The BEAST has arrived WOW !!

[misterdoggy]

Well I drove up to the Swiss border and picked up my Krell FPB400CX and what a thrill !! and back breaking 125 lbs.

I spent the day rewiring. The most complicated was changing the Swiss plug to French which took over an hour. The Power cable on that sucker is like an 1 1/2 inches thick. I wll need to custom order some plugs as they need to be able to pull 16AMPS !!

Sound: Incredible, fantastic unbelieveable !!! Dynamic, articulate, a incredible depth, detail beyond, very realistic but most of alla transparency as though you are not listening to reproduction, but clear unworked unaffected music. Warmer than the Kav's and less bright. This really is the "beast". This is it, I've arrived. :T

Now the only thing left is to move the processor up to the lexiconmc12b and I should be happy.

I am waiting for my cables to come back from Nordost as `I think this will be even more of an improvement.

I am a happy camper today !! ;x(

[Lex]

man, that is a serious load on that glass shelved rack. Nice, but I'd be concerned with that much of a load on that rack.

Doug

[Eliav]

Well I drove up to the Swiss border and picked up my Krell FPB400CX and what a thrill !! and back breaking 125 lbs.

I spent the day rewiring. The most complicated was changing the Swiss plug to French which took over an hour. The Power cable on that sucker is like an 1 1/2 inches thick. I wll need to custom order some plugs as they need to be able to pull 16AMPS !!

Sound: Incredible, fantastic unbelieveable !!! Dynamic, articulate, a incredible depth, detail beyond, very realistic but most of alla transparency as though you are not listening to reproduction, but clear unworked unaffected music. Warmer than the Kav's and less bright. This really is the "beast". This is it, I've arrived. :T

Now the only thing left is to move the processor up to the lexiconmc12b and I should be happy.

I am waiting for my cables to come back from Nordost as `I think this will be even more of an improvement.

I am a happy camper today !! ;x(

Hi
Looks like a beautiful setup !. What about your room acoustics, it looks like your 802 are "hanging in the air", I bet your system will sound even greater with better room set up
Congrats for the new beast !
Eliav

[ShadowZA]

What a beaut!

Drooooooooool :T

[RebelMan]

doggy, that is one sweet amp you got there. Though, I have to agree with Lex, you give a new meaning to the words "stress test". 8O

[misterdoggy]

man, that is a serious load on that glass shelved rack. Nice, but I'd be concerned with that much of a load on that rack.

Doug

Doug,

It was my first thought, so I called the maker, Apollo in the UK and they said no problema,

Its 12mm Glass tested to 125 Kilos load.

The 2 Krells together 50k + 29k = 79 Kilos I can almost pop another 400CX on the shelf (just kidding hehehe) :stupidpc:

[Kobus]

Nice, happy for you.

[Joey_V]

I normally dont peruse the BW forums.. but today, I made an exception for your BEAST! Super nice setup!

[misterdoggy]

You really don't get an idea of the size of this thing if you don't look at it from the side. Shark fin soup !!

[DavidB]

I just found out how much that puppy cost :B Must be amazing!

[Race Car Driver]

Nice!!!!

But why stop their!? Go for broke... and get the 700CX

http://www.avrev.com/equip/krellfpb700cx/

[krellfan]

Congratulation! Very nice setup. You may run into some heat issue in the summer with both amps on the same rack. Watch out for those heatsinks. I have scars on both legs from moving Krell amps.

You need to replace the KAV amp with a Krell EVO series .

[stewfoo]

whoa doggy!!!!!!!!!!!

[misterdoggy]

Nice!!!!

But why stop their!? Go for broke... and get the 700CX
http://www.avrev.com/equip/krellfpb700cx/

The 700Cx at $14,000 is another 'beast'. I was told sonically that there were no noticeable differences between the 400cx and the 700cx, just the power (more watts = x dbs @ etc) and it seems this guy ain't lackin.

