Which Oppo with the SSP 800

[KahunaCanuck]

I am thinking of replacing my Denon 3800 Bluray with the Oppo BD83 (faster loading times and SACD/DVD Audio playback) but am trying to decide which one. While many are raving about the analogue sections of the 83 SE and even the Nuforce edition, I can't imagine that the DACs in those units would sound better than just running the HDMI straight into the SSP 800. Has anyone compared with the 800? Should I just buy the basic one or?

[wettou]

I am thinking of replacing my Denon 3800 Bluray with the Oppo BD83 (faster loading times and SACD/DVD Audio playback) but am trying to decide which one. While many are raving about the analogue sections of the 83 SE and even the Nuforce edition, I can't imagine that the DACs in those units would sound better than just running the HDMI straight into the SSP 800. Has anyone compared with the 800? Should I just buy the basic one or?

YES that is what Oppo recommended, please use HDMi bit-stream let the SSP-800 do all the work

[style]

Hi KahunaCanuck,

I have a denon3800 & Pioneer lx91(09 USA).

The Pioneer is amazing: the best bluray player never see.
the denon is now out with the 4010 but is vry similar at the 3800: changing with this new 4010 = wasted money!

the oppo in Europa *(Switzerlnad)* is not so "popolar"...but available not easy but available in 83specialEdition and Nuforce...

the contro is the price from the oppo in europa: 83 ca. $-1000 /
83SE $. 1700.- and Nuforce $.2200.-!!!

* a purchssing in the net isssure not so expensive

I will replace the 3800 too but with tis price I think that will be available another solution...
Style

[KahunaCanuck]

Thanks Style,

I like my 3800 as well, but the load time is a pain and I would like to be able to play SACD & DVD Audio as well. I am looking for the perfect machine I guess!

The Oppo here is $499, the SE $899. I plan to only use the HDMI out so the SE probably is of no use to me.

I had hoped someone had tried the SE with analogue out for CD compared to HDMI out into the SSP 800, but I guess not.

With Oppo's pricing here I can't see spending a bunch more for a universal blu ray player that nobody seems to see or hear any differences in.

[style]

Hallo KahunaCaplayer.

the Oppo 83SE for $. 899.- I think is a great player!!!

Iuse at today with te 3800 asimply hdmi cable: a extra coax. for evt. music..but the difference from Hdmi and ooax is very little!!!!

the oppo 83SE with our price can be a super solution to listen music in analog but the SSP800 Dac's is sure better from what the oppo have inside....
Personaly I choice the 83 se..

like wrote to have a god price for the Oppo I must buy it via Net from the official link or other in nord europa: for ca. $-1200 all taxes ink. is possible have so one...

Like you know Lexicon, Oppo and Theta Blu is always the same player ..only the price is different: oppo à.500 / Lexicon $.3990 and Theta blu $.2990.-

Style

[wettou]

The Oppo here is $499, the SE $899. I plan to only use the HDMI out so the SE probably is of no use to me.

I had hoped someone had tried the SE with analogue out for CD compared to HDMI out into the SSP 800, but I guess not.

Oppo BDP-83 is enough unless you intend to do analogue

[style]

Oppo BDP-83 is enough unless you intend to do analogue

hi, yes the SE will be for the analogue use...but with so a little price difference I say GO with the SE: in a second time you will sure happy to have the SE version.

in Switzerland, a purchasing to a "dealer" the 83SE is around $. 1500.-!!! :cry:

Ok, for this money you can forget a new Denon like the 4010 AND the charge
time from a Denon/Pioneer (I have the lx91-09 in USA) is too loooong:
Pirates of Caribbean: with the Oppo 21 second, with the Denon 4010: 1 min. & 4 sec. 8O

pro & contra are sure more but the Oppo is a very good investment.

Style

[Kal Rubinson]

Oppo BDP-83 is enough unless you intend to do analogue

Agreed.

[stuofsci02]

I wish you were close enough and I would let you borrow my 83SE..

As has been said if you are going HDMI there is absolutely no advantage to get the 83SE.

That said, I cannot comment on how the CD performance would compare via the 83SE analog outs vs. the SSP-800.

One thing for sure is the analog outs on the 83SE perform far better then what they cost compared to other players. If you have the cash, I would go 83SE just so you can laugh at how good a Blu-Ray player sounds for stereo CD's.

As a point of interest I did a double blind AB test with my 83SE yesterday against a Squeezebox (using internal DAC), Squeeze Box w/ Cambridge Audio DACmagic, and my Rotel RCD-1072.

At the end of the day it stacked like this from worst to first (which I half expected):

Squeeze Box (alone)
Squeeze Box (w/ DACmagic)
Rotel RCD-1072
Oppo BDP-83SE

What was amazing is that going from the Squeeze Box to the Rotel showed improvement for each step, but if you stopped listening for a few minutes it was really tough to tell which was which. But the OPPO just walked over the other three. I could always pick it out as I it was that much better.

Of course what I compared it to are not considered super hi-end products, but the DACmagic costs about $450 CAD and the Rotel about $700 CAD, so the extra $400 premium for the 83SE over the 83 seems justified if you use it for CD over the analogs.

