New B&W serie 800 !!!

[Nolan B]

i for one will be very disappointed if new finishes are not offered. I can see why it would be great to offer the originals, but if you are going to charge top of the line prices you better be sure you have design options to meet a wide variety of spaces. IMO the current selection fits only a few style options.

[planitismetal]

i for one will be very disappointed if new finishes are not offered. I can see why it would be great to offer the originals, but if you are going to charge top of the line prices you better be sure you have design options to meet a wide variety of spaces. IMO the current selection fits only a few style options.

+1000!!!

[pazu]

Hi!

Rumors tells next 800 series' diamond tweeter will get a new, special mundorf oil-paper capacity.

Does someone know something about this innovation?

h:

[audiofiel10]

Hi!

Rumors tells next 800 series' diamond tweeter will get a new, special mundorf oil-paper capacity.

Does someone know something about this innovation?

h:

A special WHAAAATTTTTTTTTTT??????

[pazu]

A special WHAAAATTTTTTTTTTT??????

Oh, sorry!

ops:

A new, special mundorf oil impregnated paper dielectric capacitor.

:T

[TacoD]

Mundorf makes various types of silver/ gold oil caps. Don't think they make a special version just for B&W

[KODG MAN]

new not new really!!!

Hallo,
I spoked with B&W/Classe Switzerland about a pair of 802d but with big surprise .....well in 2010 with come out with the complety NEW series from the Nautilus line!!

New electronics inside, new design, new ALL!!!!

Wait and buy a 802 or big with a good price? or the newcomer will be so amazing that the "old" Nautilus don't can is at the same level?
What is sure the new B&W are in test "at home from B&W", sure that the price go up. :cry:

I have a 803D and I have a 802D in my head for the front and go with the 803 to the rear but now???

at the cedia a brocoure will be available and in the second half from the 2010 we go see.......

Style

WHAT IS HAPPING WITH THE 800 SERIES IS THAT THEY ARE JUST ELIMINATING all the S models from the 800 series!!

THE NEW LINE-UP WILL BE:
800d, 801d, 802d, 803d, 804d, 805d *so don't worry it is not like the nautilus to the D's..

It makes sense the 800 series will be all diamond & the tonality will be the same for the whole 800 series line. No new make over just all models will be D's.

Of couse the price will go way up on the 804s to the 804ds & the 805s to the 805ds. BYE BYE 803S, 804S, 805S SO IF YOU LIKE THOSE MODELS THE PRICES SHOULD GET BETTER & BETTER AS B&W SELLS OUT OF THEIR STOCK ON THOSE SPEAKERS.

With B&W dis-continuing the 700 series they will probably come out with like a 750 series with all aluminum tweeters. Like I said it makes sense it is kinda dis-organized having Daimond & Aluminium tweeters in the same series.

SINCERELY,
KODG

[pazu]

Mundorf makes various types of silver/ gold oil caps. Don't think they make a special version just for B&W

Why not?

In my opinion, it's possible that there will be a new, exlusive capacitor for the diamond tweeter.

Don't you know that B&W aquired the brand Mundorf from long time?

This is it.

[pazu]

THE NEW LINE-UP WILL BE:

800d, 801d, 802d, 803d, 804d, 805d *so don't worry it is not like the nautilus to the D's..

SINCERELY,
KODG

Kodg, some italian rumors tell that there'll be not the 801D model. Maybe it could come back just some time after the new series.

I hope it's not true. We'll see!

[Hammie]

WHAT IS HAPPING WITH THE 800 SERIES IS THAT THEY ARE JUST ELIMINATING all the S models from the 800 series!!

THE NEW LINE-UP WILL BE:
800d, 801d, 802d, 803d, 804d, 805d *so don't worry it is not like the nautilus to the D's..

It makes sense the 800 series will be all diamond & the tonality will be the same for the whole 800 series line. No new make over just all models will be D's.

Of couse the price will go way up on the 804s to the 804ds & the 805s to the 805ds. BYE BYE 803S, 804S, 805S SO IF YOU LIKE THOSE MODELS THE PRICES SHOULD GET BETTER & BETTER AS B&W SELLS OUT OF THEIR STOCK ON THOSE SPEAKERS.

With B&W dis-continuing the 700 series they will probably come out with like a 750 series with all aluminum tweeters. Like I said it makes sense it is kinda dis-organized having Daimond & Aluminium tweeters in the same series.

SINCERELY,
KODG

I've been told that there will be no 801D and HTM1D. The centers will be downsized to only the HTM2D and a new HTM4D.

Additionally, they will all be getting crossover overhauls with bigger and better caps.

