CAN Bus is Launched

[ChrisssB]

Just check out: what's new
It took me just 2 mins to do the firmware upgrades, plug in a cat 5 cable and voila! the user friendliness of my cp-500 & ca -2200 is out of this world!!!
Now pressing stand by button on the remote turns on/off both pre & amp. Also now you can have info about current & temp ( & other events) for you amp
We all bought our classe equip for their sonic abilities and bulletproof constraction but I think we should thank classe for adding features that make these products better & better! As you understand I am a very happy customer.

PS I coundt find anywhere a can bus terminator & therefore I didnt use one, but everything works great.

[Birdy]

Just check out: what's new
It took me just 2 mins to do the firmware upgrades, plug in a cat 5 cable and voila! the user friendliness of my cp-500 & ca -2200 is out of this world!!!
Now pressing stand by button on the remote turns on/off both pre & amp. Also now you can have info about current & temp ( & other events) for you amp
We all bought our classe equip for their sonic abilities and bulletproof constraction but I think we should thank classe for adding features that make these products better & better! As you understand I am a very happy customer.

PS I coundt find anywhere a can bus terminator & therefore I didnt use one, but everything works great.

Beeing a big fan of Classé myself I honnestly don't undertsand all the fuzz about this CANbus thing.

Ok, you can monitor the t_° of the amp, cool. 8)

One button on or off was already available via F function keys & trigger.

This and all the rest of the stuffes, fi screen colors, automatic selection of source when playing a cd or dvd etc... were already available a looooong time ago on other brands.... :B

I had an onkyo system more than 5 years ago with one button on/off and also with automatic selection of the source; also you could program macros fi 1 button would spin-up DVD, seletect DVD source on the amp, select the surround mode, turn-on TV and put it on correct channel.... all this with one button.... :rofl:

Also I believe Denon with it's denon link accomplishes something similar....

So, do I miss something?
Where is the miracle of technology or user friendly???

And I repeat I love my Classé gear!!!! :P :P :P :P :P

Birdy

[ChrisssB]

Birdy: true my friend other companies had one button on/off etc... but....
none of the hi end companies that I'm aware off. Usually true hi end companies offer everything but user friendly equipment.
So Thats a 1st for classe IMO.

"One button on or off was already available via F function keys & trigger" I also think that it aint the same usinf F keys and trigger, its simpler now therefore better.

Also monitoring events (current, temp etc.) is not only food for our curiosity but in case that a unit might need repair technicians need not to dig around but have a "log" in their hands so to see what went wrong and where to start :-)

So the true miracle IMO is a hi end company who sells equipment that dosent force you to take voodoo lessons to make them work the way you want :-)

[Birdy]

Birdy: true my friend other companies had one button on/off etc... but....
none of the hi end companies that I'm aware off. Usually true hi end companies offer everything but user friendly equipment.
So Thats a 1st for classe IMO.

"One button on or off was already available via F function keys & trigger" I also think that it aint the same usinf F keys and trigger, its simpler now therefore better.

Also monitoring events (current, temp etc.) is not only food for our curiosity but in case that a unit might need repair technicians need not to dig around but have a "log" in their hands so to see what went wrong and where to start :-)

So the true miracle IMO is a hi end company who sells equipment that dosent force you to take voodoo lessons to make them work the way you want :-)

Ok I see your point. 8) 8) 8)

[hifiguymi]

Also I believe Denon with it's denon link accomplishes something similar....

I know this is off topic but for the record the Denon Link is just for passing digital audio with a balanced connection and using only one digital clock. The current version will carry PCM, DD, dts, MLP (for DVD-Audio), and DSD (for SACD) all through a cat5 patch cable. All of the bass management is handled by the processor and not in the player. Hopefully HDMI1.3 will do the same for everybody.

Eric

[Glen B]

Birdy: true my friend other companies had one button on/off etc... but....
none of the hi end companies that I'm aware off. Usually true hi end companies offer everything but user friendly equipment.
So Thats a 1st for classe IMO.

