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  • JonMarsh
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    • Aug 2000
    • 15304

    Reference Speaker system in Development

    Press Release:

    Arvo Parrot Speaker System,


    from Lipira Suction Labs


    It is with great pleasure that we are able to announce the development of the first speaker system by Lipira Suction Labs, the “Arvo Parrot”. Founded as a new development division of the parent family group of AudioWorx/Klone Audio, Lipira Suction Labs is a wholly disowned subsidiary formed to develop advanced acoustical and manufacturing techniques, based on the leading edge thinking of late 19th century acousticians and physicists. Building on the work of Helmholtz, Volt, and Ohm, we are re-exploring and redefining matters long thought laid to rest by less observant practitioners of the acoustical arts.


    The “Arvo Parrot” is a radical innovation in acoustic technology following closely in the footsteps of it’s forebears in dipole dynamic loudspeakers. With a nod and a tip of the hat, we acknowledge the key contributions by our predecessors such as Jim Winey, Bob Carver, Sigfried Linkwitz, and Jeff Duddleston, but we’ve refused to be bound by the conventions of their thought- we’ll make our own innovative developments as soon as we can think of them.

    Why a Dipole Speaker?
    First, let’s not confuse full range dipoles with dipoles used as rears in home theater, or dipoles used to get two fishing lines in the water at the same time. The unique property of a dipole speaker is having sound output front and back which is 180 degrees out of phase. As a result, there is a large drop off in response to the sides (nearly zero) due to the resulting figure eight front to rear dispersion, which greatly lessens the interaction of the speaker with the room acoustics, and also gives your neighbors fewer reasons to pound on the walls when you’re playing your HT soundtracks a little too loud.

    A well designed dipole speaker will often give the impression of listening to a large pair of high quality headphones, due to the unusual midbass and midrange clarity they achieve by avoiding multiple room reflections which can muddy the sound. A poorly designed dipole speaker, on the other hand, may more nearly resemble listening to a $15 dollar set of RS headphones through an inexpensive receiver turned up too loud. There’s still a certain inescapable clarity to the sound, but otherwise the experience doesn’t have much to recommend itself.

    Our principle designer was given German made toy steam engines at a tender age, and due to this exposure has always had a certain fascination with things involving pistonic operation. This continued with motorcycles, then progressed to V8 equipped automobiles of questionable safety, finally culminating in the pursuit and use of loudspeaker drivers maintaining pistonic operation in their operating band. He claims that this mode of operation reduces the coloration and smearing in the critical midrange frequencies, but the marketing department suspects his real issue is just a simple phobia regarding plastics, especially polypropylene.

    Regardless, the loudspeaker drivers used in the Arvo Parrot, none of which were designed by us (yes, we know all real loudspeaker companies design and manufacture all their drivers themselves- we’re one of the fake loudspeaker companies, like Wilson Audio, Joseph Audio, Proac, RB Acoustics, Acoustic Reality, Krell, etc) are fully certified to operate in a pistonic mode in at least some part of the operating range- hopefully, including where we use them.


    Bass Reproduction- warm, liquid bass with lots of detail
    The Arvo Parrot delivers an authoritative low frequency presentation, with pitch definition so keen you can calibrate a digital frequency counter by ear with it. Low frequencies are covered up to 200 Hz in each speaker by a pair drivers passinlgy optimized for dipole operation or some type of low frequency sound reproduction. These combine remarkably high cone excursion capability with low distortion and good response linearity to roughly 352.186 Hz. We configure the voice coils in a series parallel array which results in a benign 8 ohm amplifier load for all the unfortunates still using receivers instead of separates. You know who you are.




    Midrange Regeneration- Optimized for female voice and luteharp
    For the upper bass and midrange, we rely on two HiVI M8a magnesium/aluminum 8” driver to deliver the goods with finesse, which, unlike the Titanic, have a rather attractive gold anodized cone color instead of the more commonly found boring black. (who says we don’t care about Spousal Acceptance Factor?). Rumors that the art director running the marketing department had the primary say in choosing these drivers based on their cool appearance have not been substantiated in either the mainstream press or the auidophool underground magazines. And, for the time being, just ignore those malicious whisperings on the internet.



    Treble Reconstruction- Why wet is good
    Smoothness combined with clarity is the goal we have for the Arvo Parrot. Imagine Andreas Vollenweider’s “White Winds”, where the lapping of the water on the shoreline is so crystal clear, yet so smooth and wet that you’ll be checking the hem of your pants for dampness and your carpet for water stains when you’re finished listening.

