Originally posted by 1oldguy
HTM2D, HTM1D or 802D as centre?
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Hy Lucien,
high end have devil inside , no ending.....
You have decide for a extra 802d..... ok, sure a great choice....but the S1200 as be too ordered!!!! Wow, great :T
what for rack you have buyed? a full stand to place all your "units" like in a
"computer racks or the new Classe CT linie?
Send me a mail (PM )
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Originally posted by style...
what for rack you have buyed? a full stand to place all your "units" like in a
"computer racks or the new Classe CT linie?
Send me a mail (PM )
greeting Omar
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you will have a stiff neck of looking up to the screen.Marantz SA-11S2 -> Cardas Golden Presence -> Classe CP-500 -> Cardas Quadlink -> CA-2200 -> Cardas Quadlink -> B&W 802d- Bottom
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Originally posted by ray5Very nice!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by vinylmeisteryou will have a stiff neck of looking up to the screen.- Bottom
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ShadowZA, you need a bigger TV!! That set looks small compared to the speakers. I think adding the 802D for the center, which is very cool by the way, really makes it look smaller than it is. I don't remember it looking like that before in the older pictures.
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Originally posted by styleHi Lucien,
great work.
well with a distance from 13,5feet from the plasma (around 4,44meter) is ok :T
but with a 60" and 10,5feet my plasma is at 90cm., higher I don't like.....
now the s1200 :W
greetings Omar
Originally posted by hifyguymiShadowZA, you need a bigger TV!! That set looks small compared to the speakers. I think adding the 802D for the center, which is very cool by the way, really makes it look smaller than it is. I don't remember it looking like that before in the older pictures.
Eric
Originally posted by ninja12Very nice. I like it. :T- Bottom
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Images like these really put into perspective the size of the 802D. When I see them in photos normally, I think - no problem they'll fit nicely in my room. Then I see them in person and photos like these, and wow - they're pretty big. Great photos and nice setup. Thanks for posting.- Bottom
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Originally posted by boarder1995Images like these really put into perspective the size of the 802D. When I see them in photos normally, I think - no problem they'll fit nicely in my room. Then I see them in person and photos like these, and wow - they're pretty big. Great photos and nice setup. Thanks for posting.- Bottom
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Originally posted by ShadowZAHere's a different perspective:
Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by wettouNice I have the same three 802D in front and I love it my screen is just a touch larger 10 feet wide 2:35 Stewart FilmScreen FireHawk G3 illuminated by JVC RS-2 and fed by the Oppo BDP-83 :T
A quick question ... regarding your 802D centre, do you leave the plastic midrange cover on or off? I find that if I take it off, the yellow color of the midrange can be a bit of a distraction to other viewers. Does not bother me though, in fact I do prefer the cover off.- Bottom
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Looks great! That is part of the reason I sold my NHTM1. For the $1600 for the HTM1 you could buy a single N802 for a few hundred more. Id love to have a 3rd. Always keeping an eye out for a single in cherry. Ive seen a single black and single red cherry for sale, but no natural.
Question, how far apart are the L and R 802?B&W- Bottom
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Originally posted by Race Car DriverLooks great! That is part of the reason I sold my NHTM1. For the $1600 for the HTM1 you could buy a single N802 for a few hundred more. Id love to have a 3rd. Always keeping an eye out for a single in cherry. Ive seen a single black and single red cherry for sale, but no natural.
Question, how far apart are the L and R 802?
Already the sound I'm getting appears to be very coherent, balanced and uniform accross the front end (compared to how it was before) ... I've only watched Transformers 1 & Diana Krall - Live in Rio on Blu plus a handfull of redbook CD's. With regard to 2-channel CD listening, I'm finding that NOT having the centre rack seems to have uncluttered the sound. It's still early days and the setup is not finalized but there is an improvement.- Bottom
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Three 802D's look so cool. But my concern is will the center 802D mess up the stereo image when playing 2 channel music since it is the same height with the left and right ones?
I have a pair 802D's for the front too but I still use HTM1 for center for now.- Bottom
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Originally posted by vn1Three 802D's look so cool. But my concern is will the center 802D mess up the stereo image when playing 2 channel music since it is the same height with the left and right ones?
I have a pair 802D's for the front too but I still use HTM1 for center for now.- Bottom
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The racks arrived today. Enabled me to neaten things up a bit.
Gaining access to equipment connections behind the main rack is now easier than before. Gliding out the right front 802D is all that it takes. Still awaiting the S-1200 processor. Maybe early in the new year.
Right now it's time to kick those legs back and make sure to pig out on some great music & not the food.- Bottom
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Originally posted by ShadowZAThe racks arrived today. Enabled me to neaten things up a bit.
Gaining access to equipment connections behind the main rack is now easier than before. Gliding out the right front 802D is all that it takes. Still awaiting the S-1200 processor. Maybe early in the new year.
Right now it's time to kick those legs back and make sure to pig out on some great music & not the food.