I mean like the guy said in the article these amps are like the kind of horsepower that race cars have and that most people never use (on the street that is)

The 802D's are nicely suited to the fpb400CX ;x(

[johan]

Very nice Misterdoggy!
I have Fpb300cx with N802 so I understand you're exited. It sure is a great match, not at all overly bright as some say, just transparent, dynamic and the best soundstage I've ever heard.

Happy listening!!

[misterdoggy]

Very nice Misterdoggy!
I have Fpb300cx with N802 so I understand you're exited. It sure is a great match, not at all overly bright as some say, just transparent, dynamic and the best soundstage I've ever heard.

Happy listening!!

That's 802D not N802 !! so there is a difference. And you are right, transparent, happiness !!

If anyone is interested, I know where there is another FPB400CX 240V (europe) for sale in Switzerland. Write me a PM and I can tell you more.

[misterdoggy]

Congratulation! Very nice setup. You may run into some heat issue in the summer with both amps on the same rack. Watch out for those heatsinks. I have scars on both legs from moving Krell amps.

You need to replace the KAV amp with a Krell EVO series .

Krellfan,

I'm glad you brought this issue to my attention as I only have 2 1/2 inches of clearance above the unit.

I just got off the phone with the Krell technicians in Germany who recommended that I have at least 10cm or 4inches above.

They said I can install 2 small fans that are silent at the back of the shelf, but I will change the shelf height. It is a pain inthe butt because I have to dismantle the whole deal to be able to get to the bottom shelf.

That means rewiring everything. They said I don't risk anything because if it overheats the protection just shuts it down.

This is what the forum is all about. Interaction and advice that helps. :T

[chinets]

Congrats misterdoggy,
May you get all the Happiness squeezed out of those speakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice Fins!!!!!!!!!!

[dortiz]

Awesome!

Who put that on the rack?????

[Karma]

HI doggy,

Ummm, ummmm. Very nice. I'm really glad the back of your rack is not neater than mine. Now that would excite real jealosy. It's a jungle out there.

Sparky

[misterdoggy]

Awesome!

Who put that on the rack?????

I had to take down the entire rack to put it there, then rebuild it up again and rewire. Took the day.

Then I discovered I needed more airspace above and now need totake it all down and put the shelf above it up another 3 inches :boohoo:

HI doggy,

Ummm, ummmm. Very nice. I'm really glad the back of your rack is not neater than mine. Now that would excite real jealosy. It's a jungle out there.

Sparky

Yeah, Its a jungle in here, no way around it :banghead:

[james_dmi]

I see you have the optional spike kit fitted to your 802D's and are using the rubber feet to protect your floor. Im also planning on getting these at the same time as my 802D's to save my floor. From you pictures it looks like they lift the speaker off the gorund quite significantly. Can you make them any lower and if so what do you think the minimum clearance would be. I was hoping to have them quite low ie similar to how the speaker look on the standard rollers. Do you think that will be poisble?

Cheers

James.

[Claude D D]

Congrats on getting your FPB400cx it's a fantastic amp.We have one running a set of N800's in our store(off a KCT pre and SACD Standard). I've heard it on the 802D's and it was stunning!!!Enjoy. :T The other system in the room consists of a Wadia 861se running into a Classe Omega Pre and Omega mono blocks. We get to switch between 2 awesome rigs in that room. :T

[krellfan]

Claude,

How do the Krells compare to the Classe amps? I have heard both before but in different rooms.

[Eliav]

Congrats on getting your FPB400cx it's a fantastic amp.We have one running a set of N800's in our store(off a KCT pre and SACD Standard). I've heard it on the 802D's and it was stunning!!!Enjoy. :T The other system in the room consists of a Wadia 861se running into a Classe Omega Pre and Omega mono blocks. We get to switch between 2 awesome rigs in that room. :T

WOW !!!! what a setup !! sheer beauty !
Eliav

[RebelMan]

Claude,

How do the Krells compare to the Classe amps? I have heard both before but in different rooms.

I am curious too.