Current D models will be getting a $1K USD price increase while the 804D and 805D will be getting a $2K USD price increase.

They will be announced at CES in January. Availability should be by March.

This has all been through a very credible source. So, get the current models while you can.

[Antus]

I've been told that there will be no 801D and HTM1D. The centers will be downsized to only the HTM2D and a new HTM4D.

Additionally, they will all be getting crossover overhauls with bigger and better caps.

Current D models will be getting a $1K USD price increase while the 804D and 805D will be getting a $2K USD price increase.

They will be announced at CES in January. Availability should be by March.

This has all been through a very credible source. So, get the current models while you can.

while i can understand the elimination of HTM1D, I don't think 801D will be discountinued. 801 has a long tradition for B&W and is an iconic speaker for B&W for a very long time.
with that said, the current HTM1D is a bit awkard looking in my opinion. It a bit too tall for a center speaker. I think the perfect center would be a Marlin center in the middle and two 10inch woofer on both side (instead of 3, 7inch at the bottom) In this case, it would be a perfect match for 800D and 801D.

[HDBLU]

Is there any Pictures of the new 800 series.

[pazu]

I've been told that there will be no 801D and HTM1D. The centers will be downsized to only the HTM2D and a new HTM4D.

Additionally, they will all be getting crossover overhauls with bigger and better caps.

Current D models will be getting a $1K USD price increase while the 804D and 805D will be getting a $2K USD price increase.

They will be announced at CES in January. Availability should be by March.

This has all been through a very credible source. So, get the current models while you can.

I know the same thing too.

However, in accord with Antus, I think they will not delete the 801D definitively, but will introduce it next future.

[KyaDawn]

Even though my living room is way too small for the 801D, I've always appreciated its existence as it's such a beautifully designed speaker and iconic in so many ways ever since the "design" was first introduced with the Matrix series. I've demoed the 801D and even though you need quite a large room for them to execute properly, I think in certain environments, they give the 800D a run for it's money and for some types of music, i.e. live jazz, are an "improvement" over the 800D.

If they are discontinuing it in the near future, I hope they do bring out a new and improved model somewhere down the line.

[emig5m]

How I would design the new 805 and 804D

Since we're matching tweeters in the new 800 series I think they should also be more matched in the midrange. I also think the 804D should receive an additional woofer like the 803D has over the 803S. Here's my interpretation of the new 805 and 804D:




What do you guys think for the matching FST mids for small surrounds and bookshelf speakers? :T I think an extra bass driver in the 804 would help fill in where the 803S is going to leave open (and help justify the cost). 3 way bookshelf with a FST.....mmmm. 8)

[KyaDawn]

The 804D looks plausible, but man, that 805D looks ridiculous!!! :B

Great Photoshopping skills though and thanks for the laugh! :T

[Antus]

I don't think B&W will go that extreme. If they add another woofer to 804D, it will be too similier to 803D.
805D may grow a little in size, in order to give more bass output. however, will ramain 2 way, 2 driver i believe.

I always think FST is a great innovation until i heard the Signature Diamand. On Signature Diamand, it use 2 way traditional rubber surround and they sound beautiful. If not considering the lowest low frequency, I think it is a better and more musical speaker than 802D.

If the new 805D can have 90% of the performance of Signature Diamand for $5000, it will still a great buy.

[Mikael]

I also like the sound of the diamond signature. especially the full sound of the 7" midbass driver. So for me a new 805D with the same 7" midbass driver would be awesome. + the htm4D with the same driver as well. And if one should lake the lowest bass you could add a sub. just my 2 cents.

[style]

Hallo,
no thanks. at all.

So is comeback!!!
"the 805d" are the Kef refernce first edition! / with a Paradigm design inside....

the 804D how much are high???? if will be so what happen with the new 803D ?


Style

[wettou]

Is there any Pictures of the new 800 series.

CES 2010 we will see them live

[Audio_ElF]

Hallo,
no thanks. at all.

So is comeback!!!
"the 805d" are the Kef refernce first edition! / with a Paradigm design inside....

the 804D how much are high???? if will be so what happen with the new 803D ?


Style

Trolling for a response to a troll...

Very bad netiquette.

Eloise

[Hammie]

Trolling for a response to a troll...

Very bad netiquette.

Eloise

huh???

style and enig5m are not trolls. They are well respected members of the forum.

[style]

Hallo Audio_ElF,

Trolling for a response to a troll...

