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  • tboooe
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 657

    #1

    P2 Preamp??

    Can anyone verify that Parasound is working on a P2 preamp? If they are, how will it be different from the P3??
  • Zoran
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2005
    • 113

    #2
    If my info correct (belive so - directly from Parasound CEO Richard Shram), no anything like P2 in building proccess. You're probably thinking about JC-2, big flagship preamp, mate for JC-1 monos...

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    • tboooe
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2005
      • 657

      #3
      Zoran, can you tell me more about the JC-2? When is it expected to be completed? Will it more of a 2Ch or HT preamp?

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      • Zoran
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2005
        • 113

        #4
        Certainly the JC-2 is two-channel pre. It’s very hard to get any exact info - we have to understand, this is probably still a lab job. Will be designed/executed by John Curl, the guru, and his fellows of CTC builders (Bob Crump, Carl Thompson) - I would guess the JC-2 may be slightly scalled-down version of their absolute top-predator preamp Blowtorch (15-20k). Mr Shram told me that JC-2 should be one of the finest stereo preamps available today, on reasonable price, but technical overkill and overpriced for A21. Mate for big JC-1 monoblocs only.

        Just try Googling a bit, maybe some new info unveiled. I remembered a few similar questions/threads related the JC-2 on other forums - Audiogon, if memory serves me well...

        Zoran, Macedonia

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        • bhuskins
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2003
          • 504

          #5
          The P2 is supposed to hit the market this fall.

          Well see...

          Brent Huskins
          Media Design
          HTGuide Sponsor

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          • bhuskins
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2003
            • 504

            #6
            Oh, and the P2 has dual 7.1 inputs (balanced and unbalanced) and 7.1 outputs for a true analog only multi-channel preamp without any A/D or D/A conversion. It is also noted to have 110 db of channel separation which is a first in the industry for all 7.1 channels.



            Brent Huskins
            Media Design
            HTGuide Sponsor

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            • Greg Johnson
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2003
              • 23

              #7
              I'm confused as to how Parasound intends one to use the P2. From the little info I've been able to get there isn't a set of 7.1 HT bypass inputs on the P2.
              Is the P2 intended to be used for a stand alone multi-channel music system?? If so, who is going to buy this thing? I just can't see that many people setting up a seperate system to play SACD and DVD-A discs.
              If the P2 had a set of HT bypass inputs ala the Sony ES P9000 I would buy it in a heartbeat.

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              • bhuskins
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2003
                • 504

                #8
                It doesn't have 1, it has 2 independent 7.1 inputs (or HT bypasses as you call them.) This piece is designed for home theater and multichannel surround music where an excellent DVD/DVD-A/SACD with built in DACs is already available. That's where Parasound's new Universal Player showing in 2 weeks at CEDIA comes to play. The P2 and new Universal player should make an excellent (and elegant) solution for home theater and multichannel music.

                Brent Huskins
                Media Design
                HTGuide Sponsor

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                • Peter Nielsen
                  Super Senior Member
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 1188

                  #9
                  Brent,

                  Does the P2 have any balanced stereo inputs in addition to the two 7.1s?

                  Peter

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                  • bhuskins
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 504

                    #10
                    not sure...

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                    • Peter Nielsen
                      Super Senior Member
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 1188

                      #11
                      Hmmm... If going with a Halo DVD + P2 combo, would that be the same as running the DVD + C2 in "Direct" mode all the time, or will the DVD have built-in DPLII and THX processing?

                      Peter

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                      • bhuskins
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 504

                        #12
                        That's my assumption but we'll have to see in a week.

                        Brent Huskins
                        Media Design
                        HTGuide Forum

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                        • jkscherk
                          Junior Member
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 28

                          #13
                          How would using the upcoming Halo Universal with the P2 be any different than using the 7.1 analog bypass on the C1/C2? From what is sounds like, it would only be in specs....e.g. the 110db of channel separation on the P2??

