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I am on the market for buying a new cd player for my Classe Cap-2100. I am considering cdp-202, but I also think that maybe a tube cd player or a cd player playing more analog will give a magic to my system. Which cd player you are using with your Classe, and what would you recommend ?
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I have a dedicated CD player in my system. The Arcam FMJ CD36 is connected - both analog and digital - to my SSP800. At first I prefered analog; now digital (coaxial).
After trading in my Proceed PMDT for a Lexicon RT-20 I had lost some of my 2 channel sound experience. The Arcam FMJ CD36 was able to close that gap.
Now I'm deciding if my Pioneer BDP-LX91 (09FD) can replace the Arcam. This would give me space to install a power re-generator.
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I'd recommend that you keep your eyes out for a used CDP-100 on Audiogon. You should be able to pick one up for around $1500 and it will support CAN-BUS and PlayLink.Originally posted by altanpsx
I was EXTREMELY happy with this CDP and highly recommend it.I'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...Comment
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If you were thinking of the CDP-202 (new or used) then I'd look at that instead of a CDP-100 or CDP-102. It's a wonderful CD player. As for other brands, there are a lot out there so I'd try to listen to them if possible before you buy. System matching is pretty important.
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Marantz Reference SA-11S2, currently ranked class A in the April 2009 issue of Stereophile. I concur about listening before you buy.
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Do you care anything about DVD playback as well? If so, the CDP-300 is a great choice because it will upconvert your DVDs to 1080p and has the same CD player components found in the CDP-102, which I believe was supposed to be a mild improvement over the CDP-100. For the more seasoned Classe people, if this is a misstatement please correct me. I tried to research and find the differences between the two and didn't find anything helpful.Originally posted by altanpsx
My point is, I have seen CDP-300s sell as cheaply as $1995 and for that small of a difference and have a more modern, state of the art source player that will play CDs and DVDs it seems a small price to pay. I can say that the picture quality from that player is phenomenal and from a relative seating position is difficult to distinguish between Blu-ray.
By no means am I saying it's as good as Blu-ray, especially if you are within a few feet, but at a distance or 10 to 15 feet you would have trouble seeing much difference.
You rarely see CDP-100s listed and there seem to always be some CDP-300s out there for sale that people are motivated to sell.
Happy hunting and enjoy your Classe gear!Comment
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The DACs in the CDP-100(202,502) are Burr-Brown. The ones in the CDP-100(300) are wolfson. Do you know if you have a preference? That is a good way to eliminate.Originally posted by hifiguymi
For the price, the CDP-100 is awesome. I believe the going rate on Audiogon for the 202 is around $3000.I'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...Comment
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I really don't look at who makes the DACs in a piece of gear. As long as the DACs are implemented properly and the analog section is done right. Since there isn't a piece of gear, at least none that I know of, that has both to compare, who knows if a Burr Brown sounds better than a Wolfson or vice versa. I honestly don't have that much experience with the CDP-100 but I know the CDP-102 and the CDP-202. The CDP-202 is one of the best CD players I've heard. I've seen a few good deals on Audiogon on the CDP-202.
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You all right, I did not mention that I will use this cd player only for cd's. Also I had find a chance to demo these cd players,
Bryston bcd-1
exposure mcx
plinius cd-101
ayon cd-1s
bel canto pl-1a
acustic arts integrated cd player
jadis senfonia
Ayon is a valve cd player and has a very different sound. Exposure is very good cd player, bryston is a bargain for it's price...
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I use Musical Fidelity A5 CD but strangely enough i use it as transport and use the X-DAC v.3 instead as DAC and it sounds nice.Comment
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Halllo,
for a great ampli like Classe a great player like DCS Puccini. :T
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I don't own a Classé amp but I support Joawen in his use of an external DAC. I use an LFD DAC3 and it's lovely.
Who knows, one day I might be lucky enough to use it in combination with a Classé amp!
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Today I listened MBL cd players. 1431 in my range and it sounds good. I think I will start my home demo with Ayon and MBL 1431. They are cheaper than the others. If I am lucky and one of it blends well.
Also today I listened MBL 1622 SACD Transport and DA-C 1611F. These are the best combo I have ever listened. I think they are better then famous sacrlettis. If you can find a chance for listening, better use it
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How much do you want to spend on a CD player?
I went out with every intention of purchasing the Classe CDP300 but after listening to others I decided to take another route and get a dedicated CD player and a dedicated DVD player. I listen primarily to two channel so wanted a CD player that was designed to do that very well. After listening to what seemed like over 100, and comparing prices, my evaluation led to the Cambridge Audio 840C.
I just could not justify spending more as I could not hear enough difference between the CA and the Classe CDP100, CDP300 , Arcam FMJ or the Musical Fidelity. There was one CD player that I did hear a difference but my set-up would not allow it and that was the Audio Research Reference CD7 player (Now CD8). Unfortunately it was a bit much and also was a top loader so it was more or less deferred until I can come up with a plan to make it fit in my space.
