Classe Cdp 102, 202,300, 502 Tweak Must See

[RLRB]

i was thinking how a good and not cheap component has a cheap cable from transport to the board.

all of us have a pc and know about its cables, not?

we know the difference between an 40 pin and 80 pin ide cable,the last one is shielded 40 pins+40 to ground and all of us know the difference betwenn ide 40 and ide 133 in transfer rate and attenuation.

i have gone to the shop and buyed an ide 80 pin cable, i cut it and throw away part of cable that goes from board to slave. now i have the cable from slave to master (20 cm 8 inches more or less) . well put the master to board and slave to transport teac. the colored pin to the left.

you are going to shock you wont believe. a quantum leap in definition.

you only has to take a thin scissor and made a hole in pin 19 (in tha new cable connector, pin 19 is only for directing the cable in right way)

this is a NEW CD PLAYER. it took 5 minutes. DO IT DO IT IT WORTHS

watch the cable from transport to board this is thge one to change

[RLRB]

tweak

open you computer and take the cable now in 5 minutes you have a new cd

greater dynamics, higher highs, bass i always thought this cd had no bass

photo of pin 19

http://images.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http://www.magicdatabackup.com/howtoimgs/ide8040pin.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.magicdatabackup.com/document_Install_IDE.html&usg=__MS_RRuFZYJM7X-LMpGCxZ8cNNUs=&h=272&w=409&sz=16&hl=es&start=3&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=fJO8cOGtTxNvXM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=125&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcable%2Bide%2Bpin%26um%3D1%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4GFRE_esES354ES354%26tbs%3Disch:1

[RLRB]

tweak

ALL you need:

https://www.inkamatica.com/.../prd_000000000014.jpg

a very thin scissor and a little hole in each connector

I am running my 2x8 el 34 monoblocks Art Audio and tearing with rachmaninov nº2

with tubes change is brutal

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

ANY 80 pin IDE CABLE IS VALID

[RLRB]

Its only a matter of bandwidth and shielding. not the same bandwidth in a 40 wire ide than 80 wire (data transfer in computers)

I hope today someone do this and tell you how this improve sound.



ABOUT OTHER post about clicks
About clicks/dropouts i think it can be a buffering problem of teac transport, the built in unit is a teac DV28SL but there is another slot loading from teac if i remember Dv 224 sl with 2mb buffer instead of 512 k with same connectors and specs. someday i will try

ANY IDE CABLE 80 wire WILL WORK

[RLRB]

i cant believe you have not tried yet
mine is now a different cd, before change it was very soft, now its accurate
only you loose is a 2$ cable

best even if you find 30 awg cable instead of awg 32.

which is difference between utp cat 5 or 6? nothing but shielding

if people do this you will see less classes cdp in second hand market
i dont sell anything. i have tried. I only want you to see the truth

[RLRB]

the difference is very big
only a cable

next thing will be the opamps

[RLRB]

Well, i cant believe no one wants to do this, I did it and the difference is by far superior than a cable change.
open the computer and take the cable, a little hole and connect
i am not cheating, why no one is concerned about it
if you dont know the classe 102,202,300, 502 use a semi-informatic transport with ide cable
take a look at the photo of a cdp 300

well i dont mind, do whath you want
sorry for my english

[Aquarius]

Well, i cant believe no one wants to do this ...

Don't worry, I did it. Just yesterday. Result is fantastic. Worth every penny (literally). Thank you!

http://audiofil.hr/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11888&get=last#%22

[RLRB]

Don't worry, I did it. Just yesterday. Result is fantastic. Worth every penny (literally). Thank you!

http://audiofil.hr/forum/forum_posts...8&get=last#%22

I SAID IT, I SAID IT, I SAID IT, I SAID IT

AS I SAID IT WORKS. the difference IS NOT SUBTILE, Now it sounds more refined, precise, more focus

Only cut ide cable (short one) from master to slave and throw board-master and doing a little hole

Soon i will replace the opamps. I will tell the results

I cant believe how a good product, see inside, 3 power supply,... etc can have a really bad cable, i wonder if the designer had seen any time inside a computer?

[style]

hi,

others members have try this tweak?

@RLRB, this "cable changing" dont can have a negative influss to the others gears of the chain?
damage, or ?!?!


if a problem come forr Classe is ver easy see what is happen = no more warranty!!

