Classé Blu-Ray player?

[RebelMan]

someone got any news info about a blu-ray player from Classé?
Is it possible they present anything at CEDIA 09 ?

Need a good design match with my ssp-800/ca-m400 8)

Sorry to say this will likely never happen. Classe' is intent on bettering what they can with pre's/pro's and amplifiers. There are too many variables and options in play with today's sources and content providers for Classe' to make an investment in either way. It's the sad reality of today's trends.

[planitismetal]

Sorry to say this will likely never happen. Classe' is intent on bettering what they can with pre's/pro's and amplifiers. There are too many variables and options in play with today's sources and content providers for Classe' to make an investment in either way. It's the sad reality of today's trends.

Dum Spiro Spero ancient latin (means "While I breathe, I hope" :amen: )

[wettou]

This has been confirmed by a beta tester.

Cool get me one

[style]

with around 100'000 DVD standard available contra 9'500 in Bluray
is very hard a new coming from Classe Bluray player from Classe.....

and not only from Classè, all the Big (Krell, Mc, Meridian, HK group,...)
make the same marketing strategi...



Style

[Blue-Eyes]

Goldmund has made one......

14.000 euro's in Europe, there is at least one high-end manufacturer who's building BR players.

[wettou]

Sorry to say this will likely never happen. Classe' is intent on bettering what they can with pre's/pro's and amplifiers. There are too many variables and options in play with today's sources and content providers for Classe' to make an investment in either way. It's the sad reality of today's trends.

I suggested to Classé to take the New Oppo Universal player upgrade it and encase it in their DVD box it would look nice. :B

[Nolan B]

I suggested to Classé to take the New Oppo Universal player upgrade it and encase it in their DVD box it would look nice. :B

I would so buy that in a heart beat.

[planitismetal]

Goldmund has made one......

14.000 euro's in Europe, there is at least one high-end manufacturer who's building BR players.

I have seen it in the site, and it is very nice... But, 14.000€ is too much... Yes, it is Goldmund, but....

[Nolan B]

I have seen it in the site, and it is very nice... But, 14.000€ is too much... Yes, it is Goldmund, but....

If its like previous Goldmund players technically its just panasonic in a Goldmund case.

[wettou]

If its like previous Goldmund players technically its just panasonic in a Goldmund case.

Yes OEM they all do this at least a lot of them Class D amplification anyone

B&O ICE module, Rotel, BelCanto, Rowland Audio, Linn.....

[style]

Hallo,
for the Bluray the road dont go with Classe, Accustic Arts, Plinius, DCS or so big brand...

we have a great Classe pre and amplification but for the movie with have the Pioneer lx91, Denon 3800bd, Sony 5000es and others...

for music well, here we can speak from very state of the art....

Style

[Nolan B]

Yes OEM they all do this at least a lot of them Class D amplification anyone

B&O ICE module, Rotel, BelCanto, Rowland Audio, Linn.....

yes but one coule argue the a B&O ICE module is worth what Rotel is asking, and itsnot like B&O has an amp you can buy direct from them.

I the case of Goldmond you are just thousands more for something you can get from panasonic.

[ryst]

Had to write it. It still pisses me off that Classé don't provide the market with a BD player or at least a transport. I want a silent player, no fans and a quick drive.

[Mark-n-b]

I think a CD/DVD/BD player from Classe would be a very interesting unit.

[style]

Hi Mark-n-b,

sure the new Denon player will be no bad...if can all what we read today...

but i s a personally choice

a cd player "turn" not at the same "higher/fast" like a dvd player....
(dvd more info inside)

1. cd - sacd for music
2. a dvd/ BD player only for movie.

a great dvd player have a different cost from a great cd player!!!
if you buy a dvd with a realta chip inside will be not very expensive and give you nice pictures...a CD player (like Nagra, DCS, Esoteris,Ayre, accustic arts)
wow the price do very high! (but the performance too)

Style

[Mark-n-b]

Hi Mark-n-b,

sure the new Denon player will be no bad...if can all what we read today...

but i s a personally choice

a cd player "turn" not at the same "higher/fast" like a dvd player....
(dvd more info inside)

1. cd - sacd for music
2. a dvd/ BD player only for movie.

a great dvd player have a different cost from a great cd player!!!
if you buy a dvd with a realta chip inside will be not very expensive and give you nice pictures...a CD player (like Nagra, DCS, Esoteris,Ayre, accustic arts)
wow the price do very high! (but the performance too)

Style

Style,

Sometimes I find your posts a bit difficult to follow - but if I do follow correctly then I believe that you mean that CD (SACD/DVD-A) players should be kept separate from DVD-V/BD players?

