rsp1068 + new hd formats = HOW?

[robert L]

hello , can anyone tell me is there anyway to get dolby true hd and
dts hd with an rsp1068 or do i need to upgrade to the 1570, i
currently have the ps3 as my blueray player and rmb1095 as amp.
Is there any way! thanks for replies, Rob

[TommyV]

multi channel analog connections

[Kevin D]

No multi-channel outputs on the PS3..

You can add one of the products mentioned here:

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=32853

But you will lose bass management and delay settings using the multi-channel inputs of the 1068..

If you think you will use the PS3 for a while, you could find a good deal on a 1069 as it will accept the MPCM HDMI output of the PS3.


Kevin D.

[HDBLU]

hello , can anyone tell me is there anyway to get dolby true hd and
dts hd with an rsp1068 or do i need to upgrade to the 1570, i
currently have the ps3 as my blueray player and rmb1095 as amp.
Is there any way! thanks for replies, Rob

No you can not get Lossless on the rsp1068, you will need the New 1570 But you have the PS3 the PS3 will not send a bitstream signal to the 1570 so you will not get the light shining on the display on the AVR, How you get Lossless from the PS3 is the PS3 will send a PCM signal trough HDMI and on the 1570 it will come up as PCM multichannel, All of the decoding is in the PS3 but the PS3 will not send a bitstream to your AVR so it can decode it and never will do bitstream in any update sorry to say.

Hope this helps

[robert L]

thanks everyone for your input.....i was reading that older recievers will output the new hd formats as long as u have a new bd player with 7.1 outputs, can this be true!

[robert L]

No you can not get Lossless on the rsp1068, you will need the New 1570 But you have the PS3 the PS3 will not send a bitstream signal to the 1570 so you will not get the light shining on the display on the AVR, How you get Lossless from the PS3 is the PS3 will send a PCM signal trough HDMI and on the 1570 it will come up as PCM multichannel, All of the decoding is in the PS3 but the PS3 will not send a bitstream to your AVR so it can decode it and never will do bitstream in any update sorry to say.

Hope this helps

hmmm.. sounds logical but how bout with a new bdplayer

[TommyV]

Yea sorry I missed the PS3 part. Just get a player with multi channel analogs outputs that decodes all the formats.

[june]

A new bluray player $350-$500
The new Rotel 1570 $2200

Can you justify the difference?

[TommyV]

The try to find a deal on a 1069 suggestion from Kevin is a good one as well. That is actually what I am doing now. I will soon be the owner of a new 1069/1075 combo.

[tpirovol]

Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to place my 2cents into this discussion. I was in a similar boat with a 1057 and wanted the new HD formats. I then sold my 1057 and got the 1550 and hooked it up to my PS3 and to my horror it would only show mult-channel and not TrueHD. I read a bit more and realized the ps3 only did LPCM which kinda bummed me out so I purchased a Sony BD550 and did the bistreaming that way.

After all of this testing I found that LPCM does not come close to the sound truehd produces decoded by the 1550. I did not try the analog out but just wanted to let you know there is a sound difference between LPCM and bitstreaming even when sending it through the BD550.

My recommendation see if you can borrow a BD550 and try the analog outs first then take that same BD550 and the movie you are familiar with and hook it up to the 1069 at your dealer via LPCM/HDMI. Then lastly hook it up to the new 1550 or 1560 and make a decision that way.

I found LPCM to be very low in volume lacking detail and punch via LPCM.

Like I said this is just my 2cents just wanted to let you know how it sounded through my ears before you make your decision.

Thanks Terry

[TommyV]

Just curious if you did the audio setup using an SPL meter to make sure the extra "punch" was not due to lower volume level. Also there may be a need for the sub to be boosted on LPCM. In theory, they should be equal in quality but that does not discount your experience. I would be interested to heard more about your comparison methods.

[tpirovol]

Hi Tommy,

I tried to make it the same as possible. I had a spl meter but did not use it for these test as I was using my ears as the level of volume based on high's and overal loudness. It was weird when the reciever process LPCM the volume is much lower and that is fine but even after you turn it up it seems to loose detail.

Here is an example in Batman the scene where he shoots the wires from the motorcycle to the truck in TrueHD you hear the wires more defined when they are moving but with LPCM it does not have that detail no matter how loud you turn it up. I tried it with other refence blu-rays and just find it lacks the detail over TrueHD and DTSHD via bitstream.

My recommendation is if possible try it out and see what happens maybe you will have a different experience. Also try out the analog out's with your unit and let me know how it sounds as I am curious if it sounds better then LPCM did.

Thanks Terry
Good luck!

[hifiguymi]

One thing to keep in mind with most BD players, like the BDP-S550, they don't have a +10dB correction on the LFE output. The RSP-1068 doesn't have it either so using a combo like that will not get you proper bass levels. The only player that I know of that has a +10dB on the LFE is the Denon DVD-3800BDCI. If you were going to spend that kind money on that you would be better off getting an RSP-1069 or RSP-1570. Just my two cents.

Eric

[maxwebster]

tpirovol - are you able to compare your analog ins from the BD player (assuming your BD has analog out) - I'd be interested in how you would rate the analog to the bitstream

edit: also, if you could compare BD PCM to BD Bitstream, and since you are in the mood, how about BD PCM to PS3 PCM? :T

[TommyV]

One thing to keep in mind with most BD players, like the BDP-S550, they don't have a +10dB correction on the LFE output. The RSP-10698 doesn't have it either so using a combo like that will not get you proper bass levels. The only player that I know of that has a +10dB on the LFE is the Denon DVD-3800BDCI. If you were going to spend that kind money on that you would be better off getting an RSP-1069 or RSP-1570. Just my two cents.