(egal is ou go rechange the cable whit the standard)

I don't know if you say (exemple) that very box from B&W have a chip inside
so B&W can say what, where,who. -> big brother!!)

thx Style

[RLRB]

Hi style

my cdp 102 is out of warranty
if you do exactly what i have said you cant broke anything in the cd player,
of course is everyone responsibility. I mean disconnect carefully the cable, avoid touching anything, avoid forcing the new cable (what i did after doing the hole in the cable bus was inserting a clip to see if the hole was enough for the pin). it would be a bad thing forcing it and break a pin.
if you are not sure dont do it, but is very easy, if the new cable doesnt fit, dont push and redo the hole

there is an croatian web attached, i cant understand croatian, but there are some photos
when i did i worked perfectly. another person aquarius also did it, ask him.
I must admit i am not afraid of opening all my components, i do regularly, put some ferrites here, etc. Most people doesnt like doing this

[gerardhn]

Hi RLRB,

Good discovery.

I have 2 questions.

Why did you cut the slave away, why not let it there? Now you have open cutted wires???

Is it not possible to buy a cable that has only two connectors? Transport and board??

Gerard

[RLRB]

i did this way because it was the way i had shorter length of cable

i dont have a machine to mount this connector and i didnt found a 2 connector cable

try and you will see

i also have an amplifier that has this connector from board to another board with soldered rca and opamps, i havent tried yet, in this case the cable resistence is something to take in mind. not in cdp wich cable only send raw data

sorry, open cutted cables? i cut it perfect obviously, this is no problem

[caberxx]

Okay. I did it last night to my cdp202. Very easy to do. The hardest part was actually getting the top off the player. You need a special funny multi-star shaped screwdriver. I got one at the Home Depot - not hard to find, but you likely won't find it in your kitchen drawer. I put on the new cable - player wouldn't work. So I flipped the cable over, and away she went. There is a definite improvement in the sound quality. Not huge, but definitely there. The biggest improvement is to the separation in the sound stage. Wow! All told, I spent about $15 and one hour (including the trip to the home depot). Well worth it.

[RLRB]

classe tweak

Hi

i am happy you did it, easy
you say there is a improvement,
in my case it was huge,perhaps your equipment is not very revealing or detailed, in my equipmentin wich i use two tube monoblocks the difference is huge.

15 dollars? cable cost 3 dolars and the scredrivers is in the box of cdp.

the seprartion of insytruments increase a lot

before the tweak the cdp was too soft.

bye

[mjb]

i've read this thread with interest... Amazing that a $3 dollar tweak to a $7k transport can make so much difference. Perhaps the Classé design engineers need to go back to school. Perhaps you should patent the mod and license it to them.

[gerardhn]

Iam not a patent specialist... but my stomach says ..
the use of a standard cable for standard digital transport (both open structures) can never be claimed as a new invention.
So we have the work for our expensive stuff..... as before....

[RLRB]

hi

only mjb said that. invention?? new??

i think it was only joking

lets think in a staff in a big enterprise...some of them work in power supply, another equipment in digital process, another in design, something didnt worked well between these personnel.

think in mazda, a leader in engineering with problem in brakes in s9ome models, for example

edit: for mjb: what dou thing there is inside a 2500 dollars cable from Transparent or mit , just a resistor and a inductance, a fucking inductance, but it works, of course is a robbery. by the way i have some transparent
(these networks was invented recently, aprox in 1920 for telephone lines)

perhaps this is due that in origin the connector was of a different manner, the first cdp 102 has drawer and another transport (philips vam pro) that cease production and board had an ide connector, i suppose

sorry for my english, from Spain (football world championship, jejejeje)

bye, but do it

[Eliav]

Has anyone tried to discuss this with the Classe service people ? I bet they have some educated answer for this. As much as I believe you all heard the difference, I am reluctant to perform such " surgery" on my 202.
Thanks

[caberxx]

No, I don't think that's it. The equipment I'm using is pretty good stuff (Classe CP700 preamp, 4 Classe CA-M400 mono blocks, Chord balanced cables, Shunyata VRay II power box, Anaconda power cords, 802Diamond speakers). I'm just saying the difference isn't huge because I don't want to exagerate it. The difference is definite and well worth the time. But huge? No. Buying the 802 Diamonds - that was huge. Adding the Shunyata VRay II -that was huge. Going from 2 mono blocks to 4 - that was huge. But adding this cable was not huge. If you didn't like your CD player before, adding the cable will do little to change your mind. If you did like it, adding the cable will make you really like it. But huge? Sorry, no.

