I know numbers are not everything, but I was wondering why Classe doesn't spec the damping factor for their amplifiers? Is it called something else on their spec?
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Found a review on the CA-2100 integrated that plots the damping factor vs frequency. Classe has nothing to be ashamed of here with a damping factor of 1800 below 300Hz (where it is most important).
Originally posted by Soundstage ReviewDamping factor vs. frequency is shown in chart 4 and is of an extremely high value at low frequencies, and as is so typical of many solid-state amplifiers being high up to about 500kHz and then rolling off with frequency.
Full review here:
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I have a CA-201 amp, and it specs output impedance at 0.017 ohms. That will remain constant with any load, whereas damping factor varies with the load. It's thus better to spec the way Classe does.
For an 8-ohm load, this is a damping factor of 470. But when you add 0.02 ohms for 10' of 12 ga wire, damping factor at the speaker terminals drops to 216.
Hmm, I see that the newer amps don't even mention output impedance. Probably because the higher it is, the more it is swamped by the speaker wire.- Bottom
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Originally posted by wasabichondroI know numbers are not everything, but I was wondering why Classe doesn't spec the damping factor for their amplifiers? Is it called something else on their spec?- Mike
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B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100- Bottom
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Originally posted by AV-OCDRoger -
Where do you stand on the belief that anything above a damping factor of 50 is just gravy?
I'm neutral on the matter.- Bottom
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Originally posted by SrrndhoundI'd say that's right. Even if you have a very high damping factor, it does not automatically translate to better control of woofers. That is limited by the motor design. If you put a short across the speaker terminals, does the woofer still ring when tapped? If so, then the amp cannot do anything further about it.- Bottom
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Originally posted by AV-OCDThat sounds like an interesting test. Forgive my ignorance, but would placing a piece of wire across the speaker terminals while the amp is connected cause the type of short you are talking about? And would doing so damage the amp or the speaker?- Bottom
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Originally posted by AV-OCDThat did sound like a risky thing to do. ops:
How does one cause a dead short?
How about a 9V battery?- Bottom
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Originally posted by AV-OCDAs a further display of my ignorance of how electrical circuits work, how does shorting a circuit that has no current flowing through do anything?- Bottom
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A higher damping factor does make an audible difference. It also leads to improved woofer control as well (this is actually visible).
You can determine the damping factor of your amp by dividing the nominal impedance of the speaker by the output impedance of your amp.
Srrndhnds example: 8/.017 = 470
Damping factor allows an amp to reject EMF (electromotive force) which is the electrical backwave from the speaker, through the wire, to the amp. The ability of the amp to reject the electrical backwave translates as better cone control helping to keep it within its excursion limits on large bass transients.
The damping factor is less of an issue with surround sound systems that roll-off the surround speakers early and leave the sub w/built-in amp to cover the bass.
If you're a two-channel person, it matters more, especially w/full-range speakers, even on music. It's not necessarily bad to have a low damping factor (most tube amplification does); sonically it can translate to a warmer sounding bass; a high damping factor usually translates to a tighter, punchier bass.
-JBreezy-- Bottom
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Originally posted by SrrndhoundThe current will flow as soon as the cone is tapped (moved). The voicecoil is moving within the magnetic field, and that generates current. You will find that the cone moves more easily without the short, but resists moving with the short in place.
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