There seems to be a lot of talk lately on what bass management should or should not be doing. It also seems that there are a lot of assumptions being made about what, where and how this BM should be invoked. I came across a few links that are interesting and suggest that the problem isn't with X but with Y or Z etc....food for thought.
Soundpro's discussion
Polks discussion
And here's what Rotel has to say about their processors and the way they do BM
The Mystery of Bass Management
Bass Management is a subject that even the best music engineers don't always seem to know a whole lot about, and is easily misunderstood or simply missed.
The majority of music discs prepared for playback using DVD-A and SACD do not have a LFE point-one track. The rule in the studio is if you are mixing music don't put anything in the point-one track. This extrapolates to assuming that the user will be using five full range loudspeakers or equivalent.
Today's 5.1 systems have developed from surround audio configurations originally designed for movie theater applications, and they bring with them a number of oddities some of which are not particularly appropriate either for modern digital audio distribution, nor for music mixing. The LFE point-one track is an example.
"LFE" stands for "Low Frequency Effects," and "Effects" means "sound effects." To allow the reproduction of powerful sub bass effects in analog movie soundtracks asteroids crashing into the Earth and dinosaur footfalls for example it was necessary to assign such signals their own channel to minimize intermodulation distortion and other unwanted artifacts, and maximize headroom.
The home theater revolution, however, has been founded on digital, and not analog, audio. Intermodulation of extreme bass with other channels does not happen. Not only that: all the channels have a complete low end you can put almost any amount of bass on any channel you like without problems.
The nearest you might get must be recording real cannons for Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, as Telarc did a year or two ago when they recorded their new version for SACD and DVD Audio release. But the new 1812 like several Telarc recordings and some from other companies uses the point-one track at least in part to carry height information. [Checkout Telarc's Michael Bishop's article on the height LFE channel in our May/June 2002 issue of Surround Sound Professional.] "With Bass Management," says the blurb in the disc booklet, "the LFE channel from the disc is redundant!”
The purpose of bass management is to ensure that whatever channel bass is on, it is fed to speakers that can handle it. There are many different speaker configurations that a consumer replay system might have, from five full range speakers and no sub to four tiny little boxes with a hefty powered subwoofer in the corner. Even a system with five full range speakers needs bass management to ensure that any T Rex footfalls that appear only in the LFE make it to the speakers that are actually present.
Bass management can only be implemented in the digital domain so that for bass redirection to occur in multi-channel music recordings it would have to be done in the DVD player and not the receiver/processor. The receiver/processor has bass management for the incoming digital signals recorded in Dolby 5.1 or dts it cannot be applied to the six channel analog input.
Nobody at home will know if there is nothing in the LFE: if they have a sub and put their ear to it, they will hear something (the bass from all the other channels: bass management in action) so you can't tell. If the sub-woofer is intrusive then simply switch off the woofer when listening to music discs.
The golden rule is to make sure that the speakers you choose for your system are five full range units and if for any reason you have been sold some of those nasty little satellite speakers that cannot reproduce bass hook then up with the sub-woofer as in a stereo setup. Then later add a real sub-woofer for the video discs in your life.
Soundpro's discussion
Polks discussion
And here's what Rotel has to say about their processors and the way they do BM
The Mystery of Bass Management
Bass Management is a subject that even the best music engineers don't always seem to know a whole lot about, and is easily misunderstood or simply missed.
The majority of music discs prepared for playback using DVD-A and SACD do not have a LFE point-one track. The rule in the studio is if you are mixing music don't put anything in the point-one track. This extrapolates to assuming that the user will be using five full range loudspeakers or equivalent.
Today's 5.1 systems have developed from surround audio configurations originally designed for movie theater applications, and they bring with them a number of oddities some of which are not particularly appropriate either for modern digital audio distribution, nor for music mixing. The LFE point-one track is an example.
"LFE" stands for "Low Frequency Effects," and "Effects" means "sound effects." To allow the reproduction of powerful sub bass effects in analog movie soundtracks asteroids crashing into the Earth and dinosaur footfalls for example it was necessary to assign such signals their own channel to minimize intermodulation distortion and other unwanted artifacts, and maximize headroom.
The home theater revolution, however, has been founded on digital, and not analog, audio. Intermodulation of extreme bass with other channels does not happen. Not only that: all the channels have a complete low end you can put almost any amount of bass on any channel you like without problems.
The nearest you might get must be recording real cannons for Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, as Telarc did a year or two ago when they recorded their new version for SACD and DVD Audio release. But the new 1812 like several Telarc recordings and some from other companies uses the point-one track at least in part to carry height information. [Checkout Telarc's Michael Bishop's article on the height LFE channel in our May/June 2002 issue of Surround Sound Professional.] "With Bass Management," says the blurb in the disc booklet, "the LFE channel from the disc is redundant!”
The purpose of bass management is to ensure that whatever channel bass is on, it is fed to speakers that can handle it. There are many different speaker configurations that a consumer replay system might have, from five full range speakers and no sub to four tiny little boxes with a hefty powered subwoofer in the corner. Even a system with five full range speakers needs bass management to ensure that any T Rex footfalls that appear only in the LFE make it to the speakers that are actually present.
Bass management can only be implemented in the digital domain so that for bass redirection to occur in multi-channel music recordings it would have to be done in the DVD player and not the receiver/processor. The receiver/processor has bass management for the incoming digital signals recorded in Dolby 5.1 or dts it cannot be applied to the six channel analog input.
Nobody at home will know if there is nothing in the LFE: if they have a sub and put their ear to it, they will hear something (the bass from all the other channels: bass management in action) so you can't tell. If the sub-woofer is intrusive then simply switch off the woofer when listening to music discs.
The golden rule is to make sure that the speakers you choose for your system are five full range units and if for any reason you have been sold some of those nasty little satellite speakers that cannot reproduce bass hook then up with the sub-woofer as in a stereo setup. Then later add a real sub-woofer for the video discs in your life.
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