Very bad netiquette
Eloise

Sorry but I don't understand your response?!?!?!

what's trilling & netiquette?!? ops:

You think thath te pictures are veritable? Sorry but I found the 805D very bad if come out like the pictures....
what's happen?
and at now I "stupid"/ make no sense to make a castle in air for a speaker that "will be so and so".
stop the info and waiting the REALLY new modells. with the new really modell we can speak over this new linie!!!


Style

[Skyblue]

Hallo Audio_ElF,



Sorry but I don't understand your response?!?!?!

what's trilling & netiquette?!? ops:

You think thath te pictures are veritable? Sorry but I found the 805D very bad if come out like the pictures....
what's happen?
and at now I "stupid"/ make no sense to make a castle in air for a speaker that "will be so and so".
stop the info and waiting the REALLY new modells. with the new really modell we can speak over this new linie!!!


Style

I hardly understand what Style is writing But I don't think it was meant as trolling, but as a comment to the fabricated pictures. They are fun imo. but I don't hope that is the final look of the 805D either.

In any case, I'm looking forward to the new edition. Hopefully, they'll improve enough to justify the 40% or so increase in price. Especially if they are to compete with the Wilson Sasha and the likes...

[Audio_ElF]

huh???

style and enig5m are not trolls. They are well respected members of the forum.

My "troll" comment was in response to the statement ""the 805d" are the Kef refernce first edition! / with a Paradigm design inside...." Looked like a comment designed to illicit a response / rile the natives. To quote Wikipedea In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Netiquette just means good etiquette used on the internet.

I'm sorry if I've caused offense. I think I missed some smilies when I posted earlier.

As for the pictures (which I know are photoshop) and really this whole thread - I don't believe anything until a manufacturer has shown it at a public event. No real point speculating - they'll always be something new in the pipeline which MAY suit you better than the current offering, so buy what suits you best at the time and don't try to second guess. The current 800 series have been around 6/7 years (approx.) so on the previous lifetime of the N800 about due a revision ... but how big a revision is really anyone's guess. Any dealer who really knows anything will have signed non-disclosure agreements so is unlikely to comment with anything concrete.

Eloise

[Ken49r]

From the look of the new sub (DB18) I wonder if the new line of 800's won't change cosmetics as well. Lot's of heresay but no one actually knows for sure until they are unveiled.
This forum has been toying around with the new look of the 805D for the past two years. Soon the dream will become reality.

[KyaDawn]

In any case, I'm looking forward to the new edition. Hopefully, they'll improve enough to justify the 40% or so increase in price. Especially if they are to compete with the Wilson Sasha and the likes...

Only the "S-to-D" models will get anything close to a 40% price hike, which is not surprising considering they are going from aluminium to diamond tweeters.

The 802D, for example, is getting a price increase closer to 12%.

Funny you should mention the Sasha's though. Now that they have been out a few months, they are getting increasingly negative reviews from long-time Wilson owners, particularly in comparison to the WP8s, which they replaced.

Hopefully the new models, particularly the 800D and 802D, won't generate the same reaction from long-time B&W owners! :B

[Skyblue]

Only the "S-to-D" models will get anything close to a 40% price hike, which is not surprising considering they are going from aluminium to diamond tweeters.

The 802D, for example, is getting a price increase closer to 12%.

Funny you should mention the Sasha's though. Now that they have been out a few months, they are getting increasingly negative reviews from long-time Wilson owners, particularly in comparison to the WP8s, which they replaced.

Hopefully the new models, particularly the 800D and 802D, won't generate the same reaction from long-time B&W owners! :B

Didn't see that. I only saw the "fantastic" reviews..

In any case, the question just might be if I should buy before or after the revision. If its the same box with a price hike, perhaps before isn't such a bad idea after all.

[KyaDawn]

Didn't see that. I only saw the "fantastic" reviews..

That's why I generally don't trust advertising-driven media, too much gloss and hype. :B Check out the AudiogoN forum. There's a long thread about the Sasha full of disappointed reviews by Wilson owners.

In any case, the question just might be if I should buy before or after the revision. If its the same box with a price hike, perhaps before isn't such a bad idea after all.

The design isn't supposed to be different, but the crossovers are supposedly much improved, which of course, makes a big difference. Personally, I think my 802Ds would sound a lot closer to the 800D if B&W used similar quality caps. Have a listen for yourself though to see if it's worth the extra grand or two, depending on the model.

[dan87951]

I really hope B&W hasn't forgotten its core business model that made the so popular which is quality and outstanding sound. All this talk of making 800 series speakers in China and out of aluminum is making me think its time to pass on this next "upgrade". Sounds like to me the current diamond/nautilus line will be a better built unit!