I think you are correct, but still I believe that it should be possible to cross over CD, DVD and BD into a single unit and still get outstanding picture and sound quality - not least because some music is supplied on DVD and BD!

Classe did it with their CDP-300 for CD and DVD. As I said, including BD would make a very interesting product in my opinion, even if it was just as a transport!

[style]

Hi Mark,

you have correct understand:a cd player ONLY for music and another only for the dvd-bluray....

I have buyed the Pioneer LX91: is a superd dvd/bluray and cd player too!

I say only that a cd player is made ONLY for music = a CD player is built / designed for music CDs.
then the target is to get a super cd player ...

A DVD for DVD and then for the music...
Well we speak from cd-player around $10000.- (from....)
the dvd are not so expensive and give you very great performance: a denon or marantz with realty, silicon,... chip can you have for $. 2000 and the have great pictures.

the Classe CDP/CDT300 is no bad. in the forun we have write a lot over this player...with one SSP800 the CDP in not necessary!: the SSP make all the work. you dont go use the decoder from inside the CDP!!! is like a reserve wheels from auto... if you go make another system in anothe room the CDP is sure more flexible but connect at the SSP you have the same sound from the CDP and CDT!.
I have tested the CDT and CDP but (in Swizerland the price is CDP chf.11750.-/CT chf. 8600.-) and really dont pay so much money spend..

AV-OCD (tim) had a CDP300: sold...with a SSP800and a digital connection (HDMI) but with a analog cables the sound dont change much...

OR?

Style

[Nolan B]

I sent an email letting Classe know I would be interested in an universal all digital transport. Maybe if enough people ask they will look into it.

[Mark-n-b]

Hi Mark,

sorry for my english...

No need to appologise!

[style]

Mark,

you have a CDP or CDT 300?

for you (pictures quality) give a performance from a player from
chf. 11750/£.?

you dont think to have better PQ with a player from £. 1000or so like that?

Style

[Mark-n-b]

Mark,

you have a CDP or CDT 300?

for you (pictures quality) give a performance from a player from
chf. 11750/£.?

you dont think to have better PQ with a player from £. 1000or so like that?

Style

Personally I prefer to have a single source for CD/DVD/BD but I agree totally that buying a better dedicated CD player will yield better results for CD. But this thread is about a Classe BD player and I think they should go ahead and make one since BD is here to stay!

Also, since you mentioned the Denon player, I expect the SQ of CD using that player will be astounding through the XLRs - I think it is going to make some people "realign" their attitude towards the brand.

Mark

[style]

Personally I prefer to have a single source for CD/DVD/BD but I agree totally that buying a better dedicated CD player

I agree too...in a part now with the Pioneer LX91 I have very great PQ.
sound from movie is too much differente vs. my "old" Sony bluray player...
This Pioneer LX91 sound with CD music very good too, Ok a Classe CDT/CDP300 will be superior in sound but with SD the classe in not at the level....
from here a separate cd player if you like listen music is not a "muss"/extra"
make sure sense and the differente.
with a "simply" CD player from $. 1000.- you go have better sound.

the new coming Denon (CD.DVD.BR.SACD) xlr,Hdmi,... will be the first really "all in one", before say a "verdict" I will have more info, test, make really all waht promised??? and the same product from other Brand will ve available later fron the Denon but before the release they go make a marketing study...
We climbed the mountain to get readers' high-level , now we have to see the response of consumers.
When you're on top of the mountain take the step that makes you fall it's easy ....Or?
what is your ratio music/movie?
(I make 70/30 movie/music, before was 90/10 but in the last time I listen always more/I have more enjoy the listen cd music...)

Style

[wettou]

Oppo BDP-83 universal Blu Ray in a Classé Enclosing
Can you find a Classé Shell anywhere?

[Blue-Eyes]

I personally don't believe in High End all in one players.

Results so far indicated that the BR players at this moment are not very great at DVD, not to mention CD play (very bad).

CD player plays an CD as best as it can, a DVD player plays DVD's as best as possible. A all in one player makes always comprises.