    We conducted extensive research the weekend before last into suitable drivers to mate with the HiVi M8a’s. In the end, we couldn’t find any gold colored ones, and after considering the Accuton C44 dome midrange for the the upper mids, our accountant threatened to kill the engineering director, as a pair of these costs more than four Hi-Vi M8a’s combined. Pistonic midrange drivers aren’t cheap, especially not ones that can almost double as tweeters, considering it’s upper breakup mode is nearly at 20 kHz. Bringing in the recommendations of a secret well known outside consultant, who will only be identified as “Mark K”, we avoided a duel at dawn between engineering and accounting, and initially settled (provisionally) on using the Vifa XT25 for the treble range. Unfortunately, the money we saved by not buying Accuton drivers will be spent instead on psychiatric analysis for the Engineering Director, who has an extreme phobia over anything with the “V” letter in it, after an unfortunate experience being forced to watch a science fiction TV series titled similarly. After suitable psychiatric treatment, he has now agreed on a more reasonable tweeter choice, an SS9800.




    Developed with exclusive cloaking technology
    The Arvo Parrot is the first in what many hope will be an extremely short series developed using new proprietary “cloaking technology”. The key requirement of this technology is to prevent premature disclosure during the development stage of the proprietary technologies being developed and discarded for the Arvo Parrot, prior to publishing all details of the design on the Internet. Early development versions of this cloaking technology used a Martha Stewart Dacron fiber fill comforter in a light blue shade (sourced from KMart) to provide draping, acoustical damping, and general obfuscation of the development mule. When it was found that the blue color of the cloaking device didn’t blend in very well with the color of the development mule, our art director was able to suggest and locate a nice down comforter sourced from CostCo, with a beige duvet cover; this provides a near perfect “low observables” stealth technology for the development test bed, as we achieved a near perfect color match, plus, we believe, improved acoustical damping from the natural down stuffing.

    Advanced Composite Construction
    The Arvo Parrot’s construction includes advanced thinking (for us) in the choice of construction materials, choosing to eschew the more commonly used plywoods and particle board. Instead, an advanced multilayer composite was developed over the course of a couple of weekends, incorporating constrained damping and variable density laminate layers. This stems from our experience with the Klone Audio “Legacy Whisper” project, and realizing that this could wind up being one heck of a lot of work if we weren’t careful. This construction technique results a very stiff, deadened 1-1/8” baffle for mounting the drivers, with an attractive raw finish that blends very closely with our unpatented cloaking technology. The utilization of this technology led us to reconsider all aspects of our manufacturing technologies, and even forced the shop foreman to purchase a Jasper router jig, in spite of his dedication to being the last holdout in the North American continent from doing so.


    Standards and Options
    Standard finish on the Arvo Parrot is blonde Oak and black grille cloth, with Cardas binding posts in a bi-wire configuration for bass and midbass-treble. Internal wiring is by 12 AWG Litz cable, but Cardas wire or Kimber 8TC is available. Consult your Lipira Suction Labs sales associates for details about this and other upgrades available at exorbitant markups.




    Suggested ancillary equipment:
    You don’t REALLY want us to go here, do you? And give you some kind of lengthy list of unobtanium based equipment without which your listening experience will be totally flawed? I didn’t think so.
    Hint: No feedback loops. It’s really that simple.



    ~Jon




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  • ThomasW
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    • Aug 2000
    • 10933

    #2
    Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!

    Another masterpiece in the long line of (pole) vaulted Lirpa Labs products.

    Given their falsely reported demise I was afraid that no further products were going to be offer by this extremely backward looking research group

    I've used their
    Lirpa Labs Lirpa Turbo Steamtable with Quad-Dimensional Cerebral-Holography?
    and their Lirpa Sherpa Transport since the turn of the next to last century and will NEVER upgrade

    There have been occasional reports of Dr Loof Lirpa co-redeveloping loudspeakers with such notables as Davidson's Dr Bambamba. But until the above post that information was only unsubstantialed allegations, not proof positive of the great Dr's continued existance.

    All true audiopilles wait with baited breath, (cod usually), to hear the newest Lirpa product.

    Lex will of course be keenly interested in the Loof-Lirpa Fire Cable interconnect “Wire so hot it’ll burn you.” Reveiwed in Vol. VII, No. 2 of The Audiophile Voice"

    Not to be undone by other so called scientists Dr Loof Lirpa has continue his horizontal expansion into other fields.

    Here's info from the infamous French Publication "Poisson d'avril",

    Pelleas Industries, of Corbenic, New South Wales, Australia, proposes to develop a new concept of launch assist system to boost an experimental air-breathing hypersonic vehicle. The Steam-Assist Launch Monorail would consist in a sledge accelerated along a 20-km-long track by high-pressure steam provided by a 50-cubic-meter water tank heated by electrical induction to reach a speed of about 500 km/h. The SALMon sledge would then release the experimental scramjet-powered vehicle, dubbed Hypersonic Air-breathing Kick Experiment, to be developed by Lirpa Labs, of Kikmee, Queensland. Test-runs of the SALMon on a ground track built in the Nullarbor Plain are due to begin in April 2001. Test-flights of the HAKE design are planned at the same time with decommissioned Exocet missiles providing initial boost to the subscale demonstrators.