[RLRB]

wow

your equipment is very very very good, in my systen the difference is bigger than changing a rca cable, much more than adding very good interconnect. In my case.

thats big?

well, it worths

[Eliav]

No, I don't think that's it. The equipment I'm using is pretty good stuff (Classe CP700 preamp, 4 Classe CA-M400 mono blocks, Chord balanced cables, Shunyata VRay II power box, Anaconda power cords, 802Diamond speakers). I'm just saying the difference isn't huge because I don't want to exagerate it. The difference is definite and well worth the time. But huge? No. Buying the 802 Diamonds - that was huge. Adding the Shunyata VRay II -that was huge. Going from 2 mono blocks to 4 - that was huge. But adding this cable was not huge. If you didn't like your CD player before, adding the cable will do little to change your mind. If you did like it, adding the cable will make you really like it. But huge? Sorry, no.

Hi
Can you tell us more about your experience with 2 vs 4 monoblocks ? I have 2 monoblocks with 800d and always wondered if a 4 mono setup would sound so different to justify the expense.
Thanks

[RLRB]

in my opinion i would employ tube monoblocks for mid/high, and monoblocks of solid state for bass

the nautilus range sounds totally different with tubes

i always thought the nautilus had a crisp and metallic sound (i have N804), but not with tubes.

my equipment consist in bwn804, two 8xel34 class A monoblocks and a mimetism 15.2 amplifier for bass

try tubes, there is a great offer in second hand with low inversion

is an option

[RLRB]

hi guys

yesterday i changed my loudspeakers cable van den hul d 352 for kimber 8tc (only for highs, i have another pair for bass)
what do you think about these cables? the vdh loses all detail,the kimber are more detailed,perhaps a little less body, but i prefer kimber.

these are cheap cables, not the same than yours, but kimber seems a good cable

bye

[caberxx]

Hi
Can you tell us more about your experience with 2 vs 4 monoblocks ? I have 2 monoblocks with 800d and always wondered if a 4 mono setup would sound so different to justify the expense.
Thanks

Sure. If you're looking for greatly increased power and volume, you will be disappointed. I've heard that you need 10 times the power to double the volume, and that sounds about right. With 4 mono blocks, you're doubling the power, so that's only about a 10% increase in volume. The best way to describe the difference is that the sound is more effortless. The speakers just seem more responsive. The sound stage is more open and the sound has more dimension. However, the causual observer may not hear a difference, as the two things most such observers notice about a high end system (sound clarity and volume) aren't really improved. But for someone that really lets himself be absorbed by the music, the difference in sound is quite impressive. Is it worth an extra $10K or so? To me, yes. Likely not to others.

[caberxx]

Has anyone tried to discuss this with the Classe service people ? I bet they have some educated answer for this. As much as I believe you all heard the difference, I am reluctant to perform such " surgery" on my 202.
Thanks

You shouldn't hold back. It really is incredibly easy to do. Open the top of the player and it's obvious how to change the cable. And, it's easy to put back the way it was, in case you ever wanted to.

[RLRB]

Hello

Happy Christmas

much better now with my Genesis VI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i cant find info about these speakers in the web
anyone has a pair?

best regards

[fourxmotion]

Do you mean the ones in the document?

http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/archeology/genv_vi/vandvi_brochure.pdf

[RLRB]

hello hfriedman and all

yes, why?
do you think they are not good speakers?
ah, sorry, yes i knew that info...
anyone with genesis?



best regards

[RLRB]

anyone??

[RLRB]

classe tweak

Hi,

i think its possible (im sure) to do the same in Meridian G08 and Ayre players, and many others. (the ones with informatic transport)

Happy n y

[RLRB]

Hi again,
for those who had reading problems with cdp 102 202 502 300... then new transport Classe is using is Sony optiarc ad 7800 h 01. The new transport is SATA. The conversion from Sata to IDE is done with an universal connector SATA to IDE. I hope this will be more reliable. The teac dv 28 sl r93 was a piece of ship. Hi folks

[planitismetal]

Hi RLRB...
The connector/adapter you are talking about, which one is the best???


The child is grown
The dream is gone...!!!

[Alaric]

Hi , RLRB! So how do you like the Genesis speakers now that you've had some time with them ?
I remember this thread from way back!

[planitismetal]

Hi again,
for those who had reading problems with cdp 102 202 502 300... then new transport Classe is using is Sony optiarc ad 7800 h 01. The new transport is SATA. The conversion from Sata to IDE is done with an universal connector SATA to IDE. I hope this will be more reliable. The teac dv 28 sl r93 was a piece of ship. Hi folks

Thanks for the information... I tried to find a new one, I think i found one, but are you sure that will play without any specific firmware? B&W asked me 285€ to send me their drive...