Cool, very nice picture nice rackFarming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Thanks wildmda & wettou.
I bought the rack from "Soundtructures", a South African supplier based in Johannesburg. The owner, Hein, told me that he does export. My two racks arrived at my door extremely well crated. The amp rack was securely bolted to the wooden box within which it was transported. The large vertical rack was well secured within a well constructed wooden box.
I am extremely happy and satisfied with the racks. Solidly built, beautiful pieces of furniture imho.
Here's the website: http://www.soundstructures.co.za
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I say run a ghost center by folding the center channel into your mains, then lower your screen to the proper height and get a second DD15. Unless you have people sitting at the extremities of your room, the stereo effect from your mains will provide a much more realistic soundstage than a center channel. The second sub will add headroom and lower the floor of your system response. Also, proper alignment of your display with your soundstage will make for a much more realistic presentation - not to mention the comfort factor of looking straight ahead rather than up.
Just my humble opinion.
EDIT: Whoops... apparently I missed page 2 of this thread long ago... :lol:~Nick- Bottom
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Nick, I share your belief in the benefits of a 2nd matched sub (drool factor kicks in about now ). I was most nervous about the monitor height. It's not the most satisfactory positioning but so far does not seem to be a problem. Space is limited - main rack (officially called a "Soundstructure" as Hein puts it :T ) is very close to the right front 802D but the sound is a step up to what it was before in terms of a matched front end. My previous rack seemed to induce a mild clogged-up (lacking spaciousness) type effect noticeable especially during 2-channel listening (plus I was always bumping my head on the plasma when trying to tweak the equipment wiring).
Omar, it is huge. It is heavy but I love it! Crated, it weighed 128Kg - I would estimate its separate weight to be around 110Kg. Yes, the "little" KAV-2250 looks out of place while I wait to order the 403 (which I hope to order as soon as I've had the S-1200 for about a month or so). Things are dragging a bit. Have ordered the S-1200 already. Waiting at this time.- Bottom
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Hi Lucien,
from your photos and the catalog of the difference is great-very big and notable (for the better for what your picture shows)
legs are empty? Has to be you (but useful?) put sand in my legs for the sound?
always very close to the right speaker ... but a picture does not dive if affects the sound ..
sure that if you purchase 60" will have trouble! too high! (For my taste)
when I changed af 50" with 60" the difference was really before the eyes....
a projector with the screen down in front of the 802D (Cenral) could be another solution if you have enough space .. (Projector 3 - 4 meters - Full HD - 75-inch screen of approximately , covers the central 802D is not so good solution, maybe it's better to have a screen 60 to 65 inches I think there are many advantages VS. projector if you do not have enough space and also better quality, especially during the day! (on a new fullhHD and a hook for the wall snodablie....
I bought a rack "Spectral" to put the htm2d - in reading and sources close to the floor the last shelf ClasseAudio ssp800 & ca5200 (where you put the Kav3250)
legs were filled with sand for Sounio, even though I have not heard ....
should get another piece to put other electronics: a new CD player (only for music), a 2-channel/stereo Classe power-ampli.. and most likely a turntable Mitchell
and next piece
(black glass and alu legs as the substrate in the living room)
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I have already noticed a definite improvement in 2 channel sound and I have not even received the new processor yet. I'm ignoring the obvious improvement noticed during multi-channel sound as a direct result of the 802D centre. There are 2 main reasons for this imho:
1. The replacement and re-positioning of the rack and
2. The upgrading of my interconnects to Kingcats from Catcables (big thanks to Doug).
With the centre rack I had, there was a certain muffled scenario going on. Sound felt boxed in and there was a destinct feel of directionality that the sound eminated from the speakers (which of course it was ... but you know what I mean). Now all this clogging is gone. Purity and 3-dimensionality remain. No more directionality. The sound hovers upon a wide, deep stage directly in front of me. In addition to this there is a tinge more airyness and detail which I've noticed coming through, especially on the female vocal smooth jazz which I like. It's goosebump-producing and I love it! Is this the Kingcats? I think so.
A little bit more on the "Soundstructure" ... the rack. It is extremely solidly constructed and the equipment is much more isolated and stable than before imho.
Omar, that looks like an amazing rack. The sand should induce significant stability and help in vibration reduction.
I have given the idea of a projector a miss for the time being. Main reason for this is that too much light enters the room. Of course ... there is always the notion of a projector + monitor.
You could be right about a 60" creating a height problem. When and if this happens I have considered creating an "indent" in the floor to lower the centre 802D say by an inch or two. Am I crazy? Probably! See what this hobby induces us to do.
I wholeheartedly support your plan to acquire a dedicated CD player void of any video-electronics. The less audio interferences there are, the better imho.- Bottom
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An update:
My processor (Krell S-1200) arrived today ... but ... it flatlined on me during the setup procedure and so I did not get a chance to listen to it. Oh well. :cry: My supplier will be popping in tomorrow to see if there is anything that can be done. My feel is that it will most likely be sent back as I've tried to do what I can but with no luck.
