According to Classe website, there are no two-channel preamps or integrated amps in the product line, only discontinued products! Has Classe abandoned 2-channel audio?
Classe discontinuing 2-channel?
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Cp-800?Kal Rubinson
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Kal, the CP-800 is an interesting box, but considering it's price point, is something I would never purchase. A combo preamp/dac/amp like the Peachtree Nova is nice for a compact second system perhaps, but I don't like the idea of mixing in a DAC and Preamp at this performance level. In the last 10 years I've had one Classe integrated and maybe 4 DACs. With digitial technology technology changing so quickly, especially wrt USB audio, I'm afraid the DAC in the CP-800 would be outpaced by competing technologies pretty quickly.
It would be really nice to see Classe produce a simple analog preamp to match one of their 2CH amps. An integrated would be nice too, but I know that these seem to be out of fashion these days in high end.
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Originally posted by ertKal, the CP-800 is an interesting box, but considering it's price point, is something I would never purchase.Originally posted by ertA combo preamp/dac/amp like the Peachtree Nova is nice for a compact second system perhaps, but I don't like the idea of mixing in a DAC and Preamp at this performance level.Originally posted by ertIn the last 10 years I've had one Classe integrated and maybe 4 DACs. With digitial technology technology changing so quickly, especially wrt USB audio, I'm afraid the DAC in the CP-800 would be outpaced by competing technologies pretty quickly.Originally posted by ertIt would be really nice to see Classe produce a simple analog preamp to match one of their 2CH amps. An integrated would be nice too, but I know that these seem to be out of fashion these days in high end.- Mike
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Originally posted by ertWith digitial technology technology changing so quickly, especially wrt USB audio, I'm afraid the DAC in the CP-800 would be outpaced by competing technologies pretty quickly.Kal Rubinson
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Originally posted by mjbDAC technology has settled down a bit.Originally posted by Kal Rubinson2 channel DAC technology has been pretty stable for a while now.
If the CP-800 is in the similar price range of the CP-700, then it means something was sacrificed. CP-700 has a separate PS, while CP-800 has internal PS plus DAC and cost less than then CP-700? I'm guessing it's a big step down from the 700.- Bottom
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Originally posted by ertIt depends on the interface. Good USB DAC solutions that can handle hi rez formats are actually only now starting to mature. There are plenty of open technical issues being discussed on computer audio forums wrt USB audio interfaces.
If the CP-800 is in the similar price range of the CP-700, then it means something was sacrificed. CP-700 has a separate PS, while CP-800 has internal PS plus DAC and cost less than then CP-700? I'm guessing it's a big step down from the 700.Kal Rubinson
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Originally posted by ert~
If the CP-800 is in the similar price range of the CP-700, then it means something was sacrificed. CP-700 has a separate PS, while CP-800 has internal PS plus DAC and cost less than then CP-700? I'm guessing it's a big step down from the 700.
seeing pics of insides of the cp800 I see nothing of the lovely dual mono fully balanced design of the CP700, and yes completely discrete external power supply the cp700 also has.
looks to me lots of the cp700s pure analog basis has been sacrificed and replaced by the cp800s digital innards."Technology is a drug. We can't get enough of it."- Bottom
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Guys
I was under the impression that most parents teach their children not to judge a book by it's cover. ABC even made a song about that. Smile.
So hold the criticism until you have had a chance to hear it by yourself.
I for one cannot remember a "bad" product from Classe. So why should this one be the first?- Bottom
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Originally posted by Kal Rubinson2 channel DAC technology has been pretty stable for a while now.
Not sure if I agree that this does also apply for the future. Would imagine that development in chip design will eventually move everything to programmable circuits - meaning not a real DAC but a DSP emulation.
Believe DCS is already using this technology today. In a few years you can do that for a few dollars so why use a regular DAC?
Beauty of this is that what was impossible for most to purchase will become affordable for the masses down the road.. :lol:- Bottom
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Originally posted by aarsoeKal
Not sure if I agree that this does also apply for the future. Would imagine that development in chip design will eventually move everything to programmable circuits - meaning not a real DAC but a DSP emulation.
Believe DCS is already using this technology today. In a few years you can do that for a few dollars so why use a regular DAC?
Beauty of this is that what was impossible for most to purchase will become affordable for the masses down the road.. :lol:Kal Rubinson
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Totally agree and why I urged people to listen before they pass sentence.
Nothing beats the (r)evolution that transistors undergo from generation to generation. Imagine a world without them. A scary scenario if you ask me.
And now they are changing the world of HiFi in a pace that have not been seen before. The leaps between each generation now is bigger than the jumps between the 1960's to the 1980's.
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Originally posted by aarsoeKal
Not sure if I agree that this does also apply for the future. Would imagine that development in chip design will eventually move everything to programmable circuits - meaning not a real DAC but a DSP emulation.
Believe DCS is already using this technology today. In a few years you can do that for a few dollars so why use a regular DAC?
Beauty of this is that what was impossible for most to purchase will become affordable for the masses down the road.. :lol:
dCS technology which I think you refer to is something different. They use FPGA (field programmable gate array) to provide a completely customisable DAC circuit. This is a very customisable system but is also very expensive compared with a standard DAC chip. I'm sure there are others, but I only know of dCS and Chord who approach DAC design in this method.
At the end of the day though, given something like the CP800, you are getting a great DAC and preamp now which could be used later as a standard preamp with an external DAC. It may also be feasible that, IF some super new technology was developed down the line, Classe could offer an upgrade to the DAC board as has been seen with the SSP800.
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Of course we should wait and listen before passing judgment Classe makes amazing stuff and I'm sure CP-800 will be great. I'm hoping Classe will simply produce a "budget" 2-ch preamp without extra bells and whistles. As someone who already owns a good DAC, I'd like all the money I pay for a good preamp to go to the analog circuits and not the DAC!
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Originally posted by ertI'm hoping Classe will simply produce a "budget" 2-ch preamp without extra bells and whistles.- Mike
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Originally posted by mjbWon't happen, they have a brand to protect. If you want "budget", look at Rotel. Also a member of the B&W group.Kal Rubinson
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Originally posted by Kal RubinsonI agree that it is extremely unlikely but it would be nice if it was somewhat modular in a way that would let one purchase a functional device without the digital inputs/processing and still be able to have that added at a later date.
Am I hearing "apps" for HiFi being suggested..? 8)- Bottom
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Originally posted by ertIt would be really nice to see Classe produce a simple analog preamp to match one of their 2CH amps.
eric
I would like to enhance your suggestion regarding the preamp by recommending that this device has tone controls. Classé, for the sake of music lovers it is time that the worm turned on this old chestnut. Not that I would want to mix my metaphors or anything.
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Originally posted by mjbWon't happen, they have a brand to protect. If you want "budget", look at Rotel. Also a member of the B&W group.
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