HD DVD and Blue-ray content to be downrezed for analog displays

**Shane Martin** · 23 January 2006, 16:08 Monday

The trick is: it's up to the studios to decide if the content will be downrezzed or not.

There is a flag in the player and if it's set to yes by the disc then it will downrezz, if the flag is no, then it won't.

That said Fox, Paramount and Disney are all wanting to set the flag to yes. Warner is the only one I know of that doesn't support it.

**Kevin P** · 23 January 2006, 16:19 Monday

Well, when Warner's discs sell a lot more than Fox, Paramount and Disney's, maybe they'll get a clue.

In the meantime, someone will develop a workaround, legal or not.

**Shane Martin** · 23 January 2006, 16:41 Monday

In the meantime, someone will develop a workaround, legal or not.

The work around is not necessarily possible given how they implemented ICT in these future players. It's all tied to a key and that key can be revoked.

**Kevin P** · 23 January 2006, 16:54 Monday

Anything that can be done by technology, can be undone by technology.

**aud19** · 23 January 2006, 17:32 Monday

I think Thomas...maybe Jon... already mentioned a work around...:lol:

**Shane Martin** · 23 January 2006, 17:53 Monday

It's called an external adaptor.

**aud19** · 23 January 2006, 17:54 Monday

Originally posted by Shane Martin

It's called an external adaptor.

That'd be the one

:rofl:

**George Bellefontaine** · 24 January 2006, 12:22 Tuesday

I don't know why studios are so worried about pirates and hi-def. Those folks buying pirated vids ( probably shot with a camcorder in a theater) could care less about quality. I think what they are really worried about is HT afficiendos like us who may rent and copy rather than buy. Hell, if prices are kept reasonable, why bother to copy anyway ?

**caleb** · 24 January 2006, 12:51 Tuesday

Originally posted by George Bellefontaine

I don't know why studios are so worried about pirates and hi-def. Those folks buying pirated vids ( probably shot with a camcorder in a theater) could care less about quality. I think what they are really worried about is HT afficiendos like us who may rent and copy rather than buy. Hell, if prices are kept reasonable, why bother to copy anyway ?

Never a truer word spoken George!

Over here we get ripped off by the greedy film distibutors that:

A) Keep you waiting for months after the official DVD release elsewhere.

For example Hitch hikers guide was released in the cinemas in Europe FOUR MONTHS before we got it here.

B) Charge a bloody fortune for the DVDs, some of which are of dubious quality.

If you got rid of A & B - then why copy?

I have absolutely no qualms about copying or getting pirates.

**Shane Martin** · 24 January 2006, 12:52 Tuesday

Hell, if prices are kept reasonable, why bother to copy anyway ?

Because free is much better than paying real money for something. People can be very cheap.

**Kevin P** · 24 January 2006, 12:56 Tuesday

It's not piracy they're trying to combat, that's just a cover story. They're trying to gain absolute control over what, when, and how you can view their content. They can specify whether you can time-shift that movie on HBO, how long you can keep it once you've recorded it, and what type of TV you can watch that HD-DVD on. Once they foist that on the unsuspecting public, expect to see a DIVX-like scheme revisited where you pay per each view.

That's why we should fight this tooth and nail. It's not about protection of their IP from piracy--the pirates will copy the stuff no matter what--it's about kissing our fair use goodbye.

What's ironic is, the more restrictions the studios place on legitimate content, the better the pirated versions become. Imagine down the road, being able to buy a fully legal HD-DVD of Star Wars that gets downrezzed on your TV, or download a pirate copy for free that plays in full HD glory. As it is, with CD protection schemes, downloading sometimes gets you a more useful product than if you buy the CD with all the restrictions.

The content owners are shooting themselves in the foot.

**Chris D** · 24 January 2006, 14:04 Tuesday

(sigh) I'm just weary of these types of issues.

**aud19** · 24 January 2006, 14:31 Tuesday

Originally posted by Kevin P

It's not piracy they're trying to combat, that's just a cover story. They're trying to gain absolute control over what, when, and how you can view their content. They can specify whether you can time-shift that movie on HBO, how long you can keep it once you've recorded it, and what type of TV you can watch that HD-DVD on. Once they foist that on the unsuspecting public, expect to see a DIVX-like scheme revisited where you pay per each view.

That's why we should fight this tooth and nail. It's not about protection of their IP from piracy--the pirates will copy the stuff no matter what--it's about kissing our fair use goodbye.

What's ironic is, the more restrictions the studios place on legitimate content, the better the pirated versions become. Imagine down the road, being able to buy a fully legal HD-DVD of Star Wars that gets downrezzed on your TV, or download a pirate copy for free that plays in full HD glory. As it is, with CD protection schemes, downloading sometimes gets you a more useful product than if you buy the CD with all the restrictions.

The content owners are shooting themselves in the foot.

As much as I don't like the idea of advocating piracy, I totally agree with Kevin. The studios (music and movies) are taking their own bad situations and making them worse. All they're accomplishing is alienating and annoying the people they hope to sell to. That = bad business strategy IMO

**NMyTree** · 27 January 2006, 10:37 Friday

Originally posted by Kevin P

It's not piracy they're trying to combat, that's just a cover story. They're trying to gain absolute control over what, when, and how you can view their content. They can specify whether you can time-shift that movie on HBO, how long you can keep it once you've recorded it, and what type of TV you can watch that HD-DVD on. Once they foist that on the unsuspecting public, expect to see a DIVX-like scheme revisited where you pay per each view.

That's why we should fight this tooth and nail. It's not about protection of their IP from piracy--the pirates will copy the stuff no matter what--it's about kissing our fair use goodbye.

Exactly!

This has been their goal....their agenda for a very long time. They want us to pay some cash, every time we want to watch one of their movies in our home. They have orgasms over their dreams of a Pay-For-Every-Viewing format, for every one of us that buy the hardcopy of their movies.

I'm of the opinion that ultimately what the "Studios" really want to do, is do away with hardcopies , completely. I think what they want to do is once Hi-Def Digital becomes established as the standard broadcasting format and analog is eliminated completely; they want to establish interactive "Studio" channels where we would have to order viewings of their movies, just like we do today with Pay-Per-View .......with all of our local cable TV providers.

I believe that they believe this approach would eliminate pirating of their movies. As we all know, it's impossible to pirate cable or satelite TV:roll::roll:

Greed, control and power are the motivations for the majority of the Studios.

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