                          John

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                          • Peter Nielsen
                            Super Senior Member
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 1188

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jkscherk
                            How would using the upcoming Halo Universal with the P2 be any different than using the 7.1 analog bypass on the C1/C2? From what is sounds like, it would only be in specs....e.g. the 110db of channel separation on the P2??
                            I would assume the P2 offers balanced (XLR) inputs for its 7.1 inputs...

                            Peter

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                            • Peter Nielsen
                              Super Senior Member
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 1188

                              #15
                              Originally posted by bhuskins
                              That's my assumption but we'll have to see in a week
                              Brent,

                              Is there a "trend" towards moving the processing into the DVD? I love the thought of a top-notch analog preamp and keeping the processing in the DVD. However, I would hate to invest in a P2 now, only to find out that 2-3 years from now, I would need to get a processor if I want to upgrade the player because no DVD has built-in processing...

                              Peter

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                              • bhuskins
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 504

                                #16
                                This is a fairly new concept really. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Whether the DVD is upgradeable, etc.

                                Brent Huskins
                                Media Design
                                HTGuide Sponsor

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                                • jprafter
                                  Member
                                  • Jan 2005
                                  • 92

                                  #17
                                  Back to the earlier post that referenced bypass on the Sony TA-P9000ES...

                                  The bypass he is referring to relates to being able to daisy chain the P9000ES with your main control preamp. This allows them to share your amplifiers. Basically when not using the P9000ES the signal is passed through it (bypass) from the control preamp to the amplifiers. This was a requirement for SACD or DVD-A with the TA-E9000ES control preamp as it had no analog multi channel input nor was i.link available.

                                  I have the P9000ES, as with the P2, it also has two sets of analog multi channel inputs and two sets of stereo inputs.

                                  I currently have my SACD, DVD-A/DVD and HTPC connected through the P9000ES. Since the C2 has the analog multi channel input, I did not need the pass thru capability of the P9000ES. Therefore I was able to use the pass thru inputs for one additional multi channel device. This third input can not be controlled by the P9000ES sonically, however, it was useful for the analog multi channel HTPC output which can be controlled sonically by the Sound Blaster software on the PC.

                                  I would be very interested if anyone has any additional information on the P2 such as diagrams or pics of the back or a reference manual.
                                  Parasound C2, A51, A21, T3, A23(x3)
                                  Onkyo TX-SR805
                                  Paradigm Signature S8, C5, S4, S2(x2), ADP
                                  Velodyne HGS-15X, SMS-1
                                  Sony PS3
                                  DirecTV HR20
                                  SONOS
                                  Harmony 1000

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                                  • Chris D
                                    Ultra Senior Member
                                    • Dec 2000
                                    • 16875

                                    #18
                                    The P2 does seem interesting, although not right for any of my applications personally. This is the first I've heard of a "JC-2" rumor.
                                    Last edited by Chris D; 23 September 2005, 22:51 Friday.
                                    CHRIS

                                    Well, we're safe for now. Thank goodness we're in a bowling alley.
                                    - Pleasantville

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                                    • bhuskins
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Aug 2003
                                      • 504

                                      #19
                                      Remember that the JC2 is different than the P2 (likely will end up as the P7 which makes more sense.) The JC2 is designed by CTC builders, Curl and Crump, etc. and the P2/P7 is designed by another person (whose name I'll reserve at this time) who happens to be equally brilliant. The JC2 will be a 2 channel beast and the P7 will be a new twist on multichannel surround.

                                      Brent Huskins
                                      Media Design
                                      HTGuide Sponsor

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                                      • Chris D
                                        Ultra Senior Member
                                        • Dec 2000
                                        • 16875

                                        #20
                                        Oh, so you've heard the "JC-2" talk as well, Brent! Good deal, since you're very much in the know.

                                        Well, I could see the name of the multi-channel unit going either way... it's a step up from the P3, so P2 might make sense. It's a 7-channel unit, so P7 might make sense. Or if you go with the same sort of monikers as the amps, if it was a 7-channel unit, in the "2" grade category, (like C2, A52) it could be the "P72". Whatever.

