SED flat panel you purchase, whatever it is, will take a significant drop in resale value when the SED's become available. I too would like a flat pannel, but considering what I now know, it would be foolish to spend any money now just to have one. Be patient and save it. Trust me, the wait will be worth it! :T

[aud19]

Unless your planning on a smaller, less expensive plasma like a 42" EDTV Panasonic I'd tend to agree with "Mr. Dean" I just couldn't spend $5k+ right now on a flat panel... even if I had it :lol:

[JonMarsh]

Seeing a SED display was the one reason I wish I did have time to spend in the main halls at CES. However, I spent my time off from Booth Duty at the Alexis Park, and was fairly happy with that time spent.

Still, only a SED will ever pry my NEC 10PG out of my cold dead hands.

Everything I've heard about contrast and color gamut really has me excited.

[Kyle]

Well my problem is I am non-hd currently, and I need a FP because I have a rather malicious kitten who would love to shred any tv not made of glass.

I'm ok with the resale on the LCD I'm getting (40" Bravia XBR) going down as it will probably be relegated to my bedroom at such time I get an SED. I've waited this long for HD but I just can't go another day!

[aud19]

Another article

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/08/s...-and-personal/

The SED display sets were 32-inches showing a 720p pic, but the production units later this year will be 55-inches in full 1080p. Even with the the 720p source material during the 12-minute presentation, the SED picture rivaled, or even exceeded some of the 1080p displays we scanned this week. The demo highlighted features like brightness, contrast, depth and color. Probably the best way to describe something this visual is to think back to when you first saw HDTV. Remember the impact it had on you and the jump you saw in picture quality? That's what SED feels like; it's like making the jump from SDTV to HDTV all over again. It's that good.

[aud19]

SED manufacturing methods revealed:

http://neasia.nikkeibp.com/neasia/002048

[ThomasW]

SED manufacturing methods revealed:

Cool, with that information I can whip one up from spare parts in the basement...... :roflmao:

[aud19]

:lol: I wish! I'd get you to build one for me too :lol:

[aud19]

There is an online SED (flash) video demo and an online (flash) interview with Canon's Director of Marketing.

"Also, according to Michael Zorich, Canon’s Director of Marketing, SED’s will first be available in Japan in limited quantities and then will be available throughout the world beginning in 2007... Another couple notes from Michael: screen size is virtually unlimited as long as they can maintain the integrity of the glass (think 100″+), SED has better viewing angles than any other display technology currently out there, and the first SED sets will be 55″ and native 1080p."

taken from

http://www.hdtvhelponline.com/blog/2006/01/20/sed-view-a-flash-demo.html

(full disclosure: my buddy runs the blog)

If you want to see an interview with Canon's Director of Marketing re: SED then use this link:

http://www.dlmag.com/video.php?type=flash&fileid=CES2006-Canon-interview-480-h264384K_Stream

If you want to view Canon's SED demo then use this link:

http://www.dlmag.com/video.php?type=flash&fileid=CES2006-Canon-SED-Demo-480-h264384K_Stream

[aud19]

This from gaming site IGN's coverage re: SED and CES '06, three posts:

"The best tech at the Consumer Electronics Show 2006 was Toshiba/Canon's SED television. The companies jointly debuted the new type of display, which is neither plasma nor LCD, at the big event, and everyone who saw it was pretty well amazed. On the first day of CES I found myself huddled together with a dozen others in a dark room that was illuminated only by three brightly lit 42" SEDs. The TVs, by the way, look exactly like the one below. A pretty spiffy design, actually. Note that these are prototypes:

I was prepared to be underwhelmed, to be honest. I had already seen so much at CES that was either "blah" or, worse, "meh." But to my surprise, I was astonished at the perfect picture these babies generate.

A really quickie TV breakdown. CRTs -- the big, boxy televisions of yesteryear -- are even by today's standards favored amongst videophiles because they have the best contrast ratios, which translates to deeper blacks and more vivid, realistic colors. Plasmas and LCDs lose about 200 pounds of physical TV, which is nice, but they have up until recently really lacked where contrast ratios and response times are concerned. To be specific, blacks on LCDs and plasmas tend to look almost gray and refresh rates -- especially on the latter -- can create a ghosting, blurring effect, which is bad. SED is a merging of CRT picture quality with plasma/LCD design -- what I like to call the very best of both worlds."

**

"The prototype SED displays on-hand at CES 2006 were absolutely spectacular. I'm going to separate individual words with periods in order to stress a point. Pay attention now because I hardly ever do this. SED. Is. The. Freakin'. Future.

