I am thinking of replacing my Denon 3800 Bluray with the Oppo BD83 (faster loading times and SACD/DVD Audio playback) but am trying to decide which one. While many are raving about the analogue sections of the 83 SE and even the Nuforce edition, I can't imagine that the DACs in those units would sound better than just running the HDMI straight into the SSP 800. Has anyone compared with the 800? Should I just buy the basic one or?
Which Oppo with the SSP 800
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Originally posted by KahunaCanuckI am thinking of replacing my Denon 3800 Bluray with the Oppo BD83 (faster loading times and SACD/DVD Audio playback) but am trying to decide which one. While many are raving about the analogue sections of the 83 SE and even the Nuforce edition, I can't imagine that the DACs in those units would sound better than just running the HDMI straight into the SSP 800. Has anyone compared with the 800? Should I just buy the basic one or?Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Hi KahunaCanuck,
I have a denon3800 & Pioneer lx91(09 USA).
The Pioneer is amazing: the best bluray player never see.
the denon is now out with the 4010 but is vry similar at the 3800: changing with this new 4010 = wasted money!
the oppo in Europa *(Switzerlnad)* is not so "popolar"...but available not easy but available in 83specialEdition and Nuforce...
the contro is the price from the oppo in europa: 83 ca. $-1000 /
83SE $. 1700.- and Nuforce $.2200.-!!!
* a purchssing in the net isssure not so expensive
I will replace the 3800 too but with tis price I think that will be available another solution...
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Thanks Style,
I like my 3800 as well, but the load time is a pain and I would like to be able to play SACD & DVD Audio as well. I am looking for the perfect machine I guess!
The Oppo here is $499, the SE $899. I plan to only use the HDMI out so the SE probably is of no use to me.
I had hoped someone had tried the SE with analogue out for CD compared to HDMI out into the SSP 800, but I guess not.
With Oppo's pricing here I can't see spending a bunch more for a universal blu ray player that nobody seems to see or hear any differences in.- Bottom
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Hallo KahunaCaplayer.
the Oppo 83SE for $. 899.- I think is a great player!!!
Iuse at today with te 3800 asimply hdmi cable: a extra coax. for evt. music..but the difference from Hdmi and ooax is very little!!!!
the oppo 83SE with our price can be a super solution to listen music in analog but the SSP800 Dac's is sure better from what the oppo have inside....
Personaly I choice the 83 se..
like wrote to have a god price for the Oppo I must buy it via Net from the official link or other in nord europa: for ca. $-1200 all taxes ink. is possible have so one...
Like you know Lexicon, Oppo and Theta Blu is always the same player ..only the price is different: oppo à.500 / Lexicon $.3990 and Theta blu $.2990.-
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Originally posted by KahunaCanuckThe Oppo here is $499, the SE $899. I plan to only use the HDMI out so the SE probably is of no use to me.
I had hoped someone had tried the SE with analogue out for CD compared to HDMI out into the SSP 800, but I guess not.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Oppo BDP-83 is enough unless you intend to do analogue
in Switzerland, a purchasing to a "dealer" the 83SE is around $. 1500.-!!! :cry:
Ok, for this money you can forget a new Denon like the 4010 AND the charge
time from a Denon/Pioneer (I have the lx91-09 in USA) is too loooong:
Pirates of Caribbean: with the Oppo 21 second, with the Denon 4010: 1 min. & 4 sec. 8O
pro & contra are sure more but the Oppo is a very good investment.
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Originally posted by wettouOppo BDP-83 is enough unless you intend to do analogueKal Rubinson
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I wish you were close enough and I would let you borrow my 83SE..
As has been said if you are going HDMI there is absolutely no advantage to get the 83SE.
That said, I cannot comment on how the CD performance would compare via the 83SE analog outs vs. the SSP-800.
One thing for sure is the analog outs on the 83SE perform far better then what they cost compared to other players. If you have the cash, I would go 83SE just so you can laugh at how good a Blu-Ray player sounds for stereo CD's.
As a point of interest I did a double blind AB test with my 83SE yesterday against a Squeezebox (using internal DAC), Squeeze Box w/ Cambridge Audio DACmagic, and my Rotel RCD-1072.
At the end of the day it stacked like this from worst to first (which I half expected):
Squeeze Box (alone)
Squeeze Box (w/ DACmagic)
Rotel RCD-1072
Oppo BDP-83SE
What was amazing is that going from the Squeeze Box to the Rotel showed improvement for each step, but if you stopped listening for a few minutes it was really tough to tell which was which. But the OPPO just walked over the other three. I could always pick it out as I it was that much better.