    Those wishing to contact the great Dr can do so at:

    Lirpa Labs
    Main & Elm Street
    New York, NY 10101




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    • Pat
      Super Senior Member
      • Aug 2000
      • 1637

      #3
      You guys crack me up :LOL:

      Sounds like a fun project, hope to hear and see more soon :T




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      • Lex
        Moderator Emeritus
        • Apr 2001
        • 27461

        #4
        Lex will of course be keenly interested in the Loof-Lirpa Fire Cable interconnect “Wire so hot it’ll burn you.” Reveiwed in Vol. VII, No. 2 of The Audiophile Voice"
        Yeah man, you got my attention! :LOL:

        Sure feels like April 1 was the day this was posted.

        Lex
        Doug
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        • JonMarsh
          Mad Max Moderator
          • Aug 2000
          • 15304

          #5
          Ah, Lex, but there's a joke inside the joke- there actually is an "Arvo Parrot" in the initial stages of construction in my living room. But perhaps we'll actually call it the Arvo Pärt, after the Estonian composer of some rather stunning vocal works, as vocal reprodcution is one of the main priorities for this speaker, and Audio Artistry already used a number of well known composer names for their dipole speakers, such as Beethoven, Dvorak, and Vivaldi.

          Seems a little classier than calling it the J-Bro Model 1, which was my other preference- but then there's such a fine line between "classy" and ostentation, these days.





          An example from EMI records:




          My personal favorite of his compositions is "Fratres".


          -Jon




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          • JonMarsh
            Mad Max Moderator
            • Aug 2000
            • 15304

            #6
            Lirpa Labs lives, though with a few changes here and there

            At this stage, it's a bit ugly... Lex won't have to worrry about any competition for the beauty queen title his beloved Sonus Faber's hold.... yet... :P





            First clamping step....






            Second side, after routing front panel....




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            • David Meek
              Moderator Emeritus
              • Aug 2000
              • 8938

              #7
              8O

              Wow. Jon, I can't wait to see how these progress!




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              • JonMarsh
                Mad Max Moderator
                • Aug 2000
                • 15304

                #8
                Me too! :B


                -Jon




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                • Pat
                  Super Senior Member
                  • Aug 2000
                  • 1637

                  #9
                  Looks interesting so far Jon.
                  Keep us posted




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                  • Lex
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                    • Apr 2001
                    • 27461

                    #10
                    Lex won't have to worrry about any competition for the beauty queen title his beloved Sonus Faber's hold.... yet...
                    Thank goodness, I was shaking in my boots for a minute there. lol.

                    Interesting looking project. So, it's an open air mid range? Veeerdy interesting looking.

                    Lex
                    Doug
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                    • JonMarsh
                      Mad Max Moderator
                      • Aug 2000
                      • 15304

                      #11
                      Itsa dipole open air everythings, froma 70 Hz on uppa, until the tweeter, anyway.

                      It looks good on the computer, but we'll see in real life if the levels and stuff match up. The 11" woofers were selected especially for this app, their voice coil inductance provides a natural dipole compensation/equalization from 70 Hz to ~350 Hz. They're also better than average for a dipole because of the manner pole and voice coil venting is implemented- not to mention the 18 mm Xmax. Crossover to the 8" midrange :LOL: will be around 225-250.

                      The plan is to cross over to a 3 cu. ft sealed sub with dual BPD1203 sub at 75 Hz, using a Sumo Delilah II crossover (no feedback- hard to find- but I have one).

                      The expectation is that the dipole stuff will cut down on the room interaction in the bass and lower midrange substantially, due to the side nulls. And it's a bit more petite than the last dipole we built (ThomasW's Legacy Whisper Klones), and should be a LOT less woodwork.

                      It will take a fair amount of voltage to drive, due to series wired drivers- gives me a good motivator to finish the mods for my Aragons.


                      -Jon




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                      • JonMarsh
                        Mad Max Moderator
                        • Aug 2000
                        • 15304

                        #12
                        Further Updates will be in the DIY section, where this belongs... either that, or in the Twilight Zone.... :?

                        -Jon




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                        In Development...
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                        Saint-Saëns Symphonique/AKA SMJ-40
                        Modula PWB
                        Calliope CC Supreme
                        Natalie P Ultra
                        Natalie P Supreme
                        Janus BP1 Sub


                        Resistance is not futile, it is Volts divided by Amperes...
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                        • JonMarsh
                          Mad Max Moderator
                          • Aug 2000
                          • 15304

                          #13
                          Arisen from the presumed dead, as it was merely dormant, the Arvo Part lives and grows, mutating into a panapoly of divergent developoment directions.