That's probably because the other high-end companies concentrate on putting the dollars into sonics as opposed to bells and whistles. A couple of the Delta features like overvoltage shutdown and ability to customize volume control behavior are useful, but I don't know about the other stuff. Its just adding a lot of extra cost for stuff that not everyone may want or need. I don't need my amp telling me what the line voltage or temperature is. I've gotten by the last 38 years without these features and never wished for them. BTW, I achieve the same one-button in/out of standby feature with macros programmed into my Philips Pronto TSU7500 remote.

[ChrisssB]

Glen B:
IMO most hi end companies are scared to put anything "extra" to their products so not to "disturb" the holy signal. Well Classe’s done it and the signal is as good as it gets.
As for the need of these extra stuff it’s true that not everyone needs or even want them but they don’t get in your way 2. I’m familiar with some hi-end companies –mostly European- (friends systems) and while they cost a LOT more their sound IMO is not better. Different yes (It’s just a matter of taste) but on the same time their prices make Classes look like a bargain. 

Now, if some1 offered me classe products at a fraction of the cost without these extra it would be tempting, I admit! :-)

[RebelMan]

That's probably because the other high-end companies concentrate on putting the dollars into sonics as opposed to bells and whistles. A couple of the Delta features like overvoltage shutdown and ability to customize volume control behavior are useful, but I don't know about the other stuff. Its just adding a lot of extra cost for stuff that not everyone may want or need.

It may add to the cost but it needn't have to with a little forward thinking in the initial design.

Conventional UI designs can incur additional expense with the extra knobs, switches and buttons needed to access the extra features. But the Delta Series is not a conventional design. Not only does the Delta Series software driven menuing system lend itself for intuitive interaction it facilitates the means to provide future improvements that would otherwise be too difficult to implement without a complete redesign of the system.

I am sure you would welcome the option to peer inside your amplifier's uptime if you could. Prior to the Delta Series this would be impossible without making structural changes to the output device. The cost to unlock this feature in software would be nothing more than a little time consumed by the programer to code it into the UI. This objective was the intent by the Classe' Design Team from the outset when they employed a software based system. That is to provide the means for adding feature enhancements while incurring the least expense in the process and without compromising the audio signal.

The Delta Series is forward thinking in action. :B

[Glen B]

Now, if some1 offered me classe products at a fraction of the cost without these extra it would be tempting, I admit! :-)

Precisely. The infrastructure required to accommodate even a software driven system must cost something. Remove that "something" and you get the same sonic performance at a fraction of the cost.

[hifiguymi]

That's probably because the other high-end companies concentrate on putting the dollars into sonics as opposed to bells and whistles. A couple of the Delta features like overvoltage shutdown and ability to customize volume control behavior are useful, but I don't know about the other stuff. Its just adding a lot of extra cost for stuff that not everyone may want or need. I don't need my amp telling me what the line voltage or temperature is. I've gotten by the last 38 years without these features and never wished for them. BTW, I achieve the same one-button in/out of standby feature with macros programmed into my Philips Pronto TSU7500 remote.

Most high-end companies have this stuff in their products already. Most modern day amps have sophisticated power supplies that monitor incoming voltage and thermostats on the heat sinks that shut the amp off in case of excessive heat. Classe just spends a little time and lets the customer see them. I doubt it adds little if any to the cost and I think it's great. :T

As far as the on and off is concerned, if there is a trigger there adding it to the CANBUS is very simple. It also allows the LED's on the amp to be dimmed with the rest of the system. I think most people would want that instead of have a small handful of LED's staring back at them in a darkened room.

Eric

[RebelMan]

Precisely. The infrastructure required to accommodate even a software driven system must cost something. Remove that "something" and you get the same sonic performance at a fraction of the cost.

Rarely does a simplistic high-end design save the consumer any expense. Usually the cost is higher. Quite often the manufacturer justifies the higher price because of the "superior" components used in the build.

One such manufacturer that immediately comes to mind is Ayre. When I popped the top off the K-5xe pre-amplifier and V-5xe power amplifier I was appalled of the dearth of working innards yet the combined price of $7500 was right in line with the cost of the state-of-the-art CP-500 and CA-2200 from Classé. With all the cost savings, a mere $1K, and supposed audio enhancing parts employed in the Ayre system I should have expected a far superior sounding product, but I didn't. On the contrary, I found it handicapped with the B&W pairing.