                                        An exotic 2-channel pre-pro would make sense labeled as something like "JC-2". Something acknowledging John Curl.
                                        CHRIS

                                        Well, we're safe for now. Thank goodness we're in a bowling alley.
                                        - Pleasantville

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                                        • bhuskins
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Aug 2003
                                          • 504

                                          #21
                                          The P2/7 and JC2 only scratch at the surface of what I know... :B :B :B

                                          Brent Huskins
                                          Media Design
                                          HTGuide Sponsor

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                                          • jprafter
                                            Member
                                            • Jan 2005
                                            • 92

                                            #22
                                            Link http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/article_456.shtml
                                            shows the P2 front and rear and was dated January 15. Does anyone have any idea if this product is ever really going to be released?
                                            Parasound C2, A51, A21, T3, A23(x3)
                                            Onkyo TX-SR805
                                            Paradigm Signature S8, C5, S4, S2(x2), ADP
                                            Velodyne HGS-15X, SMS-1
                                            Sony PS3
                                            DirecTV HR20
                                            SONOS
                                            Harmony 1000

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                                            • slayer
                                              Senior Member
                                              • Dec 2005
                                              • 216

                                              #23
                                              I saw the unit at CES last year, the picture is of the same show I saw it at. The guy I talked to about it didn't seem to know much about when it would be released. They didn't really have any interest in talking about the Halo line and where it's going. So I didn't get any real info on it. I ended up checking out the 7100 more as it was about to be released and they were hot and heavy to talk about that one.
                                              Parasound Halo C2
                                              Earthquake Cinenova Grande (5ch amp)
                                              Crown X1000 (2ch amp)
                                              Oppo BDP103
                                              Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista 21 Tube DAC
                                              Xbox One
                                              Monster Cable Signiture Series HTPS 7000
                                              Panasonic 60" ST Series Plasma
                                              BenQ HT1075 projector w/ 92" Dragonfly screen
                                              Energy Veritas 2.2i fronts
                                              Energy Veritas 2.0i center
                                              CAT Tiburon series side surround
                                              Energy E-XL 15 rear surround
                                              Velodyne SMS-1
                                              Custom 15" sealed sub (Diamond Audio TDX15)

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                                              • Chris D
                                                Ultra Senior Member
                                                • Dec 2000
                                                • 16875

                                                #24
                                                Yes, that info is from CES 2005. Note that we are about a week away from CES 2006. We should have some current info updates very shortly, and see product releases any day now.
                                                CHRIS

                                                Well, we're safe for now. Thank goodness we're in a bowling alley.
                                                - Pleasantville

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                                                • slayer
                                                  Senior Member
                                                  • Dec 2005
                                                  • 216

                                                  #25
                                                  Anyone going? I'm sitting this year out. My business partner is though and he's going to get me pics and brochures and any related info about what's in the future for Parasound.
                                                  Parasound Halo C2
                                                  Earthquake Cinenova Grande (5ch amp)
                                                  Crown X1000 (2ch amp)
                                                  Oppo BDP103
                                                  Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista 21 Tube DAC
                                                  Xbox One
                                                  Monster Cable Signiture Series HTPS 7000
                                                  Panasonic 60" ST Series Plasma
                                                  BenQ HT1075 projector w/ 92" Dragonfly screen
                                                  Energy Veritas 2.2i fronts
                                                  Energy Veritas 2.0i center
                                                  CAT Tiburon series side surround
                                                  Energy E-XL 15 rear surround
                                                  Velodyne SMS-1
                                                  Custom 15" sealed sub (Diamond Audio TDX15)

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                                                  • Chris D
                                                    Ultra Senior Member
                                                    • Dec 2000
                                                    • 16875

                                                    #26
                                                    I want to, but I'll probably be flying. Never actually been to a CES/CEDIA.
                                                    CHRIS

                                                    Well, we're safe for now. Thank goodness we're in a bowling alley.
                                                    - Pleasantville

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