Consider that my 50" Panasonic plasma -- which, by the way, I adore -- has a contrast ratio of 3000:1. Today's cutting-edge flat panels have upped the ratio to 4000:1. SEDs, by comparison, sport a contrast ratio of 100,000: 1. Not a typo. One-hundred thousand to one. The result? Blacks so deep that they look even better than any CRT I've seen. Toshiba/Canon showed us video designed to demonstrate the way in which SED handles grayscale situations. Even in dark environments, it's entirely possible to make out different degrees of blackness -- which is something that is rarely possible on LCD or plasma. For instance, a boat floated through a lake in darkness. Everything was black, but I could still clearly see the lake shimmering and reflecting, just as I could make out the boat. Faintly and realistically. I may as well have been there. Demonstrations showing off SED brightness, color and motion particulars were every bit as impressive.

I should note that every IGN editor I made watch the demo walked out of the room convinced that SED is the best thing ever. And it will be. This is serious tech and it's not going away. It's not a fad. It's not a niche. It's going to be big. Toshiba and Canon believe so strongly in SED that they have together invested nearly $4 billion into the next-generation display type. That's a lot of cash for a product that hasn't even hit retailers yet. The companies earlier this year formed SED, Inc. and have established a factory in western Japan to produce the TVs.

Neither Toshiba nor Canon would commit to a release time frame or price structure for SED at CES 2006. That said, the companies did note that SED sets will be available before the end of the year and reports abound suggest that the tech will be competitively priced against plasma and LCD.

Although the prototype displays I saw at CES were only 42" in size and running in 720p, the final sets will start at 55" and support 1080p. Hurray. If ever there was a TV to match the PS3, this will be it."

**

"I have to say that I wasn't overly impressed by much of what I saw at the show. Sure, there was a ton of cool technology, but almost all of it was to be expected so there was an almost total lack of surprises. Blu-ray and HD-DVD looked great, everyone's new plasmas and other digital sets looked better than last year's, and so on and so forth, but I expected every second of it.

Really, the only two things that surprised and impressed me were Toshiba's SED demo and Dolby's 14.1 concept clip. The SED demonstration was simply astonishing and it's easily the highlight of the show for me. I can't wait to see these things when they go into production and actually have increased image quality over what I've seen."

[zorg]

I'm drooling already wonder how long they will take to lob down under!!!

[runninkyle17]

Ooooohhhhh.... I am so ready for SED to come out. I just wish Toshiba would give in and lay out some info on the price of the first 50" SED TV. I am looking to get an upgrade to my crappy TV and if SED is going to be competitively priced then I will wait, but if it is going to be as expensive as Pioneer Elite PDP's, then I am out.

Oh well, patience is a virtue (even if it is a really crappy one)!

[RebelMan]

This from gaming site IGN's coverage re: SED and CES '06,...

"The prototype SED displays on-hand at CES 2006 were absolutely spectacular. I'm going to separate individual words with periods in order to stress a point. Pay attention now because I hardly ever do this. SED. Is. The. Freakin'. Future. ... The SED demonstration was simply astonishing and it's easily the highlight of the show for me."

I have seen the display of the future and that future is with SED!!!... The most INCREDIBLE thing I have seen at CES this year.

Whoa, deja-vu! :T Jason, you are in for a real treat my friend!

[Race Car Driver]

Ohhh.... how did I miss this thread?! Oh.. it was stickied at the top of the page! Thats how!!!

Guess I will be waiting to get a new TV untill next year.... or get my self a cheapie widescreen Westinghouse LCD from work to hold me over! :lol:

[aud19]

Ohhh.... how did I miss this thread?! Oh.. it was stickied at the top of the page! Thats how!!!

Guess I will be waiting to get a new TV untill next year.... or get my self a cheapie widescreen Westinghouse LCD from work to hold me over! :lol:

Unfortunately, don't plan on getting anything "affordable much before at least 2008 if not later. Between now and then they're expected to be somewhere between $5k-$10K Think 55" 1080p Pioneer plasma prices plus say 5%-10%

[Brandon B]

Not what you want to hear, but . . .

February 23, 2006 - Satoshi Niikura, executive vice president at Toshiba digital media network division and general manager of the TV division, stated yesterday "The launch of SED TVs, planned for this spring, is likely to be delayed, as we are in trouble purchasing panels sufficiently due to production is still in the pilot stage,- according to a report from DisplayBank. Canon plans to have its own branded SED TV, which would initiate Canon's participation in the TV business. Since the only source of SED panels is SED Inc., the Toshiba-Canon JV founded to do the manufacturing, Canon's TV introduction is also delayed.

