cp 800 so quiet on the forum now

[gerardhn]

What's going on? Nothing? Why?

[style]

Hoi gerardhn,

the cp800 is at today not available (in Europa / Switzerland) :roll: ,

the first "stock" of the CP800 will be in europa at this day...but first the dealer and then the consumers....

in February we can have the "lekker preampli" in huis :T

groeten Style

[sikoniko]

James will be updating on the current status based on our conversations with Dave shortly. He is more of a nuts and bolts kinda guy and I don't want to steal his thunder. Just know that it is really nice! I got to hear it last thursday.

[wettou]

Will James ever publish his review on the SSP-800! Not that it matters since those who want it have it :T

[garak]

Will James ever publish his review on the SSP-800! Not that it matters since those who want it have it :T

Why would he? All you'll do is ridicule him, question his integrity, say he's drunk the koolaid, and claim he's paid by Classé to post here.

[wettou]

Why would he? All you'll do is ridicule him, question his integrity, say he's drunk the koolaid, and claim he's paid by Classé to post here.

Nope, just was wondering? It is not because one is critical that he can enjoy something.

I own probably more Classé products than many people on this forum. So I have the right to express an opinion like everyone else. I am an owner unlike others.

If we all agreed about every thing it would be very boring

[style]

ok, all to go buy a ClasséAudio action at the Wallstreet!


so we have a BIG words...!?!?!

Sorry all the Classé fan can write on this forum with a single pre or a system from a milion!


CP800:: before I will listen this one with a good combo (ampli&speaker) than
we go see....


style

[garak]

Nope, just was wondering? It is not because one is critical that he can enjoy something.

I own probably more Classé products than many people on this forum. So I have the right to express an opinion like everyone else. I am an owner unlike others.

If we all agreed about every thing it would be very boring

Disagreeing is one thing. Making baseless accusations and attacking one's integrity is entirely different. I don't have any problem with someone expressing their opinion. I do have a problem with somebody hounding and heckling someone else.

So what if you own Classé products? I own Classé products. That doesn't entitle us to anything.

[gerardhn]

Gentlemen,

pls give some valuable contribution on CP 800 topic..

[SwainDtV]

I was wondering. How would one combine a CP800 and a SSP800 in one setup?

I believe a 2-channel source is connected to the CP800 and multichannel source to the SSP800. What is next! Is the CP800 connected to 7.1 analog bypass input? How is volume control handled?

[mjb]

I was wondering. How would one combine a CP800 and a SSP800 in one setup?

Put one on top of the other? :lol:

I've not seen the handbook, but I believe it has an L-R Aux-out selectable at 0 attenuation (like the SSP-800 does), which you could use to drive the SSP-800 with.

[wettou]

Gentlemen,pls give some valuable contribution on CP 800 topic..

Agreed :B

For stereo listening I advocate bypassing the pream all together if you have only one source :T

[alebonau]

Agreed :B

For stereo listening I advocate bypassing the pream all together if you have only one source :T

I dissagree. a good analog pre amp serves a very valuable purpose. something often very much underestimated. I say this having experienced the benefit of various pre amps on a few different systems over the years. In my opinion the quality of the pre amp is infact quite a determining factor if its 2ch analog performance that is the goal. It is this single most reason why 2ch analog pre amps still rule in this sea of av and ht pre amp processors and av receivers.

[sikoniko]

I dissagree. a good analog pre amp serves a very valuable purpose. something often very much underestimated. I say this having experienced the benefit of various pre amps on a few different systems over the years. In my opinion the quality of the pre amp is infact quite a determining factor if its 2ch analog performance that is the goal. It is this single most reason why 2ch analog pre amps still rule in this sea of av and ht pre amp processors and av receivers.

I agree w/ you Al. If a person demands the highest quality 2 channel, then having a dedicated pre is the way to go - providing a person is willing to spend the money to acheive it. Many people are willing to compromise for decent 2 ch out of a simplified one box solution though.

I think of it like this... lets say a company has (to pick a round number) a $5000 budget to build a system. A multi-channel processor has to split the budget across more channels and codec licenses as well as being decent at 2 channel typically; whereas, a 2 channel can dedicate that entire budget at doing one thing and one thing well.

[wettou]

What I am saying it you take a good CD with great DAC like

the future Oppo BDP-95, use the XLR out to TC electronic Level Pilot - monitor to the XLR of your amp, and you add nothing to the sound.