Of course what I compared it to are not considered super hi-end products, but the DACmagic costs about $450 CAD and the Rotel about $700 CAD, so the extra $400 premium for the 83SE over the 83 seems justified if you use it for CD over the analogs.
BTW.. The Rotel is about to go up for sale....Main System:
B&W 801D
Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
Oppo BDP-105
Squeezebox Touch
Second System:
B&W CM7
Emotiva UMC-1
Emotiva UPA-2
Oppo BDP-83SE
Grant Fidelity DAC-09
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I'll probably just get the regular one...I can't see using the internal DAC...plus if I ever want to this Oppo can go into my Bedroom system and replace my Pioneer later...- Bottom
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I have had the Oppo BDP-83 since release and all I have used is HDMI into the SSP-800. That would be the player to choose. In fact, I do not understand why there are essentially no (except for a Denon unit) Blu-Ray Transports without D/A conversion on the market. I have found that the quality of HDMI cable makes a big difference - especially with PCM signals. The ultimate partner for the SSP-800 would be a BDP-83 as is but without analog audio output stages (like the Classe CDT-300). Or perhaps Classe could drop a BDP-83 without analog ouput stages into a CDT-300 box, and sell it as the Classe CBT-300 for a huge profit (heck it's working for Lexicon).- Bottom
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Originally posted by nedkuehnI have had the Oppo BDP-83 since release and all I have used is HDMI into the SSP-800. That would be the player to choose. In fact, I do not understand why there are essentially no (except for a Denon unit) Blu-Ray Transports without D/A conversion on the market. I have found that the quality of HDMI cable makes a big difference - especially with PCM signals. The ultimate partner for the SSP-800 would be a BDP-83 as is but without analog audio output stages (like the Classe CDT-300). Or perhaps Classe could drop a BDP-83 without analog ouput stages into a CDT-300 box, and sell it as the Classe CBT-300 for a huge profit (heck it's working for Lexicon).
Considering all the damage that little stunt did to their brand with the educated only community and buyers I would say its not really "working". Certainly did more damage then good. i would say.- Bottom
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Originally posted by Nolan BConsidering all the damage that little stunt did to their brand with the educated only community and buyers I would say its not really "working". Certainly did more damage then good. i would say.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Or perhaps Classe could drop a BDP-83 without analog ouput stages into a CDT-300 box, and sell it as the Classe CBT-300 for a huge profit (heck it's working for Lexicon).
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I agree, why nobody is marketing a transport only Universal in this day and age is beyond me.
It reminds me of the video processor debate with the SSP 800, do we really need to have a VP in our source, pro and PJ/Monitor?
If Oppo did a BD83 transport with no analogue, the better power supply and beefy digital/HDMI outs I would buy one.
As it is, my BD83 arrives tomorrow...- Bottom
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Originally posted by KahunaCanuckI agree, why nobody is marketing a transport only Universal in this day and age is beyond me.
It reminds me of the video processor debate with the SSP 800, do we really need to have a VP in our source, pro and PJ/Monitor?
If Oppo did a BD83 transport with no analogue, the better power supply and beefy digital/HDMI outs I would buy one.
As it is, my BD83 arrives tomorrow...
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It reminds me of the video processor debate with the SSP 800, do we really need to have a VP in our source, pro and PJ/Monitor?
If Oppo did a BD83 transport with no analogue, the better power supply and beefy digital/HDMI outs I would buy one.- Bottom
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In a few years I'll bet you get your wish. I don't think it will be long before analog connections go away and all that will be left is an HDMI connector. It would be cheaper to make a player without any DACs, audio or video, and only one connection. It will happen soon enough.
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And....... when you have a great receiver or processor, you won't need analog connections. Use the DAC's in your processor.
A transport is less important with a good HDMI connection (with good jitter handling) as a transport with analog connections.------------------------------------------------------
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Originally posted by hifiguymiIn a few years I'll bet you get your wish. I don't think it will be long before analog connections go away and all that will be left is an HDMI connector. It would be cheaper to make a player without any DACs, audio or video, and only one connection. It will happen soon enough.
Eric
That would be fantastic Classé all digital with only HDMi as well!
If CE manufacturer would develop at least one unit with all digital connections that would be greatFarming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Well I finally had the time to install my Oppo as well as the dual dsp card into my SSP 800...I am thrilled with the results! :T- Bottom
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