BB

[aud19]

So far that seems it's only going to affect the Japan launch... Hopefully it won't have an adverse effect on the North American launch....

[aud19]

Video clip:

http://www.dlmag.com/video.php?type=flash&fileid=CES2006-Canon-SED-Demo-480-h264384K_Stream

[aud19]

http://tvs.consumerelectronicsnet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=36718

[aud19]

Some less than good news

http://today.reuters.com/business/newsArticle.aspx?type=technology&storyID=nT343273

[David Meek]

Drat. Oh well, the continuing 25-30% price drop for plasmas and LCDs sounds good.

[aud19]

http://www.monitor4u.co.kr/english/news/cont.asp?idx=1253&contdiv=

Fujii describes the SED TV''s picture quality as "having more potential than any other TV panel technology," and expects the pricing to receive "a 10-20% premium over the price of PDP and LCD TVs." On the other hand, to realize a panel with the SED''s genuine picture quality and a cost no more than a 10-20% premium over PDP and LCD TV prices, "The Hiratsuka pilot line is not productive enough," he said.

[Nathan P]

Aren't these supposed to be easier to produce than LCD or Plasma? If so, than if a company comes out with these at competitive prices, then they are going to be very rich. I don't care that a ton of people will be willing to pay the extra, he who sells at a price where the MASSES will accept it over plasma (Which to the uneducated mind is like, the pinnacle of everything TV). Of course, that wouldn't hurt helping my parents to go for one :twisted:

[Shawn Parr]

Aren't these supposed to be easier to produce than LCD or Plasma?

Once they are mass produced the technology should be cheaper for manufacturing.

They also said the same about OLED, but since then have ran into technical difficulties.

Really only time will tell, but SED does look very promising.

[aud19]

Yeah, a lot of it has to do with volume. Largely due to volume LCD/Plasma have both steadily fallen in price faster and more drastically than Tosh/Canon anticipated. So even with lower mfr'ing costs at equivelant volumes, at initial (ie: much smaller) volumes they've decided to work a little longer at reducing complexity/cost to be more competitive with rapidly falling flat panel prices.

[Nathan P]

So actually they will probably be cheaper than Canon and Toshiba originally expected because they will have to be priced competitively with the Plasma screens you can get now for around 3000 for a 50 inch. Those aren't the best maybe, but if they don't price it where the masses will want it, then it won't be profitable. All the better for us :B

[aud19]

So actually they will probably be cheaper than Canon and Toshiba originally expected because they will have to be priced competitively with the Plasma screens you can get now for around 3000 for a 50 inch. Those aren't the best maybe, but if they don't price it where the masses will want it, then it won't be profitable. All the better for us :B

Expect them to be a 10-15% premium over similarly sized, quality 1080p plasmas, not 1024x768 plasmas made my the lowest bidder in Korea Think more like Pioneer Elite plasma at 55", and 1080p pricing. In other words nowhere near $3000 for a while yet...

[aud19]

A good article on the current state of SED:

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/sedtech.html

[aud19]

http://www.displaybank.com/eng2004/n...ate=2006-05-12

Toshiba to Launch SED TV in 4Q 2007

Toshiba Corp. has unveiled its blueprint for SED (surface conduction electron-emitter display) rollout in an announcement of the mid-to-long-term business plan until 2008.

Because SED features lower material costs than LCD, the manufacturing costs, depreciated by facility costs, can be reduced. The company is currently swinging into action to prepare full mass production.

The company plans to start the initial mass production of SED panels at the conventional plant in Hiratsuka City, Kanagawa prefecture, in July 2007, with the size of 55-inch, and then bring the world's first SED TVs to the market from the fourth quarter of 2007. Full production in volume will be performed in the Himeji line from early 2008, and the sales of SED TV sets will target the Beijing Olympics in 2008, according to the company.

[Brandon B]

The race is on. First to hit the market, SED, Windows Vista, or PS3? Place your bets!

BB

[aud19]

The race is on. First to hit the market, SED, Windows Vista, or PS3? Place your bets!

BB

Aaaah the age of ever changing technology and ever changing release dates :lol: :roll:

[Hdale85]

I'm going to say the PS3 will hit the market first, For one they just threw out everything they've done on vista and started over. And SED isnt going to be out for like another year.

[David Meek]

4Q2007? Oh man, I don't know if I can hold out that long. Although having the first set released be a 55" is intriguing as that's the maximum size I can consider in my current room.

I do like the fact that SED draws less current than comparable plasmas and LCDs. Anything to keep the monthly electric bill lower is good - even if it's nothing substantial.