Try it and you will find you saved yourself $5000 :W

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-95/

http://www.esstech.com/index.php?p=products_DAC

http://www.tcelectronic.com/levelpilot.asp

[Srrndhound]

What I am saying it you take a good CD with great DAC like

the future Oppo BDP-95, use the XLR out to TC electronic Level Pilot - monitor to the XLR of your amp, and you add nothing to the sound.

Adding nothing to the sound of a reasonable DAC is not necessarily better than losing less from a superior DAC.

[wettou]

Adding nothing to the sound of a reasonable DAC is not necessarily better than losing less from a superior DAC.

"a reasonable DAC" You consider the new DAc in the Oppo reasonable!

[alebonau]

I agree w/ you Al. If a person demands the highest quality 2 channel, then having a dedicated pre is the way to go - providing a person is willing to spend the money to acheive it. Many people are willing to compromise for decent 2 ch out of a simplified one box solution though.

I think of it like this... lets say a company has (to pick a round number) a $5000 budget to build a system. A multi-channel processor has to split the budget across more channels and codec licenses as well as being decent at 2 channel typically; whereas, a 2 channel can dedicate that entire budget at doing one thing and one thing well.

Absolutely, many will pick various solutions to fit their need, but yes an analog pre amps is definitely one very good example where less is more !

[alebonau]

What I am saying it you take a good CD with great DAC like

the future Oppo BDP-95, use the XLR out to TC electronic Level Pilot - monitor to the XLR of your amp, and you add nothing to the sound.

Try it and you will find you saved yourself $5000 :W

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-95/

http://www.esstech.com/index.php?p=products_DAC

http://www.tcelectronic.com/levelpilot.asp

A dac is but a chip, its the implementation that's the important thing. How well it matches up with rest you have will be determining factor. Oppos have come across to date been pretty underwhelming analog wise, but will give the 95 a clean slate..until have heard one :B keep in mind nuforce don't think the 95 is good enough, they're selling it with all sorts of mods taking price unto $2.5k :E there goes half your budget :P

All that tc volume control is a passive preamp, there are various types of these around. They have their own compromises, with cable length, impedance match mismatch between source and power amp playing a huge part in the end result. personally I'll stick with the active pre amps. Any passive pre amps have come across, though able to be quite useable and good enough I suspect for many in some cases, tend to be devoid of life and dynamics, compared to even quite rudimentary active versions. You get what you pay for as they say, and on the pre amp side I wouldn't be scrimping...

[wettou]

It has not shipped yet!

[gerardhn]

yes, i dont see and hear anything...

iám still thinking between 800 and used 700...

[gerardhn]

I have read that cp 800 will be on the market around April here in Europe and will cost 5500€, which is cheaper than the 700!!
Classe realising now that 8000 € for the CP 7000 was overpriced???
"law of diminishing returns" is seen by marketing?

[ukwildcat]

I agree w/ you Al. If a person demands the highest quality 2 channel, then having a dedicated pre is the way to go - providing a person is willing to spend the money to acheive it. Many people are willing to compromise for decent 2 ch out of a simplified one box solution though.

I think of it like this... lets say a company has (to pick a round number) a $5000 budget to build a system. A multi-channel processor has to split the budget across more channels and codec licenses as well as being decent at 2 channel typically; whereas, a 2 channel can dedicate that entire budget at doing one thing and one thing well.

I won't DISAGREE, but..

I had a very high-quality two-channel preamp until I heard the SSP at home, and IN MY OPINION, it FINALLY reached the performance dedicated two-channel preamp (when used in bypass) and that was one reason to make the switch.

Then I realized that I'm really better off with all-digital sources to begin with. Somewhat more flexible, more convenient, etc. and of course with a lossless digital music format, I don't lose anything. I cannot tell the difference anymore between digital music sources on the SSP and my Mark Levinson No. 51 player and No. 360S preamp setup.

I don't doubt that it could be BETTER, but not without robbing a bank or something for better gear. Even then, it would probably be beyond the capability of my Aerial speakers to resolve it, so I would have to upgrade THOSE as well.

At any rate, my point is that the state of the art has advanced to the point where a multichannel component is no longer a "compromise," even for most audiophiles.

[wettou]

Bypass the pre-pro all together if all you are listening to is Stereo :T

A good balanced amp, a good source like an SACD player (Sony SCD-XA5400ES) and TC electronic volume control is all you need :T

[Cambs12]

For anyone who has heard the Cp800.Will this sound better than a CDp-202(which i have at the moment) through a Cp500(considering a used one at a good price locally).I would play lossless files from a pc or Ripnas through the Cp800.