Eric

My rsx 1057 has the ability to boost the LFE 10dB. Are you saying that rotel removed this feature on the 1069?

[hifiguymi]

I was referring to the RSP-1068 and I forgot that in the subwoofer set up menu it has a +10 to -10 dB range for the multi channel input. I must have been thinking of another piece of gear. I've run into it on a couple of pieces (older preamps and receivers without HDMI) in the last six months with both Pioneer and Sony BD players. Sorry about that. The RSP-1069 has it as well but I doubt it gets used very often on that piece.

Eric

[TommyV]

You had me worried for a min as I just ordered a 1069.

[tpirovol]

Hi Maxwebster,

Sorry I recently sold the BD550 in hopes of getting a BD55 but they are sold out here in Toronto. I am waiting for the new panasonic players to come out. I also upgraded since that test to the 1560 which does not change the scenario to much.

I can however tell you that I prefer bistreaming DD and DTS non HD over LPCM from my PS3. The sound is more alive then TrueHD and DTSHD via LPCM.

I hope that soon the new BD player will be out and I will do a full comparision.

Thanks Terry

[robert L]

Is ddtrue hd and dts hd really worth all this hype,! my ps3 with blueray's regular dts, rmb1095, rsp1068, and b&w 703 system with 2 asw750 subs, is flat out AWSOME! do the hd formats sound that much better, some sound out burst's acually scare me....

[TommyV]

I can however tell you that I prefer bistreaming DD and DTS non HD over LPCM from my PS3. The sound is more alive then TrueHD and DTSHD via LPCM.

I hope that soon the new BD player will be out and I will do a full comparision.

Thanks Terry

You are the first person I have ever actually seen say they prefer regular DD over decoded TrueHD. Thousands and thousands of accounts of how much better it sounds (including myself via analogs) before bitstreaming the new codecs was even an option. Something makes me think your setup may be off.

There are some out there that say bitstreaming the new codecs is better but just as many that disagree.

[kmcheng]

You are the first person I have ever actually seen say they prefer regular DD over decoded TrueHD. Thousands and thousands of accounts of how much better it sounds (including myself via analogs) before bitstreaming the new codecs was even an option. Something makes me think your setup may be off.

There are some out there that say bitstreaming the new codecs is better but just as many that disagree.

I have to agree. I have yet to come across any blu-ray discs with a lossless/trueHD/DTS HD sound track that sounds inferior to the legacy-codec track. I too am using the PS3 as my source and I have the 1069 as a processor.

I am not trying to dispute the listening experience of other forum members, but something there does not sound right.

[june]

hello robert l,

how far are you away from collegeville pa 19426? is see you are in new jersey.
if possible, stop by one day and we can do our own test. i have the rsp1068, rmb1075, panny db55, paradigm ref studio 100s v2 & sony sxrd 60xbr2. i get the hd sounds via anaolog inputs. donaldsonjune@yahoo.com is my email address.

[TommyV]

Sweet setup june.

[june]

thank tommy v,

we can only get what the wife & $$$$ allows

[TommyV]

I'm not married but I know what you mean on the $$ part. I am upgrading my RSX 1057 to a 1069/1075 combo. I have a B&W 601 S3s, LCR 600 S3, ASW 600, sharp blu-ray and Pioneer PDP-5080HD 50" Kuro plasma.

I also just picked up an APC H15 Power Conditioner (same as RLC-1040). I have a Belkin PF60 but I thought I would try this one out since it is Rotel approved.

[june]

tommy v,

will the 1069 decode the hd formats via hdmi???
if not plan b. get the 1068 because of the anaolog inputs.
the price of the 1068 has dropped.

[robert L]

thank tommy v,

we can only get what the wife & $$$$ allows

i agree 100% about the wife thing, the only good thing is i would be completely broke without her, with a av setup in everyroom of my house..lol

[Blindamood]

tommy v,

will the 1069 decode the hd formats via hdmi???
if not plan b. get the 1068 because of the anaolog inputs.
the price of the 1068 has dropped.

The price of the 1069 has dropped too...and even though it won't decode the new audio formats, it does still accept decoded PCM over one cable, instead of 6 or 8. And it has 4 HDMI inputs instead of one set of multi-channel analog inputs.

[june]

blindamood,

i think the new hd formats is the goal. i got the sound the best economical way possible. 6 wires vs. one didn't matter. i did think about going back to a yamaha receiver. but that didn't happen.

[Blindamood]

blindamood,

i think the new hd formats is the goal. i got the sound the best economical way possible. 6 wires vs. one didn't matter. i did think about going back to a yamaha receiver. but that didn't happen.

Yep, I understand. I had a 1068 too, and used a Zektor switcher so that I could get the new audio formats from my Sony BDP-S1, in addition to DVD-Audio/SACD from my Oppo. Your primary limitation when using the multi-channel analog inputs (aside from only one set of inputs) is how well your BD player does bass management. Some are better than others at this, but there are definitely more available these days that do fine (e.g., Sony BDP-S550).

[Gianluca]

No you can not get Lossless on the rsp1068, you will need the New 1570 But you have the PS3 the PS3 will not send a bitstream signal to the 1570 so you will not get the light shining on the display on the AVR, How you get Lossless from the PS3 is the PS3 will send a PCM signal trough HDMI and on the 1570 it will come up as PCM multichannel, All of the decoding is in the PS3 but the PS3 will not send a bitstream to your AVR so it can decode it and never will do bitstream in any update sorry to say.

Hope this helps

Correction HDBLU is correct for now...bitstreaming is not supported for the moment

https://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html

explains all the above in detail

Gianluca