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  • Lex
    Moderator Emeritus
    • Apr 2001
    • 27461

    Media ROT

    Came across this article on CNN, reprinted from this link for your information. Most of us have heard of it. how prevelent is it? Are there things you can do to minimize it? Read on...



    Dan Koster was unpacking some of his more than 2,000 CDs after a move when he noticed something strange. Some of the discs, which he always took good care of, wouldn't play properly.

    Koster, a Web and graphic designer for Queens University of Charlotte, North Carolina, took one that was skipping pretty badly and held it up to the light.

    "I was kind of shocked to see a constellation of pinpricks, little points where the light was coming through the aluminum layer," he says.

    His collection was suffering from "CD rot," a gradual deterioration of the data-carrying layer. It's not known for sure how common the blight is, but it's just one of a number of reasons that optical discs, including DVDs, may be a lot less long-lived than first thought.

    "We were all told that CDs were well-nigh indestructible when they were introduced in the mid '80s," Koster says. "Companies used that in part to justify the higher price of CDs as well."

    He went through his collection and found that 15 percent to 20 percent of the discs, most of which were produced in the '80s, were "rotted" to some extent.

    The rotting can be due to poor manufacturing, according to Jerry Hartke, who runs Media Sciences Inc., a Marlborough, Massachusetts, laboratory that tests CDs.

    The aluminum layer that reflects the light of the player's laser is separated from the CD label by a thin layer of lacquer. If the manufacturer applied the lacquer improperly, air can penetrate to oxidize the aluminum, eating it up much like iron rusts in air.

    But in Hartke's view, it's more common that discs are rendered unreadable by poor handling by the owner.

    "If people treat these discs rather harshly, or stack them, or allow them to rub against each other, this very fragile protective layer can be disturbed, allowing the atmosphere to interact with that aluminum," he says.

    Part of the problem is that most people believe that it's the clear underside of the CD that is fragile, when in fact it's the side with the label. Scratches on the underside have to be fairly deep to cause skipping, while scratches on the top can easily penetrate to the aluminum layer. Even the pressure of a pen on the label side can dent the aluminum, rendering the CD unreadable.

    Koster has taken to copying his CDs on his computer to extend the life of the recordings. Unfortunately, it's not easy to figure out how long those recordable CDs will work.

    Fred Byers, an information technology specialist at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, has looked at writeable CDs on behalf of government agencies, including the Library of Congress, that need to know how long their discs will last.

    Manufacturers cite lifespans up to 100 years, but without a standardized test, it's very hard to evaluate their claims, Byers says. The worst part is that manufacturers frequently change the materials and manufacturing methods without notifying users.

    "When you go to a store and buy a DVD-R, and this goes for CD-R as well, you really don't know what you're getting," he says. "If you buy a particular brand of disc, and then get the same disc and brand six months later, it can be very different."

    This renders the frequently heard advice to buy name-brand discs for maximum longevity fairly moot, he says.

    DVDs are a bit tougher than CDs in the sense that the data layer (or layers -- some discs have two) is sandwiched in the middle of the disc between two layers of plastic. But this structure causes problems of its own, especially in early DVDs. The glue that holds the layers together can lose its grip, making the disc unreadable at least in parts.

    Users that bend a DVD to remove it from a hard-gripping case are practically begging for this problem, because flexing the disc puts strain on the glue.

    Rewriteable CDs and DVDs, as opposed to write-once discs, should not be used for long-term storage because they contain a heat-sensitive layer that decays much faster than the metal layers of other discs.

    For maximum longevity, discs should be stored vertically and only be handled by the edges. Don't stick labels on them, and in the case of write-once CDs, don't write on them with anything but soft water-based or alcohol-based markers.

    Also, like wine, discs should be stored in a cool, dry place. Koster's friend Mark Irons, of Corvallis, Ore., stored his CD collection in a cabin heated by a wood-burning stove. The temperature would range between 40 degrees and 70 degrees in the space of a few hours. Now, the data layer of some of his CDs looks as if it's being eaten from the outside.