                          Be afraid. Be very afraid. :E




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                          Calliope
                          Ardent D

                          In Development...
                          Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
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                          Saint-Saëns Symphonique/AKA SMJ-40
                          Modula PWB
                          Calliope CC Supreme
                          Natalie P Ultra
                          Natalie P Supreme
                          Janus BP1 Sub


                          Resistance is not futile, it is Volts divided by Amperes...
                          Just ask Mr. Ohm....

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                          • David Meek
                            Moderator Emeritus
                            • Aug 2000
                            • 8938

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Jon
                            mutating into a panapoly of divergent developoment directions


                            Hehe, there is your "phrase of the day" everyone. Be sure to use it at least three separate times within the next 24 hours.
                            :yeah:




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                            • JonMarsh
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                              • Aug 2000
                              • 15304

                              #15
                              Yes, mutation is a woderful thing!








                              Now, one more variant on the "first" version, about six inches taller, is under consideration; possibility of about 4 dB net higher efficiency. which is hardle trivial.

                              Hmmmm, definitely a mutating panopoly of divergent development directions!

                              ~Jon




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                              Janus BP1 Sub


                              Resistance is not futile, it is Volts divided by Amperes...
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                              • JonMarsh
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                                • Aug 2000
                                • 15304

                                #16
                                April 1, 2002.

                                The times they are a changin.

                                And no, we didn't "photoshop" that last picture- that was real... at one time.

                                mutating into a panoply of divergent developoment directions

                                isnt' that the truth. And Josh is giving away the latest ideas....

                                I still like ThomasW's abandoned "Uber Arvo's"- reminds of big Duntechs or big Dunlavy's, but without the cabinet.

                                And to think this started as an April Fools day prank.

                                ~Jon
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                                • Chris D
                                  Moderator Emeritus
                                  • Dec 2000
                                  • 16877

                                  #17
                                  Jon, bringing this one back from the vault?
                                  CHRIS

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                                  - Pleasantville

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                                  • JonMarsh
                                    Mad Max Moderator
                                    • Aug 2000
                                    • 15304

                                    #18
                                    Sort of, but it's in the "wrong" corner of the vault- should probably move it to Mission Possible DIY. There's a lot of Arvo work and intersest going on. Thought a little perspective was in order.

                                    Either that, or Mission Possible DIY is going to establish a beachhead in AudioHideout and take that over, too! :B

                                    ~Jon
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                                    Calliope CC Supreme
                                    Natalie P Ultra
                                    Natalie P Supreme
                                    Janus BP1 Sub


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                                    • grit
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jan 2005
                                      • 580

                                      #19
                                      Jon, why did you chose to place the tweeter and mids vertically off-set, and did you notice any problems with the sound waves with that placement?

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                                      • ThomasW
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                                        • Aug 2000
                                        • 10933

                                        #20
                                        The tweeters are offset to optimize the center to center spacing of the midwoofers.

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                                        • Evil Twin
                                          Super Senior Member
                                          • Nov 2004
                                          • 1532

                                          #21
                                          Also, the offset arrangement for both the midwoofers and tweeters provides the flattest net baffle response, distributing the diopole reinforcement resonance in the midrange over a wider range of frequencies, and results in a flatter tweeter response profile.

                                          BDS is your friend, as is LspCAD KH tool.

                                          Jon
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                                          • David Meek
                                            Moderator Emeritus
                                            • Aug 2000
                                            • 8938

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by JonMarsh
                                            Either that, or Mission Possible DIY is going to establish a beachhead in AudioHideout and take that over, too! :B

                                            ~Jon
                                            Yeah, yeah. Promises, promises. :dancenana:
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                                            • David Meek
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                                              • Aug 2000
                                              • 8938

                                              #23
                                              Actually, did the uber-Arvo's ever get rolling?

                                              Enquiring minds....
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                                              • Evil Twin
                                                Super Senior Member
                                                • Nov 2004
                                                • 1532

                                                #24
                                                They were built and listened to for a while, but they did not pass the TAF - Thomas Acceptance Factor- even for him, they were a bit outsized. Plus, all the DPL12s wound up being installed in the updgrade to the IB woofer in the living room, and TC2+ replaced the DPL12s in the more standard configuration.

                                                Now, some other options are being considered, including the RS315HF on low frequency duties, and some new driver configurations for the mid/highs, including other 8" midwoofers, the RS28a tweeter (cost balancing), and possibly a more petite version using dual 7" midwoofers in a 2.5 way configuration with a waveguide loaded tweeter. It could appear to be an effort to throw every new checklist feature into the mix.

                                                Then, there's the Isiris, a more radical break. The midranges for that are due in about a week (Accuton), and they will use 4 10" woofers, a 7" midrange, and a couple of options are being considered for the tweeter, including a waveguide loaded one. We shall see if the force is strong in this one or not.
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