[garak]

The design isn't supposed to be different, but the crossovers are supposedly much improved, which of course, makes a big difference. Personally, I think my 802Ds would sound a lot closer to the 800D if B&W used similar quality caps. Have a listen for yourself though to see if it's worth the extra grand or two, depending on the model.

I was told by my dealer that the caps will be new, and supposedly better as well. So let's hope the new 802Ds sound much like the outgoing 800Ds. :T

[garak]

I really hope B&W hasn't forgotten its core business model that made the so popular which is quality and outstanding sound. All this talk of making 800 series speakers in China and out of aluminum is making me think its time to pass on this next "upgrade". Sounds like to me the current diamond/nautilus line will be a better built unit!

All indications are that the 800 series cabinets will still be wood, and the design will likely be the same.

I think originally the thought of moving production to China and switching to aluminum was because the plant in Denmark, where the 800 series was manufactured, could not keep up with demand. The reason was the labor laws were so restrictive in Denmark that the plant could only run 2 shifts per day. However, 3 shifts per day were needed to keep up with demand.

Instead, B&W has moved the plant to England, where the labor laws will allow 3 shifts per day. So now the cabinet production of the 800 series should be able to keep up with demand.

[wettou]

I really hope B&W hasn't forgotten its core business model that made the so popular which is quality and outstanding sound. All this talk of making 800 series speakers in China and out of aluminum is making me think its time to pass on this next "upgrade". Sounds like to me the current diamond/nautilus line will be a better built unit!

If they do like Wilson Benesh (Steel and Carbon) and make the enclosure out of Aircraft Grade Aluminum that would be really cool :T

[aquaanox]

All indications are that the 800 series cabinets will still be wood, and the design will likely be the same.

I think originally the thought of moving production to China and switching to aluminum was because the plant in Denmark, where the 800 series was manufactured, could not keep up with demand. The reason was the labor laws were so restrictive in Denmark that the plant could only run 2 shifts per day. However, 3 shifts per day were needed to keep up with demand.

Instead, B&W has moved the plant to England, where the labor laws will allow 3 shifts per day. So now the cabinet production of the 800 series should be able to keep up with demand.

I hope you are right, thats very good news and will keep me in the B&W market next year. Otherwise i keep my 804s foreva

[style]

Halo Brian,

a new 802d is on the air???

I like very well this speaker, you know....

a 802D the actual or the "new" model will be no bad ops: a 802D to actual or a "new 802D" will be very appreciated especially with the 803d as rear!!

Omar

[garak]

Halo Brian,

a new 802d is on the air???

I like very well this speaker, you know....

a 802D the actual or the "new" model will be no bad ops: a 802D to actual or a "new 802D" will be very appreciated especially with the 803d as rear!!

Omar

Hi Omar,

I think I will wait for the new 802s, and maybe get them in about 6-8 months.

What about you?

Brian

[style]

Hi Brian,

The new serie 8 (well the 802D for me&you) are only words, when we will see will be all easier ..

the current 802D are in any way a good investment.
The new series will have new colors, pieces of steel / alu here and there ... but the substance remains the same: a great speaker.
If the new 802d will be avialable in a little time (6 months ca.) make sense waiting if is not so I go see....

I'm curious to see the 805D and 804D, may be a big surprise.

New speakers and new powerampli (cam400?)will be the best.....


Omar

[Antus]

i think there are room for improvement in the current lineup of 800 series. Top of the line 800D use mixure of MCap Spereme and gold/silver for mid range and silver/gold for tweeter. It is also not true first order filter on midrange. I believe if B&W upgrade/redesign the crossover, it will sound better.

On the 802D, it feels like B&W handicapped the mid range on purpose in order to separate it from 800D. It use regular cheap MCap on the most important high pass mid woofer. I would think huge improvement can be gained if B&W replace it with MCap Spereme or even silver/gold version of MCap.

[Ken49r]

The new series will have new colors, pieces of steel / alu here and there ... but the substance remains the same: a great speaker.

I spoked with B&W/Classe Switzerland about a pair of 802d but with big surprise .....well in 2010 with come out with the complety NEW series from the Nautilus line!! New electronics inside, new design, new ALL!!!! Wait and buy a 802 or big with a good price? or the newcomer will be so amazing that the "old" Nautilus don't can is at the same level?

Style, you have me on the edge of my seat wanting to see & hear the new 800 series.

I do hope B&W has something to show us at CES next month. ;x(

[garak]

Hi Brian,

The new serie 8 (well the 802D for me&you) are only words, when we will see will be all easier ..

the current 802D are in any way a good investment.
The new series will have new colors, pieces of steel / alu here and there ... but the substance remains the same: a great speaker.
If the new 802d will be avialable in a little time (6 months ca.) make sense waiting if is not so I go see....

