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  • JonMarsh
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    • Aug 2000
    • 15302

    Every Breath you take...

    If you're a Police or Sting fan, run, don't walk, to get the new Hybrid SACD/CD collection, "The Police: Every Breath You Take". It's a brand new re-issue and mix going back to the first generation source tapes, converting to DSD (SACD), and for the CD layer, downmixed with the latest SBM. (Super Bit Mapping). To top it off, it was mastered by Bob Ludwig at Gateway Mastering... in case you don't know, it doesn't get any better than this, he's the best in the business.

    So, how's the sound? Starting off with Roxanne, it's clear that this is something very special, compared with the original releases or subsequent re-issues. By "Message In a Bottle", I'm wondering how they possibly got such a wealth of detail and natural sound from the old tapes- it's clear they took the limiters off the drum tracks for this remaster- they sound fabulous. And I'm talking the CD layer here, folks, even in my Camara with a Delco BLOZE sound system. At home, it's even better. :B

    The only way I think I can adequately describe the improvement on a good system is to liken it to hearing the initial mix while recording BEFORE it goes on tape, and loses a bit of the definition and clarity of the live sound from the mic's - it's really that big an improvement over the original disks. It so clean, it just makes me want to crank it up and up, and revel in the rush of re-experiencing these old favorites in a completely different contex than when I grew up with them.... so there I am, going down I-580, with my stereo maxed out, singing along like a total loon... at 51.

    Highly recommended. (if you're a Police fan... :W

    For those who have heard both the unremarkable CD release of James Taylor "Hourglass" versus the sonics on the single layer SACD version, it's comparable- except that the CD layer on this new Police disk is even this much better. Let's here it for high grade mastering, and shame on the record companies for cutting corners so often in the past.


    Best regards,

    Jon




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  • George Bellefontaine
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    • Jan 2001
    • 7637

    #2
    Sounds like a real winner. I'm not a big Police fan, but Sting's version of Every Breath I Take is one of my favorites. Unfortunately I don't own an SACD player at the moment.




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    • John Holmes
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      • Aug 2000
      • 2703

      #3
      Now I'm even more pissed that I passed on a demo sony 775 player a few months ago. It was the kiosk unit at CC. They were asking $125.00 for it. I was too worried about the lack of bass mgnt with my current system.

      I enjoy the Police. My wife loves them! 8) So this would have been nice to own. I still may get it since you really enjoyed the quality of sound from it's cd layer. As I'm sure an SACD player is in my future somewhere! :LOL:




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      • JonMarsh
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        • Aug 2000
        • 15302

        #4
        Hey guys, you DON'T need an SACD player to benefit from this disk- it's a hybrid SACD, which means it has both a CD layer and an SACD layer, and plays on conventional CD players as well as SACD players. My point is, the CD layer is VERY good- that's what all my comments are based on- haven't even hooked up my SACD player to see what the SACD layer is like. It blows away the previous CD releases, quite literally. The key is better mastering and re-mix from 1st generation source material.

        Regards,

        Jon




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        • Pat
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          • Aug 2000
          • 1637

          #5
          Allright Jon, now you did it.
          I looked and didn't have any Police in my collection, so you made me buy it
          I also don't have any SACD capability, and probably won't for some time.
          Actually I stopped on the way home from work and bought it without hesitation...I hope it is as good as you say




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          • Kevin P
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            • Aug 2000
            • 10808

            #6
            This disc has been on my short list for some time, and is now THE next disc I'll purchase when I hit the mall, after reading Jon's review. My Sony 9000 is hungry for more SACDs.

            What tracks are on it, btw? I know I could look on amazon but I'm lazy.

            KJP




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            • JonMarsh
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              • Aug 2000
              • 15302

              #7
              • Roxane
              • Can't stand losing you
              • Message in a Bottle
              • Walking on the Moon
              • De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da
              • Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic
              • Invisible Sun
              • Sprits in the Material World
              • Every Breath You Take
              • King of Pain
              • Wrapped Around Your Finger
              • Don't Stand So Close to Me (96 version)
              • Message in a Bottle (remix)


              ~Jon




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              • George Bellefontaine
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                • Jan 2001
                • 7637

                #8
                That's different. Thanks Jon. I'm going looking for this one.




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                • Kevin P
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                  • Aug 2000
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                  #9
                  Thanks Jon. I just got back to work with a copy of the disc, and will listen to it soon (redbook layer, sadly my Cubicle Tubicle(tm) system doesn't have SACD capability :cry: ).

                  You missed one track on your list: Don't Stand So Close To Me (the original version). For a second I was worried that they left that one off since I like it better than the '86 (not '96) version. But then I looked at my copy and it's there. :??




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                  • dave
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                    • Aug 2003
                    • 434

                    #10
                    Hey::: Is this the same Police SACD I,ve seen in Multichannel ? a while back I bought Pink Floyds DSOTM on SACD multi & it,s as good as my gold disc if not better.




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                    • JonMarsh
                      Mad Max Moderator
                      • Aug 2000
                      • 15302

                      #11
                      On the SACD layer are both multichannel and stereo mixes. On the CD layer, of couse, there's only a stereo mix. But for CD, what a stereo Mix!

                      The CD layer of this one is a biger improvement over the previous releases than the case for DSOTM, unfortunately. They didn't use the re-mixed/re-sourced SACD material to down convert and create the CD mix on DSOTM, unfortunately. In the case of Every Breath You Take, they did. Big difference.

                      Since I only have a limited music software budget, and there's so much good stuff out there, my first priority is Hybrid SACD, since you get the best of both worlds, with usually sifnificantly better CD sound on the CD layer, due to better mastering. Just check out stuff like the Norah Jones SACD Hybrid, or the new Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab releases of Patricia Barber's "Modern Cool" and "Nightclub".

                      Regards,

                      Jon




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                      • dave
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                        • Aug 2003
                        • 434

                        #12
                        Jon: Thanks for the input. Im out the door to get it right now. :5:




                        dave
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                        • Chris D
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                          • Dec 2000
                          • 16877

                          #13
                          I went to Best Buy last night and looked at this. The thing I found interesting is that I already own this CD. I bought it as a DTS 5.1 CD version years ago. (not DVD-A or SACD)

                          Although I liked the music, I was somewhat disappointed with the recording cleanliness when played on my DVD player with digital audio link to be decoded by my Yamaha RX-V2095 receiver. When I turned up the volume, I could hear a steady background hiss, even more prevalent than many movies that I watched.

                          Perhaps if I re-bought the album in the DVD-A or SACD version (I found both in the Best Buy bins) it will have a cleaner transfer. It would just be a bummer to have to re-buy the album.




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                          • dave
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                            • Aug 2003
                            • 434

                            #14
                            Hey Jon: In Fred Flintstones words .................................................. .... YABBA.....DABBA.....DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! This is the best I,ve ever heard the Police sound! THANKS for the HEADS UP!!!




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                            • JonMarsh
                              Mad Max Moderator
                              • Aug 2000
                              • 15302

                              #15
                              Yeah, it's pretty righteous, isn't it? I almost felt guilty demoing the M8's last weekend with it... just using the CD layer! Chris and his brother Nick wanted to hear something they were familiar with. Was I cheating?


                              Best regards,

                              Jon




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                              • Danbry39
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                                • Sep 2002
                                • 1584

                                #16
                                Anyone bought their live concert material on SACD? Is it also a hybrid release?




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