It is delusional to think that a feature loaded hifi component automatically precludes it from belonging to the elite group of reasonably affordable high-end audio.

[Andrew M Ward]

Rarely does a simplistic high-end design save the consumer any expense. Usually the cost is higher. Quite often the manufacturer justifies the higher price because of the "superior" components used in the build.

One such manufacturer that immediately comes to mind is Ayre. When I popped the top off the K-5xe pre-amplifier and V-5xe power amplifier I was appalled of the dearth of working innards yet the combined price of $7500 was right in line with the cost of the state-of-the-art CP-500 and CA-2200 from Classé. With all the cost savings, a mere $1K, and supposed audio enhancing parts employed in the Ayre system I should have expected a far superior sounding product, but I didn't. On the contrary, I found it handicapped with the B&W pairing.

It is delusional to think that a feature loaded hifi component automatically precludes it from belonging to the elite group of reasonably affordable high-end audio.

Yes,
It's interesting to look inside some "Hi-End" brands... Horrified is one word to explain my reaction (I will not name names) but it's a staggering list of Hi-End products out there that are spending very little inside...

I urge anybody (and everybody) to pop the top on a Classe' CDP-300 for example... pretty stunning - they've done a beautiful job...

The previous argument only stands up if these dinosaur hi-end companies really are putting the money inside... but I'm not seeing it...

Yet,
I urge anybody to open a Classe' unit... (it's marvelous)



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[ChrisssB]

Well IMO classe has a high price list but one (at least I do) can understand why (wonderfull sound, aesthetics, build, & functionality). Also the fact that they continue to improve the products that they've already sold, shows respect for their customers. Dont get me wrong I would have bought my cp-500 and ca-2200 anyway cause I love their sound, but its a good thing they keep improving them.
Some friends of mine do have other hi end stuff that are VERY (multiply classe prices with factors x5 to x8 ) expensive and the only explanation I have, is that these companies (I wont name names also) use a high price list only to create a statement product that makes the owner feel "only a few can have it & I'm one of them, so its good"
They do sound great but I feel that from a level on, the sound is always good & has more to do with personal taste. I could hardly justify 45.000 euros (about 61.400 us $) for a 2 channel amplifier* with less than 100 watts that limits the choice of speakers etc. Maybe my ears arent that good tho.

* But it glows nicely in the dark and helps heating the room in winter ;-)

[RebelMan]

I urge anybody (and everybody) to pop the top on a Classe' CDP-300 for example... pretty stunning - they've done a beautiful job...

Yet,
I urge anybody to open a Classe' unit... (it's marvelous)

Colloquially speaking, been there done that.

Classe' has paid meticulous attention to detail in every facet possible with their designs both inside and out. The equipment is stunning through and through. Exterior beauty is equally matched by interior beauty in these high performance devices. The feeling you get is similar to that which you get at a car show but on an A/V level.

How cool it would be if Classe' made an optional see-through acrylic cover for their equipment. I can only imagine the thought of a pair of CA-M400 sitting next to my 800D with their hoods open and the engines purring... Vroom... vroooom... :B

[ChrisssB]

How cool it would be if Classe' made an optional see-through acrylic cover for their equipment. I can only imagine the thought of a pair of CA-M400 sitting next to my 800D with their hoods open and the engines purring... Vroom... vroooom...

That'd be cool! Almost Porn-fi LOL!

[Birdy]

Okay I want to give it a try.

Question: my 202 is equipped with soft 1.0.6 may I jump immediately to 1.0.9 or do I have first to update to 1.0.7 then 1.0.9 ( and where the hell is 1.0.8??? :twisted: :twisted: :M :E )


Birdy

[RebelMan]

Birdy, get the latest and you'll have the greatest. No need to piecemeal the updates together, they are cumulative.

[Kobus]

James, where were you!!

Kobus

[RebelMan]

Hey Kobus, I was on vacation. Got back only a few days ago.

[Birdy]

Birdy, get the latest and you'll have the greatest. No need to piecemeal the updates together, they are cumulative.

Tks, Rebelman for the info.

I will give it a try very soon... :P

Birdy