I am wondering if any one has tried to compare side by side 802 D with Classé CAM-400 vs CA-2200 and is it worth the upgrade?
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I had the chance to listen to both, but not during the same listening session and also at different dealers. Front end was the same, CP-500 and CDP-102. The best way to describe the 2200 session was "restrained". There were no real short commings in any particular part of the range, it just felt like the speakers were being held back. It was still very good but it didn't blow me away.
I commented on this to my dealer, he indicated that is a common complaint with the 802's. He normally did not have m400's hooked up to the 802's but did that day with the above electronics. To my ears, it was substantially better, wow factor definitely achieved as this set up absolutely blew me away. The speakers just opened up and showed their glory.
Worth it? Only you can decide for sure but the difference impressed the hell out me.
YMMV.
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I haven't heard the two back to back on 802Ds but I have on 803Ds and the CA-M400s are noticeably better. As Norm pointed out, the CA-M400s are more effortless. The bass had better pitch definition and speed and the rest of the audio band was more open. By comparison the CA-M400s sounded like you were listening more to the music and less to the system. My customer was more than happy with the upgrade and didn't regret spending the money one bit.
To be honest, I was a little concerned the upgrade was going to be small and not knock his socks off. I was very surprised at the difference myself and with 802Ds I think you should give it serious consideration.
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Originally posted by hifiguymiI haven't heard the two back to back on 802Ds but I have on 803Ds and the CA-M400s are noticeably better. As Norm pointed out, the CA-M400s are more effortless. The bass had better pitch definition and speed and the rest of the audio band was more open. By comparison the CA-M400s sounded like you were listening more to the music and less to the system. My customer was more than happy with the upgrade and didn't regret spending the money one bit.
To be honest, I was a little concerned the upgrade was going to be small and not knock his socks off. I was very surprised at the difference myself and with 802Ds I think you should give it serious consideration.
EricFarming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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I've not listened to a CA-2200 bridged but I'd upgrade to the CA-M400s before I'd bi-amp with CA-2200s. The CA-M400 is a fully balanced amp front to back and that has to contribute to it's sense of ease. The CA-M400 has the same two amps modules that the CA-2200 has but they are in a balanced configuration. You won't get that bi-amping with two CA-2200s.
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I'm with hifiguymi on this one. My opinion would be to upgrade to the CA-M400s and get more power to feed the 802D's.
Here's something positive on the 802D's being driven by the CA-M400 mono's:
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Originally posted by wettouI am wondering if any one has tried to compare side by side 802 D with Classé CAM-400 vs CA-2200 and is it worth the upgrade?- Bottom
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Originally posted by DM3000 OwnerDidn't you have the CAM 350s before? There is a pair for sale for a very low price on Audiogon right now.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Has anyone Tried using 2 Bryston 7B amps on 802D's,I can't imagine they would be wanting for more power than that.I have said gear but have never tried it.Curious if anyone has and with what result.A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyHas anyone Tried using 2 Bryston 7B amps on 802D's,I can't imagine they would be wanting for more power than that.I have said gear but have never tried it.Curious if anyone has and with what result.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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[QUOTE=wettou]I tried the Electrocompaniet Nemo 600W and it was amazing! Just I have heard that there are way too many issues with reliability!![/QUOTH
Hi.....Are your referring to Bryston amps?Assuming you used Bryston amps?If so may I ask which amp?Or the Speakers giving you the problems?Maybe if possible you could go into some detail about what gear you used and the problems you encountered?A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.- Bottom
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Originally posted by wettouI have the CA-5200 so if I get CAM400 I have to buy three new amps where as if I get a CA-3200 I can either bi-amp or bridge it is also a lot less $$$$
I'm sick of looking at them for that low price.- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyHas anyone Tried using 2 Bryston 7B amps on 802D's,I can't imagine they would be wanting for more power than that.I have said gear but have never tried it.Curious if anyone has and with what result.
I had a party one night and really pushed them, more than I had ever before but everyone was drinking and dancing. Still plenty of power for sustained 100+ DB use. Funny, my wife said "it wasn't that loud." They just never heard music loud without all of the distortion and harshness from horns in a club.