    Irons is still pretty happy with CD technology, since it beats vinyl LPs and tape for longevity. Now that he's moved his discs to an apartment with a more stable temperature, he's noticed that the decay has slowed.

    "I'm hoping they'll hold out till that next medium gets popular, and everyone gets to buy everything over again," he says.
    Doug
    "I'm out there Jerry, and I'm loving every minute of it!" - Kramer
  • David Meek
    Moderator Emeritus
    • Aug 2000
    • 8938

    #2
    I try to treat my collections (DVD, CD and vinyl) with kid gloves at all times. I've only had 3 DVDs out of 430 that would not play in my units and immediately replacing them corrected the problem, so it wasn't a compatibility issue. Rot? Maybe, but I can't confirm it.
    .

    David - Trigger-happy HTGuide Admin

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    • Bam!
      Super Senior Member
      • Jan 2004
      • 2458

      #3
      Ouch!

      With the way I take care of my frisbees....I mean cds....looks like rot will happen here!
      Got a nice rack to show me ?

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      • aud19
        Twin Moderator Emeritus
        • Aug 2003
        • 16706

        #4
        I too treat my software very carefully. Though it looks like I've got another reason to hate those cases that don't release discs easily :evil:

        Jason
        Jason

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        • gd
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2003
          • 583

          #5
          My experience:

          Redbook CDs... 1000(?) titles... not a single one is affected... some go back to the late 80's... my understanding is that 'CD rot' is an old issue that should be resolved by now.

          Laserdisc... 200 titles... maybe 10% or more are affected... 'rot' seems to have been associated predominantly with LD, due to their large size... the sealed edges were said to be prone to separating, allowing air in, facilitating rot.

          CD-R... no problems yet, but these are the flimsiest media of all, and can't possibly be regarded as archival... best bet for archiving is to commit to a hard drive -- and back it up to boot.

          Nothing is foolproof.
          .
          greg (gd to you)
          .
          Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring
          production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.

          Frank Zappa

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          • George Bellefontaine
            Moderator Emeritus
            • Jan 2001
            • 7637

            #6
            Some early dvds had some problems that caused a freeze up or skipping. I had 2 that had to be replaced, and today I must have close to 1000 dvds so 2 out of that ain't bad.

            As for cds, I have hundreds that go back to the 80's and no problems.
            My Homepage!

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            • Burke Strickland
              Moderator
              • Sep 2001
              • 3161

              #7
              A sentence in the above-cited AP article "CDs and DVDs Not So Immortal After All" that strikes me as meretricious sanctimony is:
              Users that bend a DVD to remove it from a hard-gripping case are practically begging for this problem, because flexing the disc puts strain on the glue.
              They make it sound like the DVD users are doing something "bad" as a matter of willful choice. How the hell else do you get a DVD out of a poorly designed "hard-gripping case"?

              Burke

              What you DON'T say may be held against you...

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              • JonMarsh
                Mad Max Moderator
                • Aug 2000
                • 15298

                #8
                Unfortunately CD's and CD-R's are a lousy medium from an archival veiwpoint. CD-RW are better, and lately I've taken to putting anything that I have to keep for a while in Audio format on those. OTOH, I do use black CD-R's for travel/playback disks.

                Now, if you want a stable re-writable optical media, there's really only one way to go- Magneto Optical. It's a magnetic/thermal phase change media, with optical playback, and considered stable for 30-50 years minimum.


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                • Jariten
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2000
                  • 271

                  #9
                  :T

                  It sounds like the same problem that Pioneer LDC had a few years ago with LaserDisc rot...
                  Air was present and the aluminum layer hat oxydized causing a loss of picture/sound from the LD....one series come to mind : Record of Lodoss wars had a Major issue....(Japanese Animation)

                  Ah well...

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