I'm curious to see the 805D and 804D, may be a big surprise.

New speakers and new powerampli (cam400?)will be the best.....


Omar

Hi Omar,

Ok, I lied, when I said I may wait 6-8 months to get the new 802Ds, I really meant I would actually wait until today. ops:

Anyway, I've got some news that is relevant to others here interested in the new 802Ds. My dealer has a customer appreciation sale for 1 day per year, which happened to be today, so I went to the store tonight. He informed me that there will be a limited number of the new 802Ds and one other 800 series model (I couldn't get the information about which other model that would be) available in January.

So, today being the customer appreciation sale, my dealer had a price on the new 802Ds that I couldn't refuse, so I should hopeully have the new 802Ds in January (presumably shortly after CES).

So if anyone here is interested in getting the new 800 series sooner rather than later, I would suggest talking to your dealer quickly.

[KyaDawn]

Hi Omar,

Ok, I lied, when I said I may wait 6-8 months to get the new 802Ds, I really meant I would actually wait until today. ops:

Anyway, I've got some news that is relevant to others here interested in the new 802Ds. My dealer has a customer appreciation sale for 1 day per year, which happened to be today, so I went to the store tonight. He informed me that there will be a limited number of the new 802Ds and one other 800 series model (I couldn't get the information about which other model that would be) available in January.

So, today being the customer appreciation sale, my dealer had a price on the new 802Ds that I couldn't refuse, so I should hopeully have the new 802Ds in January (presumably shortly after CES).

So if anyone here is interested in getting the new 800 series sooner rather than later, I would suggest talking to your dealer quickly.

Congratulations on your new 802Ds! :T I'm sure you're going to be very pleased with them!

I'm certainly happy with mine, and even when I bought mine this year, I knew the current 800 series was near the end of its life-cycle, which didn't bother me one bit. I loved the sound of the current 802D during my demos, so for me, that's all that counts.

[style]

Originally Posted by garak
Hi Omar,

Ok, I lied, when I said I may wait 6-8 months to get the new 802Ds, I really meant I would actually wait until today.

Anyway, I've got some news that is relevant to others here interested in the new 802Ds. My dealer has a customer appreciation sale for 1 day per year, which happened to be today, so I went to the store tonight. He informed me that there will be a limited number of the new 802Ds and one other 800 series model (I couldn't get the information about which other model that would be) available in January.

So, today being the customer appreciation sale, my dealer had a price on the new 802Ds that I couldn't refuse, so I should hopeully have the new 802Ds in January (presumably shortly after CES).

So if anyone here is interested in getting the new 800 series sooner rather than later, I would suggest talking to your dealer quickly

:twisted: Brian, you are really lucky man!!!! :T

In Europe did not come (the new serie) until April (I think)...

but color, and others???

I have purchase a new rack...now I drean the 802D and new power ampli Classe delta.......of course all togeder!! ops:

we go see... I have too change the tweeter from my 803D, new Diamant inside (with a lucky turn and with my friend Classe :T - was when classe is coming to my home to the upgrade dual card..)

Omar

[audiofiel10]

:twisted: Brian, you are really lucky man!!!! :T

In Europe did not come (the new serie) until April (I think)...

but color, and others???

I have purchase a new rack...now I drean the 802D and new power ampli Classe delta.......of course all togeder!! ops:

we go see... I have too change the tweeter from my 803D, new Diamant inside (with a lucky turn and with my friend Classe :T - was when classe is coming to my home to the upgrade dual card..)

Omar

Did you break your diamond tweeter?? How?

[garak]

Congratulations on your new 802Ds! :T I'm sure you're going to be very pleased with them!

I'm certainly happy with mine, and even when I bought mine this year, I knew the current 800 series was near the end of its life-cycle, which didn't bother me one bit. I loved the sound of the current 802D during my demos, so for me, that's all that counts.

Thanks Kya. I'm glad you're happy with your 802Ds. And BTW, I've seen the pics of your system - it's a beautiful setup. :T

:twisted: Brian, you are really lucky man!!!! :T

In Europe did not come (the new serie) until April (I think)...

but color, and others???

I have purchase a new rack...now I drean the 802D and new power ampli Classe delta.......of course all togeder!! ops:

we go see... I have too change the tweeter from my 803D, new Diamant inside (with a lucky turn and with my friend Classe :T - was when classe is coming to my home to the upgrade dual card..)

Omar

Thanks Omar, but it's your turn next. :lol:

[pazu]

Hi everyone!

Do you know if B&W will show new 800 series to next CES?