Well ... updated news is that the Krell agent in South Africa has already been in communication with the Krell guys in the States and it appears that it is known what the problem might be. This will be checked when my unit is collected tomorrow. At this time, it's all hands on deck. I'm being well looked after.- Bottom
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Originally posted by ShadowZAWork in progress.
802D Centre touched down this afternoon and is safely in the hangar.
I refuse to tip-toe through life only to arrive safely at death...
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Thanks Omar, Relentless. The plan is to "embed" the processor into the system for about a month or so. Once this is done, the final phase is to place an order for the EVO 403 ... or EVO 403e. Here's the latest from Krell:
January 7, 2010
Krell Industries Goes Green In New Evolution e Series Amplifiers
By Gary Reber
Krell Industries, LLC, the leader in high performance music and home theater systems has announced a substantial upgrade to the Evolution lineup of amplifiers. The new enhanced, Evolution e Series, delivers greater fidelity while at the same time reducing its carbon footprint.
Redefined Power Supply
An intense upgrade to the power supply includes a new separate toroidal transformer for the digital control circuitry, improved EMI suppression of high frequency artifacts, and a substantial increase in capacitive power supply reserve. A new green mode reduces the standby power draw dramatically. As an example, the Evolution 402e power draw drops from 370W to 2W – a reduction of 99.5%. The new standby mode is user selectable and turns off all non critical circuitry. The power indicator ring glows green in the new mode. The standard standby mode, which keeps all but the output stages active, is still available and indicated by a red ring on the power indicator.
Sound Enhancements
The audio circuitry has also received enhancements in the new Evolution e Series. Building on the unique Active Cascode Topology foundation of the Evolution Series, the e Series amplifiers feature more precisely balanced current sharing among the seven sets of Active Cascode Quartets that make up the output stage. This greater precision elevates an already impressive performance envelope and provides greater amplifier reliability. A new feedback implementation delivers improved dynamic performance.
“It is exciting to bring environmentally friendly operation to our customers without asking them to sacrifice performance.” Said Bill McKiegan, Vice President, USA Sales and Marketing. “We actually have added performance to an already award winning design. It is truly the best of both worlds.”
The Evolution e Series includes three mono amplifiers - the Evolution 400e, 600e, and 900e, two stereo amplifiers - the Evolution 302e and 402e, and a three channel amplifier – the Evolution 403e. Shipments of the new amplifiers begin in March
Estimated Retail Prices:
Mono amplifiers – Evolution 400e - $23,000/pr, Evolution 600e - $37,000/pr, Evolution 900e - $50,000/pr
Stereo amplifiers - Evolution 302e - $12,500, Evolution 402e - $18,500
Three Channel Amplifier – Evolution 403e - $25,000
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Originally posted by ShadowZAEstimated Retail Prices:
Mono amplifiers – Evolution 400e - $23,000/pr, Evolution 600e - $37,000/pr, Evolution 900e - $50,000/pr
Stereo amplifiers - Evolution 302e - $12,500, Evolution 402e - $18,500
Three Channel Amplifier – Evolution 403e - $25,000
Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Lucien you can make a test Krell EVO vs. Emotiva :B
A Krell Evo302 will be enogh for me :T
and the price will be more "human" vs. the Evo 400 and big brothers! :T
my only question is if Krell (D'Agostino) can give the event. replace part for the power ampli.
from what is was he have $$$$$ problem! and buy a 3k $$ / €. ... and in 1 year no more spare parts available :evil: : this is a point pro ClasseAudio!
with the power ampli the risk is little but with the pre/pro or the cd player can be a big problem!
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Omar, you've raised a very pragmatic and valid point. There is risk. Real risk. I believe that you are correct in saying that this "going concern" risk lies more with Krell than Classe. It's a tough choice.
I wish That I could do an A/B test between Emotiva & Krell. Unfortunately, it is impossible to do that here.- Bottom
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Originally posted by wettouOuch at these prices I will pass especially since they look like EMOTIVA :E
I like you set up Shadow :TLast edited by Relentless; 07 April 2010, 13:18 Wednesday.I refuse to tip-toe through life only to arrive safely at death...
Lou- Bottom
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Originally posted by stylemy only question is if Krell (D'Agostino) can give the event. replace part for the power ampli.
from what is was he have $$$$$ problem! and buy a 3k $$ / €. ... and in 1 year no more spare parts available :evil: : this is a point pro ClasseAudio!
with the power ampli the risk is little but with the pre/pro or the cd player can be a big problem!
StyleI refuse to tip-toe through life only to arrive safely at death...
Lou- Bottom
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The effortless, incredible, beautiful Krell Evolution 403e is in the house & this signals the completion of the major hardware upgrade. I'm doing very little now other than feed the ears
I've posted a pic in the "Pictures of your B&W Set-up" thread, here: http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthr...184#post507184 (post 3354)- Bottom
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