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I'm listening music using CDP-102 which I found to be very balanced sounding player. Let me put it this way... On scale from 1-5 it does everything for 4 rather then 5, but then again it makes it candidate for long time companion.Originally posted by altanpsx
On US or Canada SH market, it's absolute bargain.Last edited by Aquarius; 03 April 2009, 11:47 Friday.Comment
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I am in Europe, and Classe is a very expensive equipment here. Also there are lots of other high end brands here for the same money. cdp-102 is a very good cd player, but like I said for the money, you have other very good options. I like to change and improve what cap-2100 brought to my system. cdp-102 will not an improvement imo. But a valve cdp like cd7 as mentioned, or Acustic Arts transport and Tube dac, may change the whole attiude of the system and may imrpove it. Maybe the whole system may sound like more analog who knows. Maybe I am running after a dream. But I will try and demoed as much as I can.Comment
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CDP-10 Into SSP-800 via Coax (nt)
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At the end I bought Eae Acute Cd player, and also changed stock tubes with NOS Siemens. Now I have the advantages of both tube and solid state. I highly recommend a demo.....Comment
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Hi,
And if I go with my PC (maybe Apple?!?), a separate Dac 8like cambridge Dac or Top HEnd Médéa,??) to listen misic?
The CD is dead?
I prefer have a player, normal player, but in the last time the product like Sonos, Mac Mini, Naim, Linn... they go versus a complety digital "gear"...
no more a Great CD player (Classe, McIntosh, DCS Puccini, Edge, Sonn,...)
I really the time to sell all the players that we have at home? :cry: 8O
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Hi everybody. I use a Classe CDP 100 and that's my digital CD unit to recommend you. It's really wonderful.
Regards.Comment
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Atm I'm using benchmark dac1 usb......but I'm thinking on moving to weiss minervaComment
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I admit as european: Classe players are crazy expensive. Equally ranked players are easily thousands cheaper.
Lets all complain........Comment
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I use an Esoteric X-03. A supremely good player.Vincent.
I don't want the world. I just want your half.Comment
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If you are using the cd player as a transport and have it feeding into the ssp 800, does it matter whether the transport is a cheap cd player or a top of the range player?Comment
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Transport
Shakespeare, that is a good question. From the Q&A with Classe posted in this form and from what I understand, the SSP-800 goes to extraordinary lengths to make sure the incoming signal is clocked correctly. This should mean that the transport makes no difference.
I can tell you the difference between the CDP-10 and the Sony PS3 used as a transport is ZERO. Of course, you have to set options on the PS3 so it doesn't do anything with the signal. Once I did that, I can hear no difference.
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I can honestly say, that I heard no appreciable difference between using a CDP-300 ($7000) as a transport and an $800 Mac Mini (used as a music server) when connected to the SSP-800. And I spent several days comparing the two. Even though the CDP-300 was only a few months old when I did the comparison, I sold it off once I realized that the Mac Mini sounded just as good.Originally posted by ShakespeareComment
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I have been advised that I will hear a difference between using my ps3 and a classe cd player even if they are both connected to my ssp 800 via a digital link. Is this theoretically possible? if so how so? Can a good digital player extract more ones and zeros or send a signal with less jitter?Comment
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most likely what you will hear is what you want to hear. :WOriginally posted by ShakespeareI'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...Comment
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DIGITAL 0=0 and 1=1 that's the theory glad to hear :TOriginally posted by AV-OCDFarming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. EisenhowerComment
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So from what you guys say, there is no difference. Perhaps I should spend my hard earned money on something else instead?Comment
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I like my sonos better than the ps3 as an interface... and the itouch/iphone can be used as a controller, which is cheaper than the sonos branded controller.Originally posted by ShakespeareI'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...Comment
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In (a) theory everything works perfect....
In reality it's quite a different story!
That said, when it comes to digital, sound difference doesnt follow the price difference step by step :-)Comment
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I use an Esoteric X-05 which sounds fantastic which is balanced in a true differential mode (dual mono) using two dacs per channel for a total of 4 which blows away my previous Marantz SA14 SACD player. Great build quality and a fantastic transport VRDS made by them.Greg Gale
Main System:
802 D2
Classe CA2300
Ayre K5XEMP
Graham Slee Reflex M
Esoteric X-05 SACD
VPI Classic 3
Dynavector X20x2
Oppo BDP 95
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Higher jitter in the transport can affect sound quality to some DACs, but it is my experience that the SSP-800 is very good at rejecting jitter, which levels the playing field considerably.Originally posted by ShakespeareComment
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So if you have some money to spend and you already own an ssp 800 and a ps3, would you spend the spare cash on a classe transport?Comment
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Maybe there's a quality difference between a transport..... ?
There are huge differents between a standard transport and a excellent transport.Last edited by Blue-Eyes; 26 May 2009, 02:48 Tuesday.------------------------------------------------------
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I didOriginally posted by Shakespeare
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PS3 vs. Classe Transport
Shakespeare, based on what I hear, I would not purchase a Classe Transport for audio quality. Of course, using the PS3 requires the TV to be on - so that is a consideration. But, for pure audio - I can't tell the difference between my CDP-10 and PS3 used as a transport. Rest of my system is a CA-301 and Hales Design Group Transcedence Eights.
There is a thread on this forum talking about how ridiculously low the jitter is with the SSP-800 DACs on both the coax and HDMI connection. Maybe that is why it sounds so good. ?
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