BTW.. The Rotel is about to go up for sale....

[KahunaCanuck]

Thanks for the input guys!

[wettou]

Thanks for the input guys!

So which are you buying!

[KahunaCanuck]

I'll probably just get the regular one...I can't see using the internal DAC...plus if I ever want to this Oppo can go into my Bedroom system and replace my Pioneer later...

[nedkuehn]

I have had the Oppo BDP-83 since release and all I have used is HDMI into the SSP-800. That would be the player to choose. In fact, I do not understand why there are essentially no (except for a Denon unit) Blu-Ray Transports without D/A conversion on the market. I have found that the quality of HDMI cable makes a big difference - especially with PCM signals. The ultimate partner for the SSP-800 would be a BDP-83 as is but without analog audio output stages (like the Classe CDT-300). Or perhaps Classe could drop a BDP-83 without analog ouput stages into a CDT-300 box, and sell it as the Classe CBT-300 for a huge profit (heck it's working for Lexicon).

[Nolan B]

I have had the Oppo BDP-83 since release and all I have used is HDMI into the SSP-800. That would be the player to choose. In fact, I do not understand why there are essentially no (except for a Denon unit) Blu-Ray Transports without D/A conversion on the market. I have found that the quality of HDMI cable makes a big difference - especially with PCM signals. The ultimate partner for the SSP-800 would be a BDP-83 as is but without analog audio output stages (like the Classe CDT-300). Or perhaps Classe could drop a BDP-83 without analog ouput stages into a CDT-300 box, and sell it as the Classe CBT-300 for a huge profit (heck it's working for Lexicon).

Considering all the damage that little stunt did to their brand with the educated only community and buyers I would say its not really "working". Certainly did more damage then good. i would say.

[wettou]

Considering all the damage that little stunt did to their brand with the educated only community and buyers I would say its not really "working". Certainly did more damage then good. i would say.

Well if they disclose it it won't damage anything, the difference is Lexicon tried to pull the rug and lied

[nedkuehn]

Or perhaps Classe could drop a BDP-83 without analog ouput stages into a CDT-300 box, and sell it as the Classe CBT-300 for a huge profit (heck it's working for Lexicon).

Just a nasty poke at Lexicon! I seriously doubt Classe would ever pull such a stunt. But the idea would be interesting using the more robust transport mechanism in the CDT-300.

"Flatterers look like friends, as wolves like dogs." -George Chapman

[KahunaCanuck]

I agree, why nobody is marketing a transport only Universal in this day and age is beyond me.

It reminds me of the video processor debate with the SSP 800, do we really need to have a VP in our source, pro and PJ/Monitor?

If Oppo did a BD83 transport with no analogue, the better power supply and beefy digital/HDMI outs I would buy one.

As it is, my BD83 arrives tomorrow...

[Audio_ElF]

I agree, why nobody is marketing a transport only Universal in this day and age is beyond me.

It reminds me of the video processor debate with the SSP 800, do we really need to have a VP in our source, pro and PJ/Monitor?

If Oppo did a BD83 transport with no analogue, the better power supply and beefy digital/HDMI outs I would buy one.

As it is, my BD83 arrives tomorrow...

Well there is the Oppo BD80 where they've dropped the High End video processing and reduced the analogue capabilities.

Eloise

[nedkuehn]

It reminds me of the video processor debate with the SSP 800, do we really need to have a VP in our source, pro and PJ/Monitor?
If Oppo did a BD83 transport with no analogue, the better power supply and beefy digital/HDMI outs I would buy one.

I certainly would prefer to have video processing outside of the processor to minimize video noise pollution to the audio circuitry (perhaps one reason the SSP-800 has such outstanding audio qualities). I think if Oppo made a BD-83 Universal transport variant with no analogue out but retaining everything else that makes this a great unit, it would sell. Yes, I would also like to see included a highly stable power supply and beefier disc-drive unit as trade-offs for the absence of need for D/A conversion and analoue outs.

[hifiguymi]

In a few years I'll bet you get your wish. I don't think it will be long before analog connections go away and all that will be left is an HDMI connector. It would be cheaper to make a player without any DACs, audio or video, and only one connection. It will happen soon enough.

Eric

[Blue-Eyes]

And....... when you have a great receiver or processor, you won't need analog connections. Use the DAC's in your processor.
A transport is less important with a good HDMI connection (with good jitter handling) as a transport with analog connections.

[wettou]

In a few years I'll bet you get your wish. I don't think it will be long before analog connections go away and all that will be left is an HDMI connector. It would be cheaper to make a player without any DACs, audio or video, and only one connection. It will happen soon enough.

Eric

Well that will be interesting, why do they still put composite and S video ?

That would be fantastic Classé all digital with only HDMi as well!

If CE manufacturer would develop at least one unit with all digital connections that would be great

[KahunaCanuck]

Well I finally had the time to install my Oppo as well as the dual dsp card into my SSP 800...I am thrilled with the results! :T