For all you HDMI 1.3 guys and Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD

[Hdale85]

http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESpr...erwoodR972.php

Friend showed me this today. Looks like a hell of a lot of receiver for 1500 bucks.

[Race Car Driver]

Sure does

[Azeke]

That is one magnanimous receiver for $1500.00

Peace and blessings,

Azeke

[Jack Gilvey]

Nice, although you can get the same lossless audio formats with an HD DVD player (they've already got the decoders) and an HDMI 1.1 receiver.

[Hdale85]

One of the features I was shocked by was the Converts HDMI video to analog The CRT guys may LOVE this feature.

[Chris D]

Cool... looks like a good product. Hopefully, this is a good sign of more products soon to come, pushing the technology edge.

[Brandon B]

Wonder if they will have a similarly priced P-972 prepro as they have in the past, I may be all over that.

BB

[Evil Twin]

A Pre-Pro with similar features, including the video processing/conversion, would be most impressive...

[Kevin D]

They had another receiver sitting right next to it with TrueHD/DTS-HD for only $1000.

Kevin D.

[Race Car Driver]

A Pre-Pro with similar features, including the video processing/conversion, would be most impressive...

Exactly what I was thinking, as a my next step will be dedicated amps as my reciever is only powering my surrounds right now.

[EAmin]

Denon Separates

The Denon separates on the AH website looks very tempting too. Also 1.3 with all the bells and whistles.

http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESpr...nSeparates.php

[Hdale85]

Yeah and probably 5 times the price.

[clearwaterms]

yeah and the quoted price is something less then a small import car

[Hdale85]

:B Yeah but I bet the NC is going to be quite nice especially at that price!

[ssabripo]

why all the hoopla over HDMI 1.3?? besides "deep Color", there is no need for 1.3 to handle any of the future TruHD or DTS-HD master audio streams:

TrueHD:

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/avrs/trueHD_avrs_1.html

DTS-HD master:
http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dtshd-mast...g-receiver.php

High Definition Player with DTS-HD Decoder to Current AV Receiver

You can enjoy DTS-HD Master Audio and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio if you have a new Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD player with a DTS-HD Audio decoder built into the player. The audio will be decoded inside the player and passed to the receiver in two different ways.

HDMI 1.1 or 1.2 Connection

In this scenario, the high definition player would output the audio as an uncompressed 6 to 8 channel linear PCM digital audio stream. You will need a player with a built-in DTS-HD Decoder, and both player and AV Receiver need to include HDMI version 1.1 or 1.2* outputs/inputs. HDMI stands for High Definition Multimedia Interface, and is a single-cable connection designed to accommodate digital multi channel audio and video. Simply connect the HDMI cable from the output of the player to the HDMI input of the AV Receiver. The DTS decoder inside the AV Receiver will "ignore" the Linear PCM stream and pass the audio stream on to your receiver's digital-to-analog converters and then on to the 5.1 or 7.1 amplifier. This way you can enjoy DTS-HD Master Audio that is a bit-for-bit identical to the studio master.



6 to 8 Channel Analog Connection

In this scenario, the high definition player will output DTS-HD Audio through the analog outputs of the player to your AV Receiver. The DTS-HD Master Audio or DTS-HD High Resolution will be decoded by the player and sent out as analog audio signals to the AV Receiver. You would Simply connect 6, 7, or 8 RCA cables from the analog outputs of the player to the analog inputs on your AV Receiver. The number of analog cables will be determined by the number of analog output/inputs on the player and receiver. The analog signals will go directly to the receiver's amplifier section. In this way you can enjoy DTS-HD Master Audio that is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master.

[Ovation]

^This is exactly how I plan to enjoy the lossless formats with my receiver. My receiver has BM/TA on its analogue MCH inputs (I already use them with my hi-res audio player) and as long as the player has proper level setting capabilities (my MCH input does not apply level settings that are set for the rest of the receiver), I will be happy. Despite the A/D/A that happens with my DVD-A/SACD playback, I find the hi-res content to be still quite superior to standard res audio, and I expect the same to apply to these soundtracks from hi-def discs, when I get to that upgrade. It will be expensive enough to acquire one (or two) hi-def players and an HDTV, I don't plan to upgrade the receiver at the same time.

[VTGOLFER]

Yeah and probably 5 times the price.

The word through the dealer reps is the Denon Pre/pro will be $7500 and the amp $7500. For that price you might as well buy the Denon 5805Ci and use it as a pre/pro.

[Marzen]

There's not many that can handle 7.1 (via LPCM) output, fewer still with bass management, and maybe none (?) that can process (eq, time delay) the new formats. Granted v1.3 is no guarantee any of the above will be present in new AVR's sporting that badge. Q2 of 2007 should have some interesting reviews on all the above.
-Ward

[thyname]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between a HDMI 1.1 receiver and a HDMI "switch only" receiver like Rotel RSX-1057?

[clearwaterms]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between a HDMI 1.1 receiver and a HDMI "switch only" receiver like Rotel RSX-1057?

HDMI has the technology to carry audio as well as video. The rotel RSX-1057 is an HDMI switch so it's only intended to be able to switch HDMI sources to different outputs. In other words its not hooked up to the audio. So you will still need a seperate cross connect to carry the audio portion. True HDMI can carry both the video and the audio.

make sense?

I hope im write

[thyname]

Does that mean that any HDMI 1.1 listed receiver carries audio?

[Marzen]

Yes, per HDMI FAQ PAGE

Q. What functionality was added to each specification?

The following provides an overview of major functionality added to each version of HDMI

HDMI 1.1

* Support for DVD Audio

-Ward

[Marzen]

why all the hoopla over HDMI 1.3?? besides "deep Color", there is no need for 1.3 to handle any of the future TruHD or DTS-HD master audio streams:

Not so much hoopla, but rather pure, unsubstantiated, illogical hope that there will be a plethora of AVR's & pre-pro's that will actually support the new formats in there entirety. (ie: bass mgt, eq, delay, non-matrixed rear channels)

-Ward