I decided to have a dedicated CD player (CDP300) and a later on a high-end BR player. Fot the time being I have a Sony 550 BR player, but I'll play the DVD's on my CDP300.

I wonder when there a BR players who outperform the CDP300. Then I will trade in my Sony.

[style]

@Blue-Eyes,

I agree with you.
but the CDP300 is a good sound player but for a pictures dont is better as one Denon3930, pioneer 989, ...--> realta, sylicon chip!
High end will be 2 channel ONLY music no HT system for my.

with a cdp102 or 202 you have a good sound like or better from your 300.
a cd player like DCS Puccini, Nagra CDP,...are a high end product.

Style

[RebelMan]

I sent an email letting Classe know I would be interested in an universal all digital transport. Maybe if enough people ask they will look into it.

Your are tenacious Nolan I'll say that much for you. :P

I concur with much of the discussion in this post. It would be nice, very nice, to have a Classe' BDP or BDT if for no other reason than esthetics suiting. (I happen to like the Bentley inspired C300 beden. ) But try as one might, it's just not in the cards.

It's not that Classe' can't produce a BDP/BDT it's that they won't. They could rebrand/rebadge some other device and charge a (reasonable $2K-$3K) premium than many would likely be willing to swallow provided that performance doesn't suffer in the process. But while I am disappointed with Classe's choice not to pursue the idea I do understand the business position they've taken at this point in time to justify it.

Whether you agree with it or not Classe' will not choose to do anything just for the sake of doing it or to demonstrate to the high-end crowd that they can. They will only do what they think is right for the times and only when they have some control over the technology that they see is necessary to implement their audio philosophies.

Blu-ray specifications and implementations are very tightly controlled by the consortium that established them. It is this grip on the technology that suppresses boutique companies like Classe' from creating an individual product striking against the core of their business intentions. Taken together with the number of different content provisions and sources like DVD, VOD and Video Streaming it's anybody's guess whether Blu-ray will reach mainstream penetration. Blu-ray is still relatively niche but it is gaining momentum and its future looks promising but its certainty is still a gamble at this point and Classe' isn't willing to bet on it just yet.

[Nolan B]

Your are tenacious Nolan I'll say that much for you. :P

I concur with much of the discussion in this post. It would be nice, very nice, to have a Classe' BDP or BDT if for no other reason than esthetics suiting. (I happen to like the Bentley inspired C300 beden. ) But try as one might, it's just not in the cards.

It's not that Classe' can't produce a BDP/BDT it's that they won't. They could rebrand/rebadge some other device and charge a (reasonable $2K-$3K) premium than many would likely be willing to swallow provided that performance doesn't suffer in the process. But while I am disappointed with Classe's choice not to pursue the idea I do understand the business position they've taken at this point in time to justify it.

The reality is I am just giving Classe the feedback I am sure they value and what most other companies pay to get which is "what do our customers want to buy".

Having said that I complete understand and even more importanly respect the reason Classe is choosing to not make a BD player. Its SO refreshing to hear a CE company respond the way they did.

Hello,
I am a new Classe customer. I just bought the 5100, and I am looking
at either getting the SSP 800 or new slightly lesser model should you
come out with one. I would however like to express my interest in you
releasing a BD player. I realize that because of the nature of the
format it may be difficult to create anything better then a PS3, but
even as a digital transport I would find great value in
matching my equipment. I am interested in a universal digital
transport. It would be great if you could rebage and tweek the new
Oppo player and put it in your shell. If it was purely a digital
transport with HDMI only I would happily invest 3-4k for this
product.
Hopefully you get enough people asking to add it to your future
plans.

Thank You


Nolan



Hello Nolan

May I first thank you for your investment in our CA-5100. We are
very proud of it.

Our previous generation of processors did consist of two products,
the SSP-300 and SSP-600, at different price points. The initial plan
for our new generation of processors was to copy this strategy but
it became rapidly clear that technology had advanced in a way that
made it very difficult to design a high performance processor for
less than $10,000 US.

We therefore decided to focus on a single, aggressively priced
processor that would be the best in the world. The result was the
SSP-800.

In these circumstances, I do not recommend that you delay an
investment in an SSP-800 in the expectation that we will develop a
processor at a different price point.