[misterdoggy]

Congrats on getting your FPB400cx it's a fantastic amp.We have one running a set of N800's in our store(off a KCT pre and SACD Standard). I've heard it on the 802D's and it was stunning!!!Enjoy. :T The other system in the room consists of a Wadia 861se running into a Classe Omega Pre and Omega mono blocks. We get to switch between 2 awesome rigs in that room. :T

Claude D D
I too am curious how you compare the 2 different Amps on the same speakers. What's what in your opinion.

I see you have the optional spike kit fitted to your 802D's and are using the rubber feet to protect your floor. Im also planning on getting these at the same time as my 802D's to save my floor. From you pictures it looks like they lift the speaker off the gorund quite significantly. Can you make them any lower and if so what do you think the minimum clearance would be. I was hoping to have them quite low ie similar to how the speaker look on the standard rollers. Do you think that will be poisble?

Cheers

James.

James,

They actually on metal discs not rubber. I think its better than rubber and I'm not sure rubber ones exist and if they do the weight would just drive a hole right thru the disc.

Also metal discs slide :T

I have the speakers a bit high because there is a ledge just behind one and I can push the speaker further back another few inches as it passes over the ledge. Otherwise I woudl put them down. You have to have them at least 3 inches or so as you can't adjust them lower. They are great.

[johan]

Claude,

I'm too very curious about the difference, not only between the two setups, but also what happens if you split them up, the KCT feeding the Classe's or Omega Pre feeding the FPB?

Man would I be testing all night if I worked there...

[misterdoggy]

I am also curious to know what those speaker cables are. They look like you could pump gas thru them.

[Claude D D]

Hey guys,The Classe Omega vs Krell FPB400cx is an interesting comparison.If not a little unfair as the Classe is more than double the money plus it has the mono block over stereo amp advantage.
I love the whay each one sounds. The Classe is very refined and has superb control and the Krell has that distinct(and excellent)Krell dynamics.Sorry for the lame review,I'm not very good at putting how thinks sound down in writing.I wish you guys could come to the store and hear these rigs. Fantastic stuff.
I guess you could say the Omega is like a Porsche Carrera GT and the Krell is like a 2006 Z06 Vette.
For cabling we have NBS Blacklabel on the system with the Krell and Transparent Reference on the Omega rig.
Getting to listen to rigs like this every day makes going to work something to look forward to. :T Here's a pic of what's in the room next door.Avid-Diva,dCS P8i - CD/SACD Player with on board upsampling from CD to DSD,VTL-7.5 Pre amp,VTL MB-450 Signature and Wilson Watt Puppy 7's!!! I'll throw in a pic of the Omega pre and Wadia 861se from the B&W room.Fun toys to play with.Sorry for going off topic.But I could'n't resist.
:dance: Check out our website.Premier Audio

[misterdoggy]

Wait a second. You said Porsche = Classe and Corvette = Krell. But I have a Krell and would prefer a Porsche ?

How about Aston Martin = Classe and Ferrrari = Krell, or Maserati :T

Claude,
:tennis:
since you are in the biz, how about descriptions a little more in depth like:

Timbre = tonal character
Articulation = definition of the instruments
Depth = depth
warmth = midrange and bass
bright = highs treble
Analytical = detailed
Transparency = lack of influence on detail

or bad things
veiled = no detail
grainy = ouch
dry = lacking warmth, lacking
Hard = metallic

It would be great to have input as you are there and listen to everyday what we would like to know. I mean this whole Group thrives on comparisons between the great Amps. The last couple of threads introduced the CAM400's and the Krell400CX.

True one is a Mono Amp and the other is not, but I for one would like to know about the SOUND.

Don't leave us hangin Claude !! :td:

[Claude D D]

veiled = no detail
grainy = ouch
dry = lacking warmth, lacking
Hard = metallic
I can tell you that neither of these amp suffer from the above. :T

[misterdoggy]

all right then, simple = Which sound do YOU prefer and why ?

[jlr_1304]

Pas mal beau ton setup. Bravo.