I didn't see that you already have the Brystons. Try them out, they are great and actually very simiar to the Classe amps. I compared them in my living room and the were more similar than different. I posted about this before.- Bottom
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Originally posted by wettouI tried the Electrocompaniet Nemo 600W and it was amazing! Just I have heard that there are way too many issues with reliability!!
I am driving my 800Ds with two Nemos and I really like the result.
As for the Brystons aren't the 7BSSTs the same amps as those inside a 14BSST? I own a 14BSST that I use for my HTM1D but have never tried running my 800Ds with it...- Bottom
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Originally posted by beden1I love my CAM-350's powering my 803Ds, and would use them to power 802Ds if I ever get them, but, I don't think Wettou likes the looks of them.
Very Industrial Looking :TFarming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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[QUOTE=1oldguy]Originally posted by wettouI tried the Electrocompaniet Nemo 600W and it was amazing! Just I have heard that there are way too many issues with reliability!![/QUOTH
Hi.....Are your referring to Bryston amps?Assuming you used Bryston amps?If so may I ask which amp?Or the Speakers giving you the problems?Maybe if possible you could go into some detail about what gear you used and the problems you encountered?
Just in case you missed the post.If you would be so kind I would love to know more about the problems and with what gear you encountered them with. ;x(A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.- Bottom
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[QUOTE=1oldguy]Originally posted by 1oldguy
Hi Wettou
Just in case you missed the post.If you would be so kind I would love to know more about the problems and with what gear you encountered them with. ;x(- Bottom
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Yes I would agree I have 5 of the 7BSST.Granted I only used 2 of them for 14 hours I do admit.
But I am curious regarding the particulars and the nature of the ,"Problems Encountered".A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.- Bottom
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[QUOTE=1oldguy]Originally posted by 1oldguyHi Wettou Just in case you missed the post.If you would be so kind I would love to know more about the problems and with what gear you encountered them with. ;x(Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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I too have three 802Ds and seriously considering upgrading from my three year old Classe CA3200. I just read Kal Rubinson's review of the McIntosh 303 w/802Ds so that is something I hadn't considered before. Maybe that is the way to go.
With 3 speakers it is pretty much either monoblocks with their cost penalty, or a three channel amp and there just aren't a lot of them to choose from. Auditions are pretty much impossible as practically no dealer stocks them. Do the stereo versions really sound the same as the three channel versions?- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyHas anyone Tried using 2 Bryston 7B amps on 802D's,I can't imagine they would be wanting for more power than that.I have said gear but have never tried it.Curious if anyone has and with what result.I refuse to tip-toe through life only to arrive safely at death...
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Originally posted by RelentlessI have read this here several times and it makes perfect sense why Bi-amping is a waste. With two identical amps, one driving the top end and the other driving the bass drivers, the amp driving the bass woofers will bottom out and you will only be using a fraction of the power in the mids and highs amp. Of coarse that would be in instances when you are really pushing the system. You would be better off getting a higher power amp than Bi-Amping in my opinion. Less speaker, interconnects and power cables also..... on the other hand assuming you are using A/B amps, the amp driving the highs would stay in class A for longer.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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As an upgrade for those with B&W speakers,I have seen the Brass version that some have used instead if the Plastic nose cone,Curious if those who have done so could comment on the performance after trying this.A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyAs an upgrade for those with B&W speakers,I have seen the Brass version that some have used instead if the Plastic nose cone,Curious if those who have done so could comment on the performance after trying this.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyAs an upgrade for those with B&W speakers,I have seen the Brass version that some have used instead if the Plastic nose cone,Curious if those who have done so could comment on the performance after trying this.I refuse to tip-toe through life only to arrive safely at death...
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Originally posted by RelentlessI have read many posts a while back where people state they hear a difference between the plastic phase plug vs the metal one.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by RelentlessI have read many posts a while back where people state they hear a difference between the plastic phase plug vs the metal one. I just switched them out without comparing them so I can not comment, but it only takes a few seconds to do it.- Bottom
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