You are very well informed on our Blu Ray strategy and I can confirm
that this strategy has not changed. We do not intend to develop a
player.

We value our customers trust and want them to be proud of our
products. I therefore sincerely hope that you are proud of your
CA-5100, and that you will take pride in your SSP-800 should you
chose to invest in one.

However, it would be difficult to be proud of paying $3-4k for a
$500 player. Furthermore, it would be difficult for me and my
colleagues to sell such a product to customers who we respect.

We therefore do not intend to rebadge a competitor's product and
sell it at an inflated price.

I hope this seems reasonable but please do not hesitate to contact
me with any queries.

Best wishes

Tom


A response like that not only makes me like my Classe purchase more, but has solidified that I will only invest in Classe going froward.


Its amazing how different Classe is from other brands.

[RebelMan]

The reality is I am just giving Classe the feedback I am sure they value and what most other companies pay to get which is "what do our customers want to buy".

And you should. I have.

Having said that I complete understand and even more importanly respect the reason Classe is choosing to not make a BD player. Its SO refreshing to hear a CE company respond the way they did.

I am happy to read that you see that way. As you know it's what I've been saying about Classe' for some time now. BTW, belated congrats on your CA-5100. :T

[wettou]

I had a very similar response from Classé, they have chosen not to have a blu ray player. May be if and when Blu Ray takes over DVD and that is coming then they might decide to do a blu ray player. But I think that with everything being digital and 1080p resolution they would not be able to improve on the Oppo BDP83. Since HDMi 1.3 allows the Classé SSP-800 to convert the digital signal to analogue there is no need for a high end player in audio a pure transport is sufficient.

March is the new date for the new codec release I sure hope this date is firm and not like when they released the SSP-800 with 4 months delays...

[Nolan B]

And you should. I have.

I am happy to read that you see that way. As you know it's what I've been saying about Classe' for some time now.

Its true you have. I have never believed in the "value" some other brands are trying to push. I would however be willing to support a brand like classe because of their honesty, performance and build quality. If you really think about it thou it doesnt make sense for Classe to make a BD player as much as i want them to.

BTW, belated congrats on your CA-5100. :T

Thanks!...Its easily the best piece I have bought for my HT. I find it to be the best value I have invested in.

As I said before I have decided to only buy classe from now on.

[sikoniko]

Its true you have. I have never believed in the "value" some other brands are trying to push. I would however be willing to support a brand like classe because of their honesty, performance and build quality. If you really think about it thou it doesnt make sense for Classe to make a BD player as much as i want them to.



Thanks!...Its easily the best piece I have bought for my HT. I find it to be the best value I have invested in.

As I said before I have decided to only buy classe from now on.

Fanboy! :T

j/k. :B

welcome to the club of believers. I am very greatful to Classe for their level of service. That goes a very long way in my book. The fact that I can communicate to them in a very open way is refreshing. I feel like they care about their customers and everything they do is done with careful thought and great pride in delivering the best product they can. Few companies have this level of service. Dave has said on many occasions that they welcome their customers to contact them for any reason. They have a very open door policy in that way.

[beden1]

I concur with much of the discussion in this post. It would be nice, very nice, to have a Classe' BDP or BDT if for no other reason than esthetics suiting. (I happen to like the Bentley inspired C300 beden. )

To each their own. I just prefer things that are not trying to be something they are not! :takecover:

[RebelMan]

To each their own. I just prefer things that are not trying to be something they are not! :takecover:

Cliche' as it is imitation is the highest form of flattery but I agree there is something to be said about originality. Preferences go hand in hand with exceptions. :W

[Nolan B]

Blu-ray specifications and implementations are very tightly controlled by the consortium that established them. It is this grip on the technology that suppresses boutique companies like Classe' from creating an individual product striking against the core of their business intentions. Taken together with the number of different content provisions and sources like DVD, VOD and Video Streaming it's anybody's guess whether Blu-ray will reach mainstream penetration. Blu-ray is still relatively niche but it is gaining momentum and its future looks promising but its certainty is still a gamble at this point and Classe' isn't willing to bet on it just yet.

I just re-read your post and had a question. When you say the "BD specs and implementations are very tightly controlled" What specifically do you mean by that and how does that suppress boutique companies?

Are you saying that if the specs werent so tightly controlled a boutique companies like Classe could make a BDP or BDT that could/would be noticeably better then a PS3?