[misterdoggy]

Just closed a deal on a Lexicon MC12B V5 !! :T

Now I should be finished ? :later:

Nothing left but to listen to music and watch TV opcorn:

[grit]

I want his job.

[Karma]

HI doggy,
How depressing. Nothing to spend money on? Oh, woe is me. I'll wager that you will find some way to rid yourself of your hard earned dollars to improve your already incredible system. But the increments may be smaller. Hopefully! Happy listening and happy dreaming :W .

Sparky

[Eliav]

Just closed a deal on a Lexicon MC12B V5 !! :T

Now I should be finished ? :later:

Nothing left but to listen to music and watch TV opcorn:

Doggy !
Congrats. I envy you for reaching the Nirvana. I hope we all get there soon .
Enjoy the music !!
:later:

[RebelMan]

I want his job.

Which one, doggy or Claude? Both are dabling in high-end gear. Seems like doggy's business is aquisitions and Claude's line of work is testing. LOL :lol:

[misterdoggy]

HI doggy,
How depressing. Nothing to spend money on? Oh, woe is me. I'll wager that you will find some way to rid yourself of your hard earned dollars to improve your already incredible system. But the increments may be smaller. Hopefully! Happy listening and happy dreaming :W .

Sparky

That will be a worry. :huh:

I am going to work on building up my library of CD's now. Got any recommendations. I like all types of music especially Classical and Rock and Roll, Blues :T

[johan]

doggy,

Why the processor trade? Are you not happy with Parasound? Have you listened to the Lexicon and if so what are the difference in sound caracter?

johan

[Aussie Geoff]

I am going to work on building up my library of CD's now. Got any recommendations. I like all types of music especially Classical and Rock and Roll, Blues

Try this Thread in our Music TV and Movies forum... It's a mine of great CDs

Geoff

[misterdoggy]

Try this Thread in our Music TV and Movies forum... It's a mine of great CDs

Geoff

Geoff,

Thanks for the tip !! I am on it.......... ;x(

Why the processor trade? Are you not happy with Parasound? Have you listened to the Lexicon and if so what are the difference in sound caracter? johan

No, I haven't had the luxury to see the 2 side by side "yet" but will make a report forthwith to the group on the pro's and con's of both.

I already have downloaded the manual for the Lexicon or should I say VOLUME and there are a lot more assignments right off the bat. The C1 only has one assignment for speakers in terms of hz settings, subwoofer settings which stay throughout the modes.

The Lexicon already has a different speaker management setting for each and every mode.

The remote seems to be the only weak point as I am not sure its a learning remote. I like my universal mx500 learning remote and probably will use that one.

Universal Remotes kick butt :driving: and I can hardly keep up with the new arrivals.

[DavidB]

I am going to work on building up my library of CD's now. Got any recommendations. I like all types of music especially Classical and Rock and Roll, Blues :T

If you like Blues The Healer by John Lee Hooker is fantastic and a great recording. Might not be you kind of music but Ok Computer by Radiohead is a great recording and a fantastic album.

I just looked at that other thread, saw someone recommended some U2 tracks...is it me or is the quality of there recordings quite poor? Always sounds to me like it's recorded to try and sound good on bad music systems and thus sounds bad on anything good!

[misterdoggy]

If you like Blues The Healer by John Lee Hooker is fantastic and a great recording. Might not be you kind of music but Ok Computer by Radiohead is a great recording and a fantastic album.

John Lee Hooker is great. I love the old Blues guys. I used to go to Steve Pauls "The Scene" on the west side in New York City, back in the 60's and saw all the old Blues Men pass thru. Sonny Terry + Brownie Mcgee, Muddy Waters, Paul Butterfield Blues band, Freddie Albert and BB King, Howlin Wolf, and lots of lesser knowns.

Too bad the recording quality of these poor singers (at the time playing little night clubs 1/2 filled) is not that great except for maybe BB King who is still performing